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I was painting my flat last week, and my fingers where covered most of the time or ruined after scrubbing them clean afterwards, making getting into my phone impossible using Touch ID. So for builders and tradesmen with constant bad fingerprints, Face ID is ideal!
 
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I really agree with the post above about the original design model being both, but they couldn't do both, so a decision was made; (I'll bet there was a lot of in-fighting about it). I also think the X stands for X-Beta.

As much as I want to get the X, cuz it's pretty cool, and I might still; (like a dummy beta tester), I NEED Touch ID. Geesh WTF is going on? 😀
 
This is the second post I've read in the last 10 minutes where the poster is complaining about accessing their phone while driving lol.
Well for arguments sake can I change "driving" to "whilst in a car cradle/dock". People spend time sat in their cars (with the ignition off) with their phone sat in the cradle, waiting to pick kids up from school, waiting to meet people etc. FaceID clearly won't work in this scenario where TouchID does. That is what I am trying to spark a discussion about, not whether you think I am using my phone illegally whilst driving.
 
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Well for arguments sake can I change "driving" to "whilst in a car cradle/dock". People spend time sat in their cars (with the ignition off) with their phone sat in the cradle, waiting to pick kids up from school, waiting to meet people etc. FaceID clearly won't work in this scenario where TouchID does. That is what I am trying to spark a discussion about, not whether you think I am using my phone illegally whilst driving.

Then what's the big deal? It will be the same as you use it every other time. Your sitting stationary so where's the problem?
 
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Well for arguments sake can I change "driving" to "whilst in a car cradle/dock". People spend time sat in their cars (with the ignition off) with their phone sat in the cradle, waiting to pick kids up from school, waiting to meet people etc. FaceID clearly won't work in this scenario where TouchID does. That is what I am trying to spark a discussion about, not whether you think I am using my phone illegally whilst driving.
Yes it will, as long as the angle is near the screen, per Apple's keynote today.
 
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Let me guess. We all get used to it and stop complaining.

Just like the 4" form factor. Just like the 5.5" form factor. Just like Touch ID. Just like the power button moving to the right side. Just like the headphone jack moving to the bottom of the phone, and then subsequently disappearing. Just like having to use a dongle to listen to music.
 
Let me guess. We all get used to it and stop complaining.

Just like the 4" form factor. Just like the 5.5" form factor. Just like Touch ID. Just like the power button moving to the right side. Just like the headphone jack moving to the bottom of the phone, and then subsequently disappearing. Just like having to use a dongle to listen to music.
Likely.
 
Then what's the big deal? It will be the same as you use it every other time. Your sitting stationary so where's the problem?
I haven't used FaceID yet, i don't know if it will work in that scenario or not. My phone doesn't point at my face when I'm sat in my car seat i'd say I'm usually at least at a 45 degree angle to the screen. If that will work brilliant, if not its a pain.
 
Apple knows its bad, technical issues in integrating, they failed, tried to make the best of it. Period. Wait till next year's iPhone XT. (T for TouchID).
Guys, as much as I want it to return, I cant see touch ID returning again to the phone. They removed the entire concept of the home button from IOS 11 - do you think they will bring it back for touch ID? Have they EVER brought back a feature out of regret? It's not gonna happen. Face ID will be fine, let's have a little faith in Apple.
 
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Let me guess. We all get used to it and stop complaining.

Just like the 4" form factor. Just like the 5.5" form factor. Just like Touch ID. Just like the power button moving to the right side. Just like the headphone jack moving to the bottom of the phone, and then subsequently disappearing. Just like having to use a dongle to listen to music.
Obviously I'm not narcissistic enough to think the aimed solely at me. But I defended and embraced every single one of the things you just listed from the moment they were announced at their respective Keynotes. This is the first time I feel there is a huge flaw in the new phone that is big enough to stop me adopting at release. I hope I'm wrong and its better than I think its going to be but I'm not prepared to splash out a grand on the hope that i'll 'get used to it'.
 
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Many thought the same thing about TouchID. We will all need to use it ourselves so we can form real world opinions.

For example the OP mentioned a bunch of scenarios where I just use "Hey Siri".

Driving, "Hey Siri read messages", "Hey Siri Call xxxx", "Hey Siri give me directions to....." etc etc.

In the office, there are times that "Hey Siri" maybe inappropriate however in those situations you "generally" want to look at your phone anyway. And if you are raising your phone to see it, it can see you.

On the nightstand. Again use "Hey Siri" or if you want to see something on the screen it will see you.

I'm being bit of an apologist because I was critical of TouchID and they proved me wrong. So I'll give them the benefit of the doubt this time....at least until I use it and prove them wrong.
 
I haven't used FaceID yet, i don't know if it will work in that scenario or not. My phone doesn't point at my face when I'm sat in my car seat i'd say I'm usually at least at a 45 degree angle to the screen. If that will work brilliant, if not its a pain.
It works fine at that angle (as long as your looking at the phone) on my pos galaxy s8 plus, so u imagine apples made sure it works here.
 
I live in WA where they passed a no hands on cell phones law that will be reported to your insurance if they catch you with it in your hand. you are allowed single touch/swipe.

