How can it have such a poor performance?

[T5BRICK]

Sure sure, that's why the programs I'm installing, let's say f.e photoshop, require higher minimum system specs on mac than on windows. Pentium 4 vs Intel multicore.

This is a horrible comparison. The Pentium 4 was NEVER offered in a Mac, so the next step up would be a CPU that was offered. Adobe stopped supporting PPC based machines several versions ago.

Unused ram is wasted ram?

Yes, unused RAM is wasted RAM. The OS can handle managing your RAM, you don't need to worry about how much is being used.

 

[nando87]

This is a horrible comparison. The Pentium 4 was NEVER offered in a Mac, so the next step up would be a CPU that was offered. Adobe stopped supporting PPC based machines several versions ago.



Yes, unused RAM is wasted RAM. The OS can handle managing your RAM, you don't need to worry about how much is being used.

I know I don't need to worry and in fact it's not useful to worry about it, I just would like to know how it's possible that an empty system uses 8gb of ram, how can it need such an enormous amount of data for nothing more than keep itself running and why since it does not seem specially faster. FYI:


For 64-bit AutoCAD 2014

Windows® 8 and Windows® 8.1 (requires installation of the Model Documentation hotfix) Standard, Enterprise, or Professional edition, Windows 7 Enterprise, Ultimate, Professional, or Home Premium edition (compare Windows versions), or Windows XP Professional (SP2 or later)
Athlon 64 with SSE2 technology, AMD Opteron™ processor with SSE2 technology, Intel® Xeon® processor with Intel EM64T support and SSE2 technology, or Pentium 4 with Intel EM64T support and SSE2 technology
2 GB RAM (4 GB recommended)


AutoCAD for Mac 2014 System Requirements
Apple® Mac® OS® X v10.9.0 or later (Mavericks), OS X v10.8.0 or later (Mountain Lion) with 64-bit Intel processor
Apple Mac Pro® 4,1 or later(Mac Pro® 5,1 or later recommended); MacBook® Pro 5,1 or later (MacBook Pro 10,1 with Retina Display or later recommended); iMac® 8.1 or later (iMac 11.1 or later recommended); Mac® mini 3.1 or later (Mac mini 4.1 or later recommended); MacBook Air® 2.1 or later; MacBook® 5.1 or later (MacBook 7.1 or later recommended)
3 GB of RAM (4 GB recommended)

Added to the fact that Autocad for mac lacks a lot of funcionalities, how can it be possible that it always needs more hardware even for doing less? Aren't there intel macs with less than 3gb ram or what?

The windows version, running with an athlon 64-pentium 4, implies that it's capable to run on a 10 years old machine.

 

[Meister]

Unused ram is wasted ram? Even the whole system running throw RAM shouldn't use 8 gb doing nothing... I have disabled the dashboard, notification bar and some other things... what does that mean, that when I use a heavy program which uses 7-10 gb RAM the os which is programed for using huge amounts of ram will run out of ram and then the performance fall will be even more noticeable?? A good OS should be as frugal and stable as possible IMO.

I have no idea what you are even writing about.
Its simple: look at the activity monitor. Is the memory pressure in the green? Green=fine.

No need to mind**** about used/unused ram.

 

[Anitramane]

The apple hardware is more than capable of resizing windows 24 hours a day. Problem is the software is not good enough to handle window resizing, even though it should be.

Sometimes I miss windows, but I just like how the Apple software is well integrated with the hardware. Windows software performs better than Apple software.

About the ram, the computer will run programs in memory and if there’s any leftover Osx fills it with files. The memory management is still a bitch in Osx leaving 70GB large pagefile, and expanding the virtual memory to 17GB when having 5(!) softwares open (Safari, Skype, Twitter, Steam, Finder). The kernal started using 1GB of memory and the computer locked up because it ran out of memory.

Regular kernel uses 500MB which is still too much.

 

[nando87]

The apple hardware is more than capable of resizing windows 24 hours a day. Problem is the software is not good enough to handle window resizing, even though it should be.

Sometimes I miss windows, but I just like how the Apple software is well integrated with the hardware. Windows software performs better than Apple software.

About the ram, the computer will run programs in memory and if there’s any leftover Osx fills it with files. The memory management is still a bitch in Osx leaving 70GB large pagefile, and expanding the virtual memory to 17GB when having 5(!) softwares open (Safari, Skype, Twitter, Steam, Finder). The kernal started using 1GB of memory and the computer locked up because it ran out of memory.

Regular kernel uses 500MB which is still too much.

It looks like I'm not a lunatic (or the only one )

 

[Sparta1978]

... if we buy laggy laptops for this kind of money apple will never work on it, why should they? ...

Good point.

This brought back the emotions when I heard Tim Cook talks of what apple stands for. (apple is a company that believes in "advancing humanity through its products and through the equality of all of its employees.") Apple managed to accumulate record profits for shareholders, while concurrently skimming the workers who make their products overseas and selling less than the best specs for its rich consumers. When someone from competitive PC world like Nando87 compares Apple's products to top shelf PC stuff, he notices something that perhaps we become ignorant of.

Thanks for pointing this out Nando87. You make a good point.

 

[Meister]

Apple managed to accumulate record profits for shareholders, while concurrently skimming the workers who make their products overseas and selling less than the best specs for its rich consumers.

this belongs in the social issues section.
If I write my opinion on this, the mods will remove the posts.

Besides that the macbook specs are superb.

 

[nando87]

p.S: excuse my english, it's my third language and it's a bit osXish

 

[Meister]

p.S: excuse my english, it's my third language and it's a bit osXish

your english seems perfect to me. Its my second language.
Mais mon français est trop windowesque.

