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General How come no one can't HACK iOS to Downgrade??!

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darricksailo said:
I guess the others sort of did say what I said but in a more complicated fashion. They were all just saying how the code cannot be easily modifiable.

You should read up what SHSH are and how they are used in the restoring process though. that might help clear things up?
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Not really, they were more like behaving that my question is something forbidden, something apple users shouldn't be thinking about.

I know very well what SHSH blob are and are used for. But blobs by them self don't explain that apple is using some kind of encryption to prevent us from downgrading.

Maybe not enough people are trying to find solution, instead they rather just enjoy the horrible new iOS. That is my point all along
 
Bartender4 said:
This is something I totally DO NOT understand. Aren't the iDevices (iPhone, iPad, iPod) just set of electronics (ram, cpu,flash memory connected to mother board...) or is it some kind of Magic??

How come no one is able to hack for instance iOS6.ipsw file so it sends Apple data that the file is actually iOS7 and than Apple would accept it even it's iOS6?

Or how come no one isn't able to install iOS on iDevice the same way as installing Windows to PC. I mean to extract and install the firmware on the flash memory of iDevice.

I just don't understand how those things aren't possible, when there are so many experts for Apple devices and programming general. Just think of all other electronics that were hacked (ps3, xbox360, android devices)
I can't understand that I have only 2 explanations:
  1. Apple uses some kind of magic
  2. people didn't never really try to hack it
Or maybe I am unaware of some kind of new technology that they'r using.

Anyways thanks for reading this and I would appreciate every answer
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There was never a good reason to downgrade iOS before iOS 7, so it would take time for a hack to develop.
 
I too have secretly wondered about some of the points the OP asks... I don't think there is a need to pile on.

Most members here are extremely knowledgeable when it comes to iDevices and whatnot, others- like myself- are attempting to learn, via Google, sure- but also this forum.

Perhaps a step back when someone asks a simple (to you) question. I don't think it would be out of line to simply answer it instead of the, "educate yourself" mantra.

On a side note (and, not a little comical): many of the searches I've sought on Google brings me right back here on MacRumors!
 
Bartender4 said:
Not really, they were more like behaving that my question is something forbidden, something apple users shouldn't be thinking about.

I know very well what SHSH blob are and are used for. But blobs by them self don't explain that apple is using some kind of encryption to prevent us from downgrading.

Maybe not enough people are trying to find solution, instead they rather just enjoy the horrible new iOS. That is my point all along
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The SHSH blobs DO have encryption with them. That's the APTicket that was introduced in iOS 5

When SHSH blobs were first introduced, there was no APTicket and you could easily spoof it (as with what cydia did). That's why if you do some searching online, you'll see people mentioning to modify your hosts file to point to cydia's server

No bootrom exploit was needed at that point

There was a bug in the restoring system for iOS 5, and that's why re-restores were possible. Apple has long since fixed that

Short of hacking apple's server, a bootrom exploit is needed. And even if the master key to break the encryption is found, all Apple needs to do is change the master key and we'll be back to the beginning

It's why the Apple TV 3 will never be jailbroken, there's not enough code to mess around with to find an exploit
 
deluxeshredder said:
There was never a good reason to downgrade iOS before iOS 7, so it would take time for a hack to develop.
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Well, let me disagree: up until now, the vast majority of apps have still been iOS5-compliant, there have been a reason for power users / properllerhead geeks to stay with iOS5 on iPads: Quasar, a real windowing system for iPads. It's by far the largest advantage of iOS5 over iOS6/7. Particularly because Apple are unlikely to add anything multiwindow support to non-Pro iPads.

The case with the iPhone 4S and 60p double-framerate recording is similar: several 4S users have stayed with iOS5.1.1 as it was the last version the 4S supported 60p video recording. Apple, in iOS6, have removed it and haven't added back in iOS7 to force 4S users needing 60p video to purchase a new model. (Typical for Apple BTW - and absolutely unethical...)

BTW, speaking of iOS5 compliance in the future, I don't know how this will change now that the latest Xcode versions only offer iOS 6.0 as the minimal deployment target and many programmers may simply forget to fire up an earlier Xcode version to set a lower deployment target. (Even the latest 5.1 DP2 of Xcode supports deployment targets of 4.3, assuming it's been set in another, earlier Xcode.) This means that, now that Apple forces programmers to use 5.1-series Xcodes for app compilation & submission from February, the iOS5 compatibility rate may heavily drop.
 
To OP: authentication happens server side which you have no control over. Apple employs some of the smartest hackers in the world. All these hackers work together to make sure they are in control. It's common sense. When you stop looking at apple like they are dumb and you are so smart you will understand why things are the way they are.
 
hackthatphone said:
Why don't you figure it out then and school us all? Threads like these really do forums a disservice to the readers..
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If someone is is willing to fund my researches, I'm sure I could find hackers at least as good as those at apple to counter hack it.

