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how come the samsung galaxy s 2 is better than the iphone 4s even though its older

Gotta love the educated consumer...

Ignoring the CPU specs and whatnot the statement that the GSII's camera is better... I am so tired of the thinking that more MP always = a better camera.

It isn't his fault as that is the marketing hype that has been fed to him since the first digital camera but it is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR from the truth.

More megapixels doesn't speak to the quality of the camera by FAR!
 
Speeds and feeds that look good on a press release, a good experience does not make. If you thinks it better then buy it and move on.
 
iPad 3 said:
its got like 2x 1.2ghz and more ram and bigger screen and better camera and costs less why is this
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Actually the A5 is the faster of the two. The actual speed of the processor doesn't mean a thing. You can have a sandy bridge procerssor running at 2Ghz and a core 2 duo running at 3Ghz and the Sandy bridge will be almost twice as fast. it all depends on how the OS takes advantage yes, but also the design of the chip itself.

The A5 can also get more done per clock. Clock for clock the A5 is faster, take into account the optimization of the OS to the hardware and the 4S is the currently the fastest smartphone right now on the planet.

The Galaxy in bench marks is half as fast. Seriously the trolls are in full effect this morning.

Fastest smartphone they ever tested.

http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/14/iphone-4s-review/

On the SunSpider 9.1 JavaScript benchmark, a good test of overall ability to render the best the web has to offer, the phone scores a 2,200ms on average. That's well lower (quicker) than the 3,700 the iPhone 4 manages and faster than any other smartphone we've tested. In fact it ranks right up there with tablets like the Galaxy Tab 10.1 (2,200), but still the iPad 2 leaves it behind with its score of 1,700.

Even against a 1.5 Ghz dual core qualcomm Android phone. Yeah Android renders web pages fast. Lol.

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/iphone-4s-benchmark-tests-prove-its-faster-than-galaxy-s2-50005683/

http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-4s-review-11187049/

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/...rks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2
 
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Reading this forum is starting to get interesting again. So many people afraid to admit that the iphone is playing 2nd fiddle now.
 
F123D said:
It's all about the "user experience"..
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This excuse is getting old.

Androids user experience is terrific. As is that of iOS.

I speak from first hand experience with both phones.

What I would like is for Apple to offer two models. One with a larger display for those who want it. And the existing tiny size screen for those who like small.

If Apple would be open minded and offer two, their sales would really be astronomical.

I would then use an iPhone exclusively. The way it is now I end up carrying two phones.
 
Tarzanman said:
Reading this forum is starting to get interesting again. So many people afraid to admit that the iphone is playing 2nd fiddle now.
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Lol. yeah. How is that exactly?

Spec wise it is the fastest smartphone in the world right now. Number one in sales.

2nd fiddle. Ok troll. Lol. ;)

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vitzr said:
This excuse is getting old.

Androids user experience is terrific. As is that of iOS.

I speak from first hand experience with both phones.

What I would like is for Apple to offer two models. One with a larger display for those who want it. And the existing tiny size screen for those who like small.

If Apple would be open minded and offer two, their sales would really be astronomical.

I would then use an iPhone exclusively. The way it is now I end up carrying two phones.
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Their sales are already astronomical. It is the best selling smartphone in the world. I own the Galaxy S2, so i am not hating on Android, just after trying it, it can't compare. Sluggish OS. Grappy build quality. it feels almost like a toy.

It is sitting in a drawer right now collecting dust. I own all Apple products and until google can provide a comparable ecosystem to Apple, it will stay in the drawer.

The screen size is that size for a reason. Not because they want to piss people off. It allows for one handed operation, and you can reach with your thumb anywhere on the screen. There is nothing magical or special about a 4 inch screen.

Phones should be getting smaller, not bigger. Apple will offer a bigger screen it it doesn't hinder usability. Same iPhone size with a bigger screen that you can operate one handed and Apple will make it.

If Apple felt users wanted one even thought they would not be able to use the phone one handed, they would make one. If they thought it would hurt sales, they would make one.

It doesn't hurt sales so they wouldn't. It don't make the phone more useable, it makes it less so.
 
iamthedudeman said:
Lol. yeah. How is that exactly?

