How can it have such a poor performance?

[Meister]

I would like to see a video of a permanent problem under windows like permanent are my problems with os x using a 1700 eur machine please I'm an engineer and I've been using pcs for 22 years, I know very well how windows is...

I respect your opinion and I have been using PCs for 25years.
I still use windows every day because it all there is provided at work.
Try force quiting an app in windows ...

Apple's products are able to perform so much better than their competitors with considerably less memory or processing power in some cases (1 gig of ram in iphone 5S and iPad Air).

This! works for me and I have a lot of experience.
I wish win would work, since its more compatible and cheaper.

I also think you should return the macbook. If Win makes you happy, then good for you!

 

[Meister]

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[thejadedmonkey]

...I can say what matters most is the user experience. For iOS, the experience is second to none. Having used every high end Android device there is, none of them hold a candle to the iPhone 5S when it comes to ease of use, battery life and stability...

Don't get me wrong, Apple is miles ahead of Android in "Experience". But that's because Android is a non-touchscreen OS (actually designed originally as a non-touch interface for digital cameras!) hacked onto a touch screen, and you have some of the best people in the world working to put together a better Android without breaking compatibility with the apps out there. 6 years later, they're starting to get there.

Compare an OS designed for touch from the ground up - either Windows 8's metro UI or WP7/8 with iOS, and you'll see that on the surface they're pretty darn equivalent in experience - they're all fast, fluid, and have great battery life. But if you look deeper, that's where the difference between a hardware company and a software company come into play.

 

[Skylitfly]

This thread really seems like a hate thread.

My 15" rmbp, no lag/fps issues.
My mate's 13" rmbp, no lag/fps issues.
My sister's 13" mba, no lag/fps issues.

This thread is either hating or you've got defective machine.

End of the story.

 

[nando87]

This thread really seems like a hate thread.

My 15" rmbp, no lag/fps issues.
My mate's 13" rmbp, no lag/fps issues.
My sister's 13" mba, no lag/fps issues.

This thread is either hating or you've got defective machine.

End of the story.

Have you seen the video? Try yourself

 

[Menge]

Have you seen the video? Try yourself

13" 2011' MBP here:
- Right after App Store startup: buttery smooth
- While it is loading/laying out the screen contents: laggy just like yours
- After it's fully loaded: much better than yours but not buttery smooth

You're complaining about something that is inherently slow everywhere: resizing complex view layouts. The App Store app is a web view (embedded Safari view) and Safari doesn't handle resizing well.

To be honest, I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. Overall performance in OS X is stellar for most things, but a few do suffer (window resizing has kind of always been worse than on Windows due to its architecture, but window dragging is much better and in-window animations are much better).

OS X still uses the CPU to draw a LOT of on-screen elements and the GPU to composite them. That's why window dragging is great — it's just moving a pre-composited square onscreen using just the GPU — and window resizing is slow — it's re-rendering it partially on CPU, and then sending the result to GPU. This is one of the reasons why I haven't been interested in the Retina Macs yet: their CPU isn't much more powerful than the pre-Retina models, but the pixel density quadrupled. Their GPU is powerful enough to push these pixels, but since OS X kind of still relies on the CPU for some things, sometimes it'll get CPU-bound.

I could go on for a while about how this CPU/GPU duality affects performance of certain on-screen operations, but I don't think it's worth it right now. If you really want to know, feel free to ask.

Bottom line: the Mac you bought is a great and powerful machine. The low FPS you saw in that particular case is because you went straight for OS X's Windowing-system achilles heel. I wouldn't return it.

 

[nando87]

Non retina macbooks don't do that, I said it before... I'm installing windows on it. Let's see how it goes.

 

[Menge]

Non retina macbooks don't do that, I said it before... I'm installing windows on it. Let's see how it goes.

Well, I just told you that non-Retina MacBooks behave exactly as you described (because I just did it). It's not a problem with your computer: it's a problem with resizing that particular content.

 

[Jeff Flowerday]

I love me some Microsoft stuff. I love Windows 8.1 when everyone else hates it.

That said I run a top end current Retina Macbook Pro because OSX does HiDPI scaling properly, windows is horrible. For working with photos on a HiDPI display OSX is the way to go.

Anyway...

The app store is a bad example to resize, it's showing a web view that renders horribly. The app store is slow on iOS devices and it's just as crappy on OSX.

