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There is no need for you to buy one. Since you are from Sweden, you have laws covering you back in case it fails within reasonable amount of time (~1-3 years).

Maybe so, but isn't that just a recommendation and the companies don't actually have to carry it out?
Besides, must be allot of more hassle and putting allot of time into it, arguing with the company.
Can as well work and make a few extra bux in that case and put that on the extra warrenty.
Not sure if anyone have had a case with Apple using their own countries law when not having Apple Care with a good outcome and no hassle.
 
Maybe so, but isn't that just a recommendation and the companies don't actually have to carry it out?
Besides, must be allot of more hassle and putting allot of time into it, arguing with the company.
Can as well work and make a few extra bux in that case and put that on the extra warrenty.
Not sure if anyone have had a case with Apple using their own countries law when not having Apple Care with a good outcome and no hassle.

It's a recommendation but in most cases it works. You can always ask a consumer protection official to contact them (it's free) if they refuse to fix anything. While the officials have no authority to force them to fix it, if they say it should be fixed, their word will be quite hefty in the court of law.

Like you said in your previous post, AppleCare costs 20% of the price of your computer. Do you think the likelihood of failure is that big? And the likelihood that the law doesn't cover your ass?

The laws are there for a reason, don't overlook them. I have used them with success several times, although never with Apple.
 
Maybe so, but isn't that just a recommendation and the companies don't actually have to carry it out?
Besides, must be allot of more hassle and putting allot of time into it, arguing with the company.
Can as well work and make a few extra bux in that case and put that on the extra warrenty.
Not sure if anyone have had a case with Apple using their own countries law when not having Apple Care with a good outcome and no hassle.

You are absolutely right. The barrack room lawyers are great at quoting these acts. Take the trouble to read them and their associated "fine print". They are peppered with provisos and "subject to this that and the other"! "A reasonable amount of time" can mean nothing.

For what it is, AppleCare is not expensive and, when needed, saves time and expense.
 
You are absolutely right. The barrack room lawyers are great at quoting these acts. Take the trouble to read them and their associated "fine print". They are peppered with provisos and "subject to this that and the other"! "A reasonable amount of time" can mean nothing.

For what it is, AppleCare is not expensive and, when needed, saves time and expense.

I have read all the fine prints. They still state that the manufacturer is responsible to guarantee a reasonable lifespan for their product and in case the product does not meet that lifespan, they are obligated to fix it. For computers, our consumer protection bureau has stated that two years is the minimum lifespan.

If you don't care about money at all, it takes even less time to buy a new computer since it can take weeks for Apple to fix the computer.
 
Maybe because their products last longer than other MFG of desktop's and notebooks. I have an early 2009 uMB which is still getting 4 hours on a single charge and is not 2.5 years old, I did not buy the Applecare and mine cost $1,500 at the time.

The same can be said about Car MFG's what's with 3 Year 36000 Miles on a vehicle that cost $20 thousand or more?

I think they make a rock solid product and a 1 year is worth the price, if the price were to say go up 300-400 more for a 2-3 year I wouldn't buy it then as I would rather take care of my product and pay less.
 
For computers, our consumer protection bureau has stated that two years is the minimum lifespan.

That'e exactly what I mean! They can state it but the can't guarantee it - it can always be contested. If you give it a moments thought, it's obvious. Electronic equipment (like computers) consist of hundreds of individual components such as resistors, capacitors, diodes etc, not including motors, plugs, sockets etc etc. They can all fail - from day one.

you don't care about money at all, it takes even less time to buy a new computer since it can take weeks for Apple to fix the computer.

I had a new logic board fitted in an iMac in less then 36 hours - free of charge.
 
It's a recommendation but in most cases it works.
I have used them with success several times, although never with Apple.

True, just think I read somewhere that Apple does not "like" it.
And it's kinda lame of Apple then to even offer a 2 year extended Apple Care in the Swedish Apple Store.
Just another way to trick people that aren't that into the law out of a few more bux, but I guess it's just business like other companies.

For what it is, AppleCare is not expensive and, when needed, saves time and expense.

If $0 = $550 then yes, it's not expensive.
"We" are not used to pay for something that's normally for free.


I'll probably end up buying it anyways just like most people though... *makes a angry face and tightens fist*
 
The 1-year warranty sticks out on a premium product. Apple, though, isn't suffering from buyer rejection from this, they make money on Apple Care and they don't have to upgrade "obsolete" equipment with new upgrades.