Spec wise it is the fastest smartphone in the world right now. Number one in sales.

2nd fiddle. Ok troll. Lol. ;)

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Their sales are already astronomical. It is the best selling smartphone in the world. I own the Galaxy S2, so i am not hating on Android, just after trying it, it can't compare. Sluggish OS. Grappy build quality. it feels almost like a toy.

It is sitting in a drawer right now collecting dust. I own all Apple products and until google can provide a comparable ecosystem to Apple, it will stay in the drawer.

The screen size is that size for a reason. Not because they want to piss people off. It allows for one handed operation, and you can reach with your thumb anywhere on the screen. There is nothing magical or special about a 4 inch screen.

Phones should be getting smaller, not bigger. Apple will offer a bigger screen it it doesn't hinder usability. Same iPhone size with a bigger screen that you can operate one handed and Apple will make it.

If Apple felt users wanted one even thought they would not be able to use the phone one handed, they would make one. If they thought it would hurt sales, they would make one.

It doesn't hurt sales so they wouldn't. It don't make the phone more useable, it makes it less so.
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Meh they could still offer two versions and have even better sales. If you can't admit that so be it. I wish they would use some of the already present wasted space and they could make the screen bigger and keep it same size. I would definitely buy a 4 or even a 4.3 iPhone although doubt they will ever make one that size
 
vitzr said:
This excuse is getting old.

Androids user experience is terrific. As is that of iOS.

I speak from first hand experience with both phones.

What I would like is for Apple to offer two models. One with a larger display for those who want it. And the existing tiny size screen for those who like small.

If Apple would be open minded and offer two, their sales would really be astronomical.

I would then use an iPhone exclusively. The way it is now I end up carrying two phones.
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If you're the type of person who is willing to lug around 2 phones, just to get the user experience from one and an extra half inch of screen real estate from the other, then chances are NO one phone is ever going to be good enough for you.

Also, any time I've ever seen someone carrying 2 smartphones, they were either a Best Buy employee, or standing in line at a Star Wars premier. Just sayin.
 
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iPad 3 said:
its got like 2x 1.2ghz and more ram and bigger screen and better camera and costs less why is this
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There are only two logical explanations: Either Samsung builds a phone that is much better and much cheaper, which means the people at Samsung setting the sale price are idiots. The more likely explanation is that you are missing something along the line that makes the iPhone worth more than the Samsung. As was explained, much more efficient use of the CPU and RAM in iOS, much better GPU (seven times faster), a camera that is a lot better not according to whatever numbers you and Samsung marketing concentrated on, but according to the things that you missed that let people take better photos, overall better software, overall nicer design when Apple can keep Samsung from stealing theirs.

Captainobvvious said:
Gotta love the educated consumer...

Ignoring the CPU specs and whatnot the statement that the GSII's camera is better... I am so tired of the thinking that more MP always = a better camera.

It isn't his fault as that is the marketing hype that has been fed to him since the first digital camera but it is FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR from the truth.

More megapixels doesn't speak to the quality of the camera by FAR!
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On a sad note, I lost that cause when my wife wanted to buy a new camera. The one I picked was reasonably expensive one year ago, but reduced to half price because it was replaced with a newer model, with 8 MP. The one she picked was a brand new cheap model with 12 MP, for exactly the same price. And if I tell her that the new camera produces rubbish images full of noise because it has two many megapixels for the sensor size, and because it is lower quality anyway, I'll be just in more trouble :mad:

The good news with the Apple camera: 5 lenses instead of 4. 72 percent more light reception (now THAT makes a huge, huge difference). Electronic image stabilisation while recording video; that's huge. To get the better optical image stabilisation you have to pay real money for the camera, probably a lot more than for the complete iPhone.
 
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iPad 3 said:
its got like 2x 1.2ghz and more ram and bigger screen and better camera and costs less why is this
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You are comparing apples to oranges and are making the mistake of assuming that better hardware automatically equals superior performance. This is usually true in the PC world because many other things are held equal, eg same OS (Windows) on so many PCs, same games played, limited video card options, etc.