When I resize Lightroom loaded with pictures on the Mac it's as smooth as doing the same on my powerhouse Windows 8.1 machine.

Install Windows in bootcamp, I think you'll be surprised that it runs on the hardware better than OSX as others have mentioned.

 

[nando87]

I'm using windows 8.1 on the mbp right now. THIS is properly fast. Now it satisfies me. Good looking quality hardware + good software performance = WIN

 

[Meister]

I'm using windows 8.1 on the mbp right now. THIS is properly fast. Now it satisfies me. Good looking quality hardware + good software performance = WIN

i am glad this thread helped you
Enjoy!

 

[TechGod]

I'm using windows 8.1 on the mbp right now. THIS is properly fast. Now it satisfies me. Good looking quality hardware + good software performance = WIN

Its great that you are happy but I just don't have low fps except the App Store issue. Whatever I can't seal with W8 lol

 

[jebus01]

there is something very wrong with your lac. go to you nearest apple store and get a new one.

 

[nando87]

there is something very wrong with your lac. go to you nearest apple store and get a new one.

My mac is perfectly right running Cinebench under os x and other benchmark programs with the scores it's supposed to, including prime, 3dmark and others under windows.

The problem is just that I can't get used to the slow graphics animation inherent in os x ui, those of you who say don't feel it is probably because you don't use different systems, so you don't have a point of reference... Other thing I don't like about os x is the fact that I can't turn off all the animations and decoration stuff which is quite childish IMO. The os also seems to use tremendous amounts of ram (it uses 7-8 gb with 6 safari tabs and spotify ¿?¿?) and the mail application works quite bad. In summary, os X looks very amateur, not business oriented and performs quite bad IMO.

On the other hand I just love the hardware, the build quality and its solid feel. The screen quality and the battery life are priceless.

 

[pragmatous]

Stop trolling

Ok I'm done.

I use a PC also and a Mac. I'm a systems engineer so I work with servers all day long too.

I literally have no idea what your complaint is or what you're talking about.

My mac is perfectly right running Cinebench under os x and other benchmark programs with the scores it's supposed to, including prime, 3dmark and others under windows.

The problem is just that I can't get used to the slow graphics animation inherent in os x ui, those of you who say don't feel it is probably because you don't use different systems, so you don't have a point of reference... Other thing I don't like about os x is the fact that I can't turn off all the animations and decoration stuff which is quite childish IMO. The os also seems to use tremendous amounts of ram (it uses 7-8 gb with 6 safari tabs and spotify ¿?¿?) and the mail application works quite bad. In summary, os X looks very amateur, not business oriented and performs quite bad IMO.

On the other hand I just love the hardware, the build quality and its solid feel. The screen quality and the battery life are priceless.

 

[emporiky]

On my rmbp iTunes is pretty laggy as well when browsing in albums for example, which is ridiculous for a laptop of this class. Anyone have similar experience?

 

[Skylitfly]

Have you seen the video? Try yourself

Ok, I paid more attention to it. You're right... scaling windows is a bit laggy.

Question is, does that really bother you that much? Everything else is really buttery smooth, silky what ever you can call it. Window scaling is really the only thing that lags a bit. Doesn't bother me at all.

Overall experience and smoothness is still way ahead of Windows. Wouldn't go back to Windows PC's just because of this very minor "problem".

 

[airdrop]

1. Wait until the AppStore app will load whole content.
2. Resize (after load, not before).

This is problem of the App itself, not the (or any other) machine.
And you sounds like prima-donna.

 

[TechGod]

My mac is perfectly right running Cinebench under os x and other benchmark programs with the scores it's supposed to, including prime, 3dmark and others under windows.

The problem is just that I can't get used to the slow graphics animation inherent in os x ui, those of you who say don't feel it is probably because you don't use different systems, so you don't have a point of reference... Other thing I don't like about os x is the fact that I can't turn off all the animations and decoration stuff which is quite childish IMO. The os also seems to use tremendous amounts of ram (it uses 7-8 gb with 6 safari tabs and spotify ¿?¿?) and the mail application works quite bad. In summary, os X looks very amateur, not business oriented and performs quite bad IMO.

On the other hand I just love the hardware, the build quality and its solid feel. The screen quality and the battery life are priceless.