After all, most of the small devices are not repairable and are upgraded every year anyway, so any exchange is almost always an upgrade after a year or so.
 
That'e exactly what I mean! They can state it but the can't guarantee it - it can always be contested. If you give it a moments thought, it's obvious. Electronic equipment (like computers) consist of hundreds of individual components such as resistors, capacitors, diodes etc, not including motors, plugs, sockets etc etc. They can all fail - from day one.

How is this relevant? Yes, they can fail, but that is the reason why the manufacturer has the responsibility to guarantee a reasonable lifespan. If they fail within short period of time (eg. 2 years), that means there must be a defect as it's designed to last longer, or at least it is expected to last longer.

Apple can't say "hey, this thing has this and this many transistors, you can't expect it to last longer than X years". That would be the same as saying that we designed it to be crap.

I had a new logic board fitted in an iMac in less then 36 hours - free of charge.

I said can. I can dig up stories where it has taken weeks if that is what you want. It can take weeks, which was my point. You were lucky but that doesn't mean that it's the same for everyone.

True, just think I read somewhere that Apple does not "like" it.
And it's kinda lame of Apple then to even offer a 2 year extended Apple Care in the Swedish Apple Store.
Just another way to trick people that aren't that into the law out of a few more bux, but I guess it's just business like other companies.

No manufacturer likes it but that doesn't mean they don't have to respect the law. Besides, we don't have Apple Stores here in Scandinavia so you will be dealing with authorized resellers (which means the policies can vary).

It's not my money you are spending but I'm not going to be fooled by extended warranties anymore.
 
No manufacturer likes it but that doesn't mean they don't have to respect the law. Besides, we don't have Apple Stores here in Scandinavia so you will be dealing with authorized resellers (which means the policies can vary).

It's not my money you are spending but I'm not going to be fooled by extended warranties anymore.

It's why I'm holding up on the 2 extended years of warranty, haven't quite decided yet if I will be getting it.
I bought my iMac via the Apple Store, if that makes any difference, I've read that some authorized resellers make a hassle if one want to return a product several times without a really good reason for instance within the 14 days of purchase.
Looks like we will be getting an Apple Store in Stockholm.
 
I like the fact that AppleCare is optional. As someone who upgrades computers and electronics regularly, I typically skip the extended warranties. If Apple instituted a long-term warranty like AppleCare as included, it would most certainly raise the price of their products. Some countries require a longer warranty by law, and Apple's products are more expensive in those places as a result.

The other important thing to point out is that most electronics/computer manufacturers offer a 1 year warranty as standard. The difference with an Apple product is that you can actually get it serviced conveniently, at least in the US.

If I buy a PC laptop from some random chain store, they could include a ten year warranty if they wanted to--most people will never use it. There's no retail store to go to for service, hotline numbers are rarely 24 hours, hold times are generally very long and the return/exchange processes are painfully inconvenient.

I'm happy with a 1 year warranty that's actually usable. If I were to decide I love an Apple product so much that I want to keep it longer than that, then I have the option to purchase AppleCare. Seems like a good setup to me.
 
Spent £1600 on a MBP in 2008, it failed 18months later, no apple care, i took it into an apple store with a letter of intent under the sale of goods act 1984 , basically stateing that a peice of kit sold as "PRO" should be expected to last longer than 3years, let alone 18months (it was a logic board failure, had it been the harddisk, ram, superdrive or even a USB port i would not have had an issue with these being within the realm of a reasonable to expect failure, but a complete, system wide death in under 3 years in unacceptable given i have £250 notebooks that have been running for over a decade with no failures from another manufacturer)

Apples products always skirt the thermal and technological limits of the hardware, often with NO room for any slight varience other than the lab in which they were designed to run in,

Given a thermal limit of 45-65 degrees for a harddisk , apple will run it in an encloser that always skirts the 65 point, thus reducing the lifespan of the drive, all to have the case look better (iMac HDD being SLAP in the centre rather than at an edge where it could be cooled simply and be a snap to make it user replaceable)

if i cant replace the "user replaceable" parts of a computer myself, such as the HDD as a minimum, then i expect a 3 year warrenty AS MINIMUM out of the box, and a lifetime labour warrenty on replacing the HDD after that 3 year period, look at the apple recal on drives its having now, look at the GPU issue on the previous gen macbook pros, the battery issues on the macbook pros, the overheating and death of the PSUs in the 1st gen timecapsules, the overheating and self destruction of some iphone 3G phones, Yellowing screen issues on iDevices, failing screens on iMacs,