I have mine mounted on my dash and there are so many times that siri has blown me off saying I have to unlock my phone first. face id will officially kill my one finger touch to bypass it and get her to do what I told her to do.
 
It works fine at that angle (as long as your looking at the phone) on my pos galaxy s8 plus, so u imagine apples made sure it works here.
Well thats something at least. I'm not here to bash it for the sake of complaining. If its going to be fine in some of the scenarios I am concerned about then that is great news. I think the biggest thing for me at the moment is how much longer/fiddly Apple Pay looks to be using FaceID. I use Apple Pay so much nowadays and I don't feel prepared to give up TouchID.
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touch id wasn't perfect either, I think you are being a bit nitpicky TC
It's as close to perfect (for me) as I could ever expect something to be. The only minor drawback is wet hands but I hardly ever find myself in that scenario. To me TouchID (especially the 2nd generation sensor) is the single best thing Apple have done since Steve Jobs passed. It's one of the only new features that has really changed the way I use my phone and what I can do with it (Apple Pay) on a daily basis.
 
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Well thats something at least. I'm not here to bash it for the sake of complaining. If its going to be fine in some of the scenarios I am concerned about then that is great news. I think the biggest thing for me at the moment is how much longer/fiddly Apple Pay looks to be using FaceID. I use Apple Pay so much nowadays and I don't feel prepared to give up TouchID.
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It's as close to perfect (for me) as I could ever expect something to be. The only minor drawback is wet hands but I hardly ever find myself in that scenario. To me TouchID (especially the 2nd generation sensor) is the single best thing Apple have done since Steve Jobs passed. It's one of the only new features that has really changed the way I use my phone on and what I can do with it (Apple Pay) on a daily basis.

What grinds my gears is, why hasn't apple introduced something like Samsung pay into apple pay yet? By far the coolest thing about this phone is the ability to pay with it almost anywhere. Apple pay is still limited around me, so it's virtually useless.
 
What grinds my gears is, why hasn't apple introduced something like Samsung pay into apple pay yet? By far the coolest thing about this phone is the ability to pay with it almost anywhere. Apple pay is still limited around me, so it's virtually useless.
Forgive my ignorance but where can Samsung pay be used where Apple Pay can't? Here in the UK Apple Pay works on any contactless terminal, so as long as the shop offers contactless payments then Apple Pay works, even if they don't specifically list it as a payment option.
 
It's not better. It pretty much makes Apple Pay much more cumbersome and everyday use a bit less convenient.

People will make excuses for Apple and claim that it's just as good, but I bet when Apple figures out how to embed Touch ID under the screen, they'll say it's the best new feature ever.
 
Forgive my ignorance but where can Samsung pay be used where Apple Pay can't? Here in the UK Apple Pay works on any contactless terminal, so as long as the shop offers contactless payments then Apple Pay works, even if they don't specifically list it as a payment option.
You can use Samsung pay even at places that don't offer contactless payment. Just the old regular sliders. Puts off a magnetic field similar to the magnetic strip of a credit card.
 
Forgive my ignorance but where can Samsung pay be used where Apple Pay can't? Here in the UK Apple Pay works on any contactless terminal, so as long as the shop offers contactless payments then Apple Pay works, even if they don't specifically list it as a payment option.

Samsung Pay is compatible with regular magnetic strip cards, not just NFC cards. Since many retailers have been slow to adopt NFC, it offers contactless payments at a much larger number of retailers.
 
You can use Samsung pay even at places that don't offer contactless payment. Just the old regular sliders. Puts off a magnetic field similar to the magnetic strip of a credit card.
Ah ok. I'm not sure that's the same scenario over here. We either have contactless and/or chip and pin. I'm pretty sure people can't use their androids on a standard chip and pin that doesn't take contactless over here.
 
You can use Samsung pay even at places that don't offer contactless payment. Just the old regular sliders. Puts off a magnetic field similar to the magnetic strip of a credit card.
In Europe nobody uses that anymore.
Almost every single terminal, is contactless, even the cash machines.

The problem is that a lot of banks still don’t support Apple Pay but the infrastructure is already there, no need to come back to old technology.
 
I was painting my flat last week, and my fingers where covered most of the time or ruined after scrubbing them clean afterwards, making getting into my phone impossible using Touch ID. So for builders and tradesmen with constant bad fingerprints, Face ID is ideal!

No one is saying the phone shouldn't have it. But what I'm saying is it should also have had touchID. They just couldn't do it. And they didn't want to do it on the back.

Next year the flagship will have it, and that's why I'm passing on the X. Just my opinions though. I'm bummed
 
No one is saying the phone shouldn't have it. But what I'm saying is it should also have had touchID. They just couldn't do it. And they didn't want to do it on the back.

Next year the flagship will have it, and that's why I'm passing on the X. Just my opinions though. I'm bummed
Sure, I can see those points. Next year might be interesting if both offered. 🙂
 
I don't really see how FaceID makes Apple Pay much more cumbersome. You reach into your pocket. As your slipping your phone out, you double tap the side button, which prompts Apple Pay to come up. You look at your phone for a split second and then put it on the reader and pay. Is that really much more difficult than double-tapping TouchID?
 
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