andyp350

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This is the sole reason I won't be upgrading to the iPhone X. There are so many scenarios where I wouldn't be able to use FaceID where I currently use TouchID. In a car cradle, while my phone is laying flat on my desk, when I'm laying in bed and want to check a message/alarm etc on my bedside table. I'd end up having to type my passcode in so many throughout the day whereas TouchID is perfect to me. The only time I have to enter my passcode is when I restart my phone.
When using Apple Pay I have my phone authenticated and ready to go before it's even fully out of my pocket using TouchID. I believe FaceID requires you to get your phone out, look at it to authenticate and then and then interact again in order to load up your wallet, it'll be such a longer process.
It feels like such a massive step backwards and a real disappointment as I love everything else about the X but this is a deal breaker to me.

Edit: I have edited my post to say "whilst in a car cradle" to be more specific as many in here seem to think accusing me of dangerous driving is on topic. Obviously I don't use my phone while driving my car. I am talking about unlocking a phone docked in car whilst stationary for tasks such as starting/changing music and starting the sat nav.
 
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TheIgster

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This is the sole reason I won't be upgrading to the iPhone X. There are so many scenarios where I wouldn't be able to use FaceID where I currently use TouchID. Driving, while my phone is laying flat on my desk, when I'm laying in bed and want to check a message/alarm etc on my bedside table. I'd end up having to type my passcode in so many throughout the day whereas TouchID is perfect to me. The only time I have to enter my passcode is when I restart my phone.
When using Apple Pay I have my phone authenticated and ready to go before it's even fully out of my pocket using TouchID. I believe FaceID requires you to get your phone out, look at it to authenticate and then and then interact again in order to load up your wallet, it'll be such a longer process.
It feels like such a massive step backwards and a real disappointment as I love everything else about the X but this is a deal breaker to me.

You shouldn't be using your phone PERIOD, when driving.
 

Hankster

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Apple, these days, cares more about features than usability. That's the difference from now and when Jobs was running it. His focus was making devices USABLE, not making features usable. Apple wants a full screen front, so they removed the button to do it. In reality they made the iPhone harder to use.
 

andyp350

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You shouldn't be using your phone PERIOD, when driving.
I unlock the phone to change playlists/radio stations, skip tracks etc if I'm stationary. Yes it's probably against the rules but in reality it's perfectly safe and takes a split second and no different from interaction with a Bluetooth handsfree to start/end a call.
 
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jamesarm97

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Same here, I will be in bed listening to pandora and my phone will buzz on the night stand so I pick it up and can easily unlock before it is even in front of my face. I usually just glance over at it (same if it is on the desk). I hope the face id works at a pretty good angle.
 

TheIgster

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I unlock the phone to change playlists/radio stations, skip tracks etc if I'm stationary at traffic lights etc. Yes it's against the rules but in reality it's perfectly safe and takes a split second and no different from interaction with a Bluetooth handsfree to start/end a call.

You shouldn't be using your phone PERIOD, when driving.
 

cj31016

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Its cumbersome.

I agree, based off what I've seen, it looks cumbersome. I use Guided Access all the time to prevent my kids from getting into crap they shouldn't. No more triple-click to lock the phone conveniently. Or what about the fact that many of us unlock our devices before we even look at them? It's just muscle memory. I know these are all first world probs, but I'm really hoping they have the iPhone X in the Apple Stores to play with before Oct 27, as I'm not sure I'm going to pick one up at this point.
 
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jamesrick80

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One hands-on reviewer on YouTube had issues with face ID. This is like beta hardware until next year.
 

Starfyre

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This is the sole reason I won't be upgrading to the iPhone X. There are so many scenarios where I wouldn't be able to use FaceID where I currently use TouchID. Driving, while my phone is laying flat on my desk, when I'm laying in bed and want to check a message/alarm etc on my bedside table. I'd end up having to type my passcode in so many throughout the day whereas TouchID is perfect to me. The only time I have to enter my passcode is when I restart my phone.
When using Apple Pay I have my phone authenticated and ready to go before it's even fully out of my pocket using TouchID. I believe FaceID requires you to get your phone out, look at it to authenticate and then and then interact again in order to load up your wallet, it'll be such a longer process.
It feels like such a massive step backwards and a real disappointment as I love everything else about the X but this is a deal breaker to me.

You speak my mind, but even still without TouchID compared with an iPhone 6.. it is the best iphone in the history of iPhones... unless I switch to a Galaxy or Google Pixel or something.
 

Starfyre

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Apple knows its bad, technical issues in integrating, they failed, tried to make the best of it. Period. Wait till next year's iPhone XT. (T for TouchID).
 

bigscotal

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This is the sole reason I won't be upgrading to the iPhone X. There are so many scenarios where I wouldn't be able to use FaceID where I currently use TouchID. Driving, while my phone is laying flat on my desk, when I'm laying in bed and want to check a message/alarm etc on my bedside table. I'd end up having to type my passcode in so many throughout the day whereas TouchID is perfect to me. The only time I have to enter my passcode is when I restart my phone.
When using Apple Pay I have my phone authenticated and ready to go before it's even fully out of my pocket using TouchID. I believe FaceID requires you to get your phone out, look at it to authenticate and then and then interact again in order to load up your wallet, it'll be such a longer process.
It feels like such a massive step backwards and a real disappointment as I love everything else about the X but this is a deal breaker to me.

Pretty much agree with most of this. What you say about the handset lying on your desk at work, and having to key in your PIN to unlock it, that seems like a real issue to me.

If I really really liked the X I would be tempted to push the boat out and go for it, but the face recognition idea puts me right off.
 
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utahman130

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One thing I'm confused about with Face ID is when it's dark, does the light on the notch turn on and illuminate your face, or does the IR sensor take care of it without turning on the light?
 

cynics

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Many thought the same thing about TouchID. We will all need to use it ourselves so we can form real world opinions.

For example the OP mentioned a bunch of scenarios where I just use "Hey Siri".

Driving, "Hey Siri read messages", "Hey Siri Call xxxx", "Hey Siri give me directions to....." etc etc.

In the office, there are times that "Hey Siri" maybe inappropriate however in those situations you "generally" want to look at your phone anyway. And if you are raising your phone to see it, it can see you.

On the nightstand. Again use "Hey Siri" or if you want to see something on the screen it will see you.

I'm being bit of an apologist because I was critical of TouchID and they proved me wrong. So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt this time....at least until I use it and prove them wrong.
 

Ryan1524

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If FaceID works so fast that it's not even noticeable, then it's almost like not even having an authentication screen.

This is better. Invisible technology.
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One thing I'm confused about with Face ID is when it's dark, does the light on the notch turn on and illuminate your face, or does the IR sensor take care of it without turning on the light?

It has an IR light, and the dot projector. It's using non-visible spectrum of light to guide the process.
 

thadoggfather

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I think they do know this, the question is do they care? or will it hurt their sales this go round?
 
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