If it wouldn't be of threads like this, there would be only geeks discussing geek problems between themselves.
 
TL24 said:
Seriously? Instead of whining and bitching about it like a little girl why don't you just enjoy your iOS device like everyone else?

First world problems right here, spoiled a.ss!
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Believe it or not, some people come here to learn. Attitudes like yours, are deplorable.
 
Bartender4 said:
If someone is is willing to fund my researches, I'm sure I could find hackers at least as good as those at apple to counter hack it.

If it wouldn't be of threads like this, there would be only geeks discussing geek problems between themselves.
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I'm not sure why you think you're the first person to think of downgrading A5+ devices.

Obviously people would love the freedom to install whatever firmware they would like but it's physically impossible ATM.

I'm not sure if anybody in the community is even still actively working on this as it's been an issue since the 4S and there's still no solution. My common sense is telling me you won't change this.
 
Bartender4 said:
If someone is is willing to fund my researches, I'm sure I could find hackers at least as good as those at apple to counter hack it.

If it wouldn't be of threads like this, there would be only geeks discussing geek problems between themselves.
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You are just being assumptive that your problem is everyone's problem. Most people here don't care about downgrading or have taken the precautionary steps needed to be able to downgrade. Especially now that latest iOS has been jailbroken.
 
oplix said:
You are just being assumptive that your problem is everyone's problem. Most people here don't care about downgrading or have taken the precautionary steps needed to be able to downgrade. Especially now that latest iOS has been jailbroken.
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Defintely not assumpting it's everyone's problem. But it's for sure a BIG problem if u use iPhone 4 or even 4s. It totally destroys the device (i know it's apple's plan to make me buy new one, but is it a good plan..). And how can a jailbreaking iPhone 4 on iOS7 help solve my problem for real??

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boshii said:
I'm not sure why you think you're the first person to think of downgrading A5+ devices.

Obviously people would love the freedom to install whatever firmware they would like but it's physically impossible ATM.

I'm not sure if anybody in the community is even still actively working on this as it's been an issue since the 4S and there's still no solution. My common sense is telling me you won't change this.
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I don't, because I don't even own one..

I think they would find soultuion much faster if they would try to do it, instead of puting all their energy in jailbreak and it's tweeks.(just my opinion)
 
Bartender4 said:
Defintely not assumpting it's everyone's problem. But it's for sure a BIG problem if u use iPhone 4 or even 4s. It totally destroys the device (i know it's apple's plan to make me buy new one, but is it a good plan..)
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For them. For us, it isn't. It's like robbing us our iPads / iPhones we've paid for. Apple will one day pay dearly for this anti-customer BS.
 
Menneisyys2 said:
For them. For us, it isn't. It's like robbing us our iPads / iPhones we've paid for. Apple will one day pay dearly for this anti-customer BS.
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I wouldn't say it's anti-consumer.

Tech advances fast and if I have the latest iDevice, I would like my software to fully utilize the capabilities of the latest hardware.

It would be a shame if Apple had to scale back their OS to be optimized for the 3GS.
 
boshii said:
I wouldn't say it's anti-consumer.

Tech advances fast and if I have the latest iDevice, I would like my software to fully utilize the capabilities of the latest hardware.

It would be a shame if Apple had to scale back their OS to be optimized for the 3GS.
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I agree if u have "the latest iDevice" you would want that. But if u don't have it u would also want to be able to run iOS best optimized for that iDevice, that means be able to keep/downgrade to older iOS(at least the last one) don't u think so?
 
boshii said:
I wouldn't say it's anti-consumer.

Tech advances fast and if I have the latest iDevice, I would like my software to fully utilize the capabilities of the latest hardware.

It would be a shame if Apple had to scale back their OS to be optimized for the 3GS.
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We're speaking of not only removing existing, paid-for(!!) functionality (60p in the 4S etc) to boost sales of new devices, but also artificially slowing down "old" devices in new OS'es by, I assume, additional "no operation" loops.

If you don't find it disgusting, let me phrase the question this way: would you say the same if Microsoft or Google did the same?

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boshii said:
You'll have to deal with the sluggishness or upgrade your hardware.
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Which can also be described as theft. Apple is forcing users to upgrade to a barely usable (which, I bet, is artificially slowed down to run very slow on "old" hardware) OS.
 
boshii said:
You'll have to deal with the sluggishness or upgrade your hardware.
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That I know, I'll have to upgrade sooner or later. But is it my fault that apples device had to be restored and now works like ****, or apple's for not letting me use iOS better suited for my iDevice.
 
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Bartender4 said:
That I know, I'll have to upgrade sooner or later. But is it my fault that apples device had to be restored and now works like ****, or apple's for not letting me use iOS better suited for my iDevice.
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It's pretty saddening to see Android's newer releases run on old hardware better than older OS releases.

Diametrically opposed to Apple's "let's make everything 2...3+ year old useless" approach. This is one of the reasons a lot of tech literates are leaving Apple.
 
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