A phone is not a PC just because it also has a processor and ram. There are many other variables that you've failed to account for. Android OS is easily much buggier than iOS and the majority of apps still run far better on iOS than they do on Android. This is undeniable. Your processor speed and other hardware will never make up for these shortcomings until Android OS itself is smoothed over.

Your thread title much like your comparison is completely bogus.

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saaketham said:
Hardware-wise, most of the top Android phones are more powerful with higher RAM, faster processors, etc. But, did you see the benchmark tests where they compared Javascript-engine, graphics, etc of iPhone 4s with Galaxy S2 and other Android phones? If not, please check it out.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4951/...rks-800mhz-a5-slightly-slower-gpu-than-ipad-2

Once you read that, you'll realize two thing - (1) if the software is optimized for the hardware, you can get great performance even with lower hardware specs (2) faster processors usually means less battery life.

The S2 is a good phone, no doubt. And if you like Android, then it's one of the best out there - the screen's awesome. But, if you're more into iOS, then go for the iPhone. Ignore the specs on paper - the HTC Amaze 4g has even better specs than the S2, but in reviews, it is not as good as the S2. So, specs < real life performance and experience.
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Well said, this has been an issue with HTC for as long as I can remember. They always boast about their amazing hardware specs but when you get the phone in hand it still just doesn't deliver. They were responsible for a lot of phones coming out ahead of their time but weren't well received for a number of reasons.
 
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iPad 3 said:
its got like 2x 1.2ghz and more ram and bigger screen and better camera and costs less why is this
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Wow, like, I don't know, like, that's so strange. Man, maybe I should have gotten an S2 instead of the 4S because, you know, like, maybe it's better or something, or maybe it's not, I don't know, I'm starting to think that, as an iPhone 4S purchaser, I'm dumb or willfully blind to reality or some such. :confused: :rolleyes:
 
The iPhone will always preform better regardless of specs, because of one thing

iOS.

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gnasher729 said:
There are only two logical explanations: Either Samsung builds a phone that is much better and much cheaper, which means the people at Samsung setting the sale price are idiots. The more likely explanation is that you are missing something along the line that makes the iPhone worth more than the Samsung. As was explained, much more efficient use of the CPU and RAM in iOS, much better GPU (seven times faster), a camera that is a lot better not according to whatever numbers you and Samsung marketing concentrated on, but according to the things that you missed that let people take better photos, overall better software, overall nicer design when Apple can keep Samsung from stealing theirs.
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The only thing that makes the iPhone worth more is because it's loyal followers would buy a turd if it came in a apple box. Literally a POS in a box and you'd buy it. They know that, they aren't fools, and everyone lines up year after year with money in hand and the threads of "I can barely sleep I'm so excited" start.

Lets put it this way, if Samsung made a phone that leaked light, cracked all over the place like the 3g and 3gs, you'd all be jumping up and down claiming it's a POS. Barely a peep from fanboys. Why? Because it has a nice silver apple on the back and Steve Jobs said it was "revolutionary".
 
BoxerGT2.5 said:
The only thing that makes the iPhone worth more is because it's loyal followers would buy a turd if it came in a apple box. Literally a POS in a box and you'd buy it. They know that, they aren't fools, and everyone lines up year after year with money in hand and the threads of "I can barely sleep I'm so excited" start.

Lets put it this way, if Samsung made a phone that leaked light, cracked all over the place like the 3g and 3gs, you'd all be jumping up and down claiming it's a POS. Barely a peep from fanboys. Why? Because it has a nice silver apple on the back and Steve Jobs said it was "revolutionary".
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I fail to see the point of your online bickering. No one is going to listen to an outburst resembling that of a small child's. If you actually want to discuss the merits of the post you quoted, please go right ahead.
 
MastahRiz said:
I fail to see the point of your online bickering. No one is going to listen to an outburst resembling that of a small child's. If you actually want to discuss the merits of the post you quoted, please go right ahead.
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So brand loyalty doesn't exist in today's consumer market? Pointing that out is an outburst resembling a small child? lol Yes you are the enlightened and mature one, carry on Mr. Mastah set me straight. lol
 
aneftp said:
Really my main concerned with Samsung is their complete lack of or slow upgrade policies in the USA. They are at least 4-5 months behind in supporting their USA products or leave users high and dry even after 6-7 months (Samsung Vibrant getting no software updates).