Mac products are sold under the auspices of being more reliable than other vendors equipment by the mac faithfull, i love my mac products, but they are far far less reliable than anyother computer system i have used in the last 30 years, my old Oric 1, spectrum, amstrad 6128, amiga, and several old PCs and Laptops still run as well today as they did back then, and have been treated to far worse than my modern apple products, so far the only apple product i have had, or i have know of any of my friends from having that has not had to be replaced or repaired at least once within 18months is my Apple TV and one of my friends 2nd gen iPod shuffles,

List of replacements myself and 4 friends have been and suffered:

3x Time Capsules 1stgens all three died with blown overheated PSUs between 14 and 18 months old

5x iMacs since late 2008, 1 repaired twice before being replaced(screen issue, HDD failure, Logic Board Failure and 2 more screen failures)

2x macbook pros, 1 replaced 3 times after two failed repairs (GPU issue)

3x iPhones, battery life issues on 2 3GS, screen issue on 4

Getting apple to acknowledge there was a fault was hard enough, getting them to admit it was KNOWN fault and their responsablity to fix was the WORST consumer experience i have ever had, if they desgined there products properly to have respect for the thermal limitation of the parts, rather than to try and make hermetically sealed paperweights they would produce some of the best hardware on the planet.
 
yeah thanks hell hammer. I am vaguely aware of the consumer rights surrounding UK returns. Still doesn't stop these sheep purchasing apple care while Apple rub their hands together.

You're going to have a real problem in life if you call anyone that doesn't think like you a sheep. Do you really think most people when buying a computer are even considering the warranty? From my experience working as a computer technician I can tell you that the first time a failure crosses a consumers mind is when it happens.

That makes them short sided, not sheep. In other words, born and bred capitalists.

Stop with the sheep crap.
 
Not here in Sweden, if I buy a base 15" MBP, the additional 2 year warranty would cost me $550 for a computer that costs $2590.

Yeah, but doesn't that $550 include a free education and universal health care?
 
Yeah, but doesn't that $550 include a free education and universal health care?

Yes and no... No since that extra $550 doesn't exist on the extra 2 years of warranty over here.
But... Yes I get your point, is why things here are more expensive then in the US for example.
 
i buy all my stuff with American Express CC. It comes with an additional year of warranty after your first year of manufacture warranty. If your computer happens to completely die in the 2nd year, you'll just have to file with Amex and send your computer in. They'll most likely either replace or refund you.
 
I guess I'm feeling philosophical.

Are we upset because we think a new iMac will only last 1 year?

Are we upset because it might only last 3?

If I expect it to last me 5 years, should I demand a 5 year warranty?

If I leave it in the box for 4 years without opening the box, and when I finally do open the box it is broken, shouldn't it still be covered?

If an iMac is a premium product and should come with a 3 year warranty, should the Mac Pro come with a 6 year warranty because it professional grade?

Wouldn't it be nice if they came with a lifetime warranty, like the knives they sell on TV late at night? You know, the ones that are guaranteed to work for the life of the product.
 
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I guess I'm feeling philosophical.

Are we upset because we think a new iMac will only last 1 year?

Are we upset because it might only last 3?

If I expect it to last me 5 years, should I demand a 5 year warranty?

If I leave it in the box for 4 years without opening the box, and when I finally do open the box it is broken, shouldn't it still be covered?

If an iMac is a premium product and should come with a 3 year warranty, should the Mac Pro come with a 6 year warranty because it professional grade?

Wouldn't it be nice if they came with a lifetime warranty, like the knives they sell on TV late at night? You know, the ones that are guaranteed to work for the life of the product.

If you were to ask an Apple employee before purchasing say an iMac, "how long can I expect this product to last". I am positive they would say for many years.

It's just a shame that while Apple pride themselves on great customer service, they can't guarantee their products will last for at least 2 years. In some cases a £1500 piece of equipment. It's a bit ridiculous for a company that is now almost the 2nd biggest company on the planet (I think!).

You are absolutely right. The barrack room lawyers are great at quoting these acts. Take the trouble to read them and their associated "fine print". They are peppered with provisos and "subject to this that and the other"! "A reasonable amount of time" can mean nothing.

For what it is, AppleCare is not expensive and, when needed, saves time and expense.

It is far more likely that a piece of equipment that is ~ 1000 to 1500 will be expected to last 2 to 3 years than a Dell that costs ~ 200. A reasonable amount of time will be related to what the initial outlay is and an iMac would be considered premium.
 
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