Free RAM really is wasted RAM. If it has 6GB used that's good! It means your most commonly used apps will launch even faster then before and ********. You are ABSOLUTELY trolling. OSX is very fast and smooth and it looks perfectly fine.


I bet you just don't know how to use it properly.

 

[Skylitfly]

My mac is perfectly right running Cinebench under os x and other benchmark programs with the scores it's supposed to, including prime, 3dmark and others under windows.

The problem is just that I can't get used to the slow graphics animation inherent in os x ui, those of you who say don't feel it is probably because you don't use different systems, so you don't have a point of reference... Other thing I don't like about os x is the fact that I can't turn off all the animations and decoration stuff which is quite childish IMO. The os also seems to use tremendous amounts of ram (it uses 7-8 gb with 6 safari tabs and spotify ¿?¿?) and the mail application works quite bad. In summary, os X looks very amateur, not business oriented and performs quite bad IMO.

On the other hand I just love the hardware, the build quality and its solid feel. The screen quality and the battery life are priceless.

Exactly which animations are slow except windows scaling? I can't find any.

Also... if you know anything about computers you should know that unused ram is wasted ram..

I use Windows regularly so I do have reference. And in overall Mac offers way better and smoother user experience no matter which monster pc you throw against it.

 

[Meister]

The problem is just that I can't get used to the slow graphics animation inherent in os x ui, those of you who say don't feel it is probably because you don't use different systems, so you don't have a point of reference... The os also seems to use tremendous amounts of ram (it uses 7-8 gb with 6 safari tabs and spotify ¿?¿?) and the mail application works quite bad. In summary, os X looks very amateur, not business oriented and performs quite bad IMO.
On the other hand I just love the hardware, the build quality and its solid feel. The screen quality and the battery life are priceless.

Mavericks utilizes unused ram. Like written above: unused ram is wasted ram.
How the OS looks is a matter of taste.
The mail app is useless from my experince. Get airmail. That works for me.
I am a office 365 customer and outlook is even worse under OSX. Its basically unuseable.

 

[MartinAppleGuy]

I'm not going to see if my iMac lags when I do this. Not because I am afraid, but because I will never get the window the same size and straight again!

 

[Sekelani]

How can it have such a poor performance?

I was getting the same issue on my old 13inch Macbook pro. But when I upgraded to my 15inch Macbook pro with retina display all those issue went away.

 

[nando87]

Exactly which animations are slow except windows scaling? I can't find any.

Also... if you know anything about computers you should know that unused ram is wasted ram..

I use Windows regularly so I do have reference. And in overall Mac offers way better and smoother user experience no matter which monster pc you throw against it.

Sure sure, that's why the programs I'm installing, let's say f.e photoshop, require higher minimum system specs on mac than on windows. Pentium 4 vs Intel multicore.

Unused ram is wasted ram? Even the whole system running throw RAM shouldn't use 8 gb doing nothing... I have disabled the dashboard, notification bar and some other things... what does that mean, that when I use a heavy program which uses 7-10 gb RAM the os which is programed for using huge amounts of ram will run out of ram and then the performance fall will be even more noticeable?? A good OS should be as frugal and stable as possible IMO.

I'm not trolling, I'm just saying what I think, pros and cons. If you don't like it it's ok, that's not my intention.

Ok, I paid more attention to it. You're right... scaling windows is a bit laggy.

Question is, does that really bother you that much? Everything else is really buttery smooth, silky what ever you can call it. Window scaling is really the only thing that lags a bit. Doesn't bother me at all.

Overall experience and smoothness is still way ahead of Windows. Wouldn't go back to Windows PC's just because of this very minor "problem".

Yes it bothers me because it costs 1700€ and I was reading between the mac community that it's the holy grial of OS and it's a very normal one, not better than ubuntu with good drivers and worse than win8.1 imo. The fact it's a very simple and stupid action only increases the fact it annoys me. As I said before, even the apple logo animation when the laptop starts lags, they are not important things but they give a very bad impression when the whole thing is about aesthetics basically, since there is no serious engineering or industry oriented software designed for this OS.

Anyway, I hope yosemite improves some or all of this things.

 

[nando87]

Ok I'm done.

I use a PC also and a Mac. I'm a systems engineer so I work with servers all day long too.

I literally have no idea what your complaint is or what you're talking about.

I'm a mechanical engineer and I've been using dos windows and linux since I was 5. Where is the pissing contest's inscription?