So buy the S2 in the USA but be prepared to get android ice cream software sometime in the spring 2012 at least 5-6 months after google announces ice cream next week.

Samsung Vibrant finally got 2.2 7 months after its release and and never getting 2.3 update. Samsung Captivate/epic/fascinate getting 2.2 8 months late. And to date none of those phones have official gingerbread updates and it's been close to 10-11 months since gingerbread was released.

So buy the s2 in the USA and be happy with gingerbread because you won't see ice cream until for a long time.
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That's what I've been telling everyone too. Samsung is slowest when it comes tom updating their devices. The Epic 4G still doesn't have Gingerbread. Samsung is also slow when it comes to fixing issues and/or sending updates out to fix issues. case in point the LOS (Lost of Service) issue with the Epic 4G Touch. Many Sprint/Android users say that this is a Sprint issue and not a samsung issue, but it is. Samsung is known to put out phones with bad radios in them and as a result many people get bad reception and/or drop calls etc.

I've owned EVERY sprint Android phone and I've previously owned every iPhone. And in my opinion, I can tell you that the iphone is just a better overall phone when compared to the galaxy s II or any Phone, not just Android.

True the Galaxy S II line of phones excel in certain areas. However, when it comes to a device that works out of the box, a device that has excellent customer service support, a device that gets updates in a timely manner and a device that fits your everyday needs...the iPhone comes out on top.
 
BoxerGT2.5 said:
So brand loyalty doesn't exist in today's consumer market? Pointing that out is an outburst resembling a small child? lol Yes you are the enlightened and mature one, carry on Mr. Mastah set me straight. lol
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Brand loyalty certainly does exist but that hardly makes it the sole reason for Apple's success. The post you originally quoted had nothing to do with brand loyalty anyway so once again I'm forced to assume you're confused.
 
pirarre said:
That's what I've been telling everyone too. Samsung is slowest when it comes tom updating their devices. The Epic 4G still doesn't have Gingerbread. Samsung is also slow when it comes to fixing issues and/or sending updates out to fix issues. case in point the LOS (Lost of Service) issue with the Epic 4G Touch. Many Sprint/Android users say that this is a Sprint issue and not a samsung issue, but it is. Samsung is known to put out phones with bad radios in them and as a result many people get bad reception and/or drop calls etc.

I've owned EVERY sprint Android phone and I've previously owned every iPhone. And in my opinion, I can tell you that the iphone is just a better overall phone when compared to the galaxy s II or any Phone, not just Android.

True the Galaxy S II line of phones excel in certain areas. However, when it comes to a device that works out of the box, a device that has excellent customer service support, a device that gets updates in a timely manner and a device that fits your everyday needs...the iPhone comes out on top.
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Updates are a problem with US carriers, the SGS2 has been out for awhile in Europe, the list of updates that came through is pretty extensive. US carriers control how they release them.

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MastahRiz said:
Brand loyalty certainly does exist but that hardly makes it the sole reason for Apple's success. The post you originally quoted had nothing to do with brand loyalty anyway so once again I'm forced to assume you're confused.
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There are only two logical explanations: Either Samsung builds a phone that is much better and much cheaper, which means the people at Samsung setting the sale price are idiots. The more likely explanation is that you are missing something along the line that makes the iPhone worth more than the Samsung.
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Which was in response to:

its got like 2x 1.2ghz and more ram and bigger screen and better camera and costs less why is this
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This make it more clear for you? We can argue to what extent brand loyalty/following factors into demand which influences cost in a normal business model if you'd like. Please continue to set me straight, I'm learning here.
 
BoxerGT2.5 said:
Updates are a problem with US carriers, the SGS2 has been out for awhile in Europe, the list of updates that came through is pretty extensive. US carriers control how they release them.
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I understand what you're saying. So I'll just reword what I said differently then. "Samsung is slow to update their U.S. phones."

I know that US carriers have some bearing on the updates but still their slow when it comes to Samsung. HTC, followed my Motorola is the quickest to update devices.

http://phandroid.com/2011/01/13/com...ates-of-all-carriers-manufacturers-in-the-us/
 
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