 

[Freyqq]

Hello to everyone.

I've just bought my first mac, a MacBook Pro Retina 13'' i5 2,4ghz 16gb ram 256gb ssd. I am an advanced pc user-gamer and everything by the way...

I wanted to go into the whole apple experience since I'm a long term iphone and ipad user and I was thinking about the "continuity" thing for this fall.

I was impatient, and when it arrives... what a tremendous dissapointment... I wasn't looking for gaming on this laptop, but it lags on its own os' UI!! This is incredible!!

If I resize the App Store manually clicking on the right down corner and moving the mouse, it's like a netbook running a full HD screen without graphic card drivers!! it's horrible. Just opening Pages and doing the same operation, it is not as bad but it looks like less than 12 fps! even the apple logo, when the macbook starts and moves upward so you can enter your password is laggy, no more than 7 fps or so. Not to mention when I installed Photoshop and was trying to zoom and move a 3mpx photo or resizing the program window...

After realizing this, I went to my local store. I tried the 15'' with gt750, full spec. The lag still exists, it is not as bad but it is not enough at all either.

I don't want to offend anyone but seriously, if this is normal, how could you buy this and not feel cheated? It's shameful. Right now I'm using a fx8320 16gb ddr3 hd5850 desktop with win 8.1 and it feels like 10 evolution years faster than the macbook I bought.

I'm returning it, and I will wait until new GPUs or yosemite are released, to see if they can fix this... But right now, I feel, again, sadly very dissapointed. My main goals were engineering programs through bootcamp and light everyday use and photoshop under mac osx, sadly I'll have to pass at least for now.

It's an issue with that app. Try finder or itunes. It is totally smooth.

 

[TechGod]

It's an issue with that app. Try finder or itunes. It is totally smooth.

App store is lagging but that's it.

 

[nando87]

I forgot to mention that it scores 10% more when benchmarking under windows (cinebench r15)

 

[TechGod]

I forgot to mention that it scores 10% more when benchmarking under windows (cinebench r15)

10 percent isn't significant. There could be a lot of factors involved and I never get the same score.

 

[nando87]

10 percent isn't significant. There could be a lot of factors involved and I never get the same score.

It's not just me, every review you can find says the same. I think a proprietary OS achieving 9% less performance than a standard one is quite significant.

 

[Freyqq]

It's not just me, every review you can find says the same. I think a proprietary OS achieving 9% less performance than a standard one is quite significant.

So many possible factors could be influencing those scores, including how the OSX version is coded vs Windows version, background tasks, etc. Even so, OSX is coded mainly for reliability and power efficiency, not speed. OSX is rock solid in reliability and gets better battery life compared to Windows on the same machine.

It's nice to have both options available depending on the task.

 

[TechGod]

It's not just me, every review you can find says the same. I think a proprietary OS achieving 9% less performance than a standard one is quite significant.

I don't care. I said there are many factors involved in that and yes it isn't significant at all because at the end of the day OSX still runs way better than Windows for me.

 

[UBS28]

App store is lagging but that's it.

I can't scroll or resize in OS X without lagging, it's not restricted to the App Store. Windows 8.1 is smooth as butter on the 2010 15" MBP unlike OS X.

 

[TechGod]

I can't scroll or resize in OS X without lagging, it's not restricted to the App Store. Windows 8.1 is smooth as butter on the 2010 15" MBP unlike OS X.

Well sorry but I don't have any issues on either my 2011 13" MBP or my late 2013 rMBP 13".

I really don't have any issues with it and perhaps try repairing disk permissions?

 

[UBS28]

Well sorry but I don't have any issues on either my 2011 13" MBP or my late 2013 rMBP 13".

I really don't have any issues with it and perhaps try repairing disk permissions?

That doesn't fix it unfortunately. The 2010 15" MBP seems fine when using it, but when using the 2013 15" rMBP 2.3 ghz / 16 gb/ 750m afterwards, the lag shows on the 2010 15" MBP using OS X.

 

[TechGod]

That doesn't fix it unfortunately. The 2010 15" MBP seems fine when using it, but when using the 2013 15" rMBP 2.3 ghz / 16 gb/ 750m afterwards, the lag shows on the 2010 15" MBP using OS X.

I definitely feel better overall UI performance on the rMBP but the 2011 model isn't that bad.

 

[aggri1]

My impression is that OS X has always felt very slow. To me, when an interface feels slow, it feels like hard work to use it.

One of my biggest disappointments with an Apple product was when I loaded the fancy new supposedly-awesome 10.1 on my Yikes G4, because of how incredibly slow everything was. Opening applications in particular was awful. Moving windows, resizing windows, all horrible. Mac OS 9 was so fast in comparison: every time I switched back it felt like a new computer all over again.

Later improvements to X such as the GPU-accelerated window handling (Quartz Extreme) helped with some operations, on the compatible AGP-graphics Mac I had later - but not on its second screen, which was running on a PCI-graphics card.

Games which ran perfectly well in Mac OS 9 on my Yikes box were often almost un-playable in X. More recently, I have tried Rhino for Mac OS X: compared with the (more mature) Windows version, it's pretty much unusable unless all you're designing are cardboard boxes or cups. And all of the OpenOffice clones I've tried on Mac OS X are also terribly, awfully, miserably, slow whereas they are very nice on Windows.

Yes, in my experience there are numerous areas where Mac OS X feels slow. So, my iMac spends 90% if its time in Windows these days. Shame, I was once such an Apple fan...