How do I downgrade from iOS 5 to 4.3.3 WITHOUT SHSH Blobs?

[TheNew6uy]

iOS is a firmware. In OP, you said you JB shortly before iOS5. So what firmware was it on? Then you said you revert to normal without blobs. What firmware did you revert to?

That I cannot recall. I never focused on firmware. Honestly, I only picked 4.3.3 because it seemed JBable. Now I am looking for 4.3.5. I bought my phone at the latter end of August (of 2011). I believe I wanted to JB mid way through September into October, if that helps know what firmware I was on. I couldn't begin to tell you what firmware I went to, but maybe the time frame would help know the firmware I was on (like I had been on the most recent at that time).

You can't.

And to back up what he said, I apparently cannot save iOS 5.0.1 SHSH blobs with TinyUmbrella? Or is there another program to do it?

And to the rest of you "kids" out there who are so stuck on that you "know everything", I'm fine with accepting you cannot downgrade from iOS 5 to whatever it was I was doing. I accepted it like at the very beginning. QUIT FIGHTING WITH ME ABOUT IT. There's no point to fight about something I never fought with in the beginning.

 

[EvanLugh]

"kids who know everything". I'll bet you $50 most of us kids i,e labman, apple juice, me et al are older and clearly wiser. As I always say, searching would've saved this mess.

Listen to the elders, they may be sarcastic but get these questions multiple times a day..

 

[TheNew6uy]

"kids who know everything". I'll bet you $50 most of us kids i,e labman, apple juice, me et al are older and clearly wiser. As I always say, searching would've saved this mess.

Listen to the elders, they may be sarcastic but get these questions multiple times a day..

I KNOW THEY KNOW MORE THAN I DO. WHAT'S SO HARD TO GRASP ABOUT THAT? Why else would I have come here and asked questions in the first place? It's NOT that hard to understand.

I just can't figure out why everyone keeps telling me "You know, they know more than you do". Like, haven't I already said over, and over, and over that I know that. If I didn't, you think I would be asking for help? NO. I would have solved my own problem since I supposedly know everything.

I also say "kids that know everything" because many here constantly keep touting how much of an expert they are and "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY KNOWLEDGE I AM MAC SUPER EXPERT GOD GUY". That's all that has ever been thrown in my face since I said "Well, I've downgraded without blobs before". You know what would have been a simple response? "Oh, well you probably downgraded to a firmware that didn't need blobs" or something! Nope.

 

[Sedrick]

I always equate forums with bars. Say you come into a new bar with the OP's attitude. How long do you think it'd be before he got tossed out on his ass?

 

[EvanLugh]

I KNOW THEY KNOW MORE THAN I DO. WHAT'S SO HARD TO GRASP ABOUT THAT? Why else would I have come here and asked questions in the first place? It's NOT that hard to understand.

I just can't figure out why everyone keeps telling me "You know, they know more than you do". Like, haven't I already said over, and over, and over that I know that. If I didn't, you think I would be asking for help? NO. I would have solved my own problem since I supposedly know everything.

I also say "kids that know everything" because many here constantly keep touting how much of an expert they are and "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY KNOWLEDGE I AM MAC SUPER EXPERT GOD GUY". That's all that has ever been thrown in my face since I said "Well, I've downgraded without blobs before". You know what would have been a simple response? "Oh, well you probably downgraded to a firmware that didn't need blobs" or something! Nope.

I think/know you misinterpreted my post. I wasn't adding insult to injury, just pointing out in a different way what the poster above me has said.
Also, don't quote things people haven't said, you've made your own assumptions on said reactions. And it's how you're dealing/writing back that's causing some of the aggro.

Personally, I think if you've received the answer to your question, you should let this thread die.

-E

 

[TheNew6uy]

I think/know you misinterpreted my post. I wasn't adding insult to injury, just pointing out in a different way what the poster above me has said.
Also, don't quote things people haven't said, you've made your own assumptions on said reactions. And it's how you're dealing/writing back that's causing some of the aggro.

Personally, I think if you've received the answer to your question, you should let this thread die.

-E

I quote it because that's how people feel. As soon as I claimed that I did jail break without blobs, people were offended (I can see because I gave them an instance where they claimed it's completely impossible then I did "the impossible" so it, at least to them, makes them look bad).

I'll help you out.

Me: guess I could, but I really doubt it has anything to do with memory. I haven't had an issue until I messed with jail breaking. Besides, the BSoD would have been more relevant to memory (as I'm writing this, my iPhone went in and out of recovery mode. iTunes just popped up saying that my iPhone is in recovery mode). You know? Like it was referring to my USB port. It also happened right as my iPhone randomly disconnected. I really suspect it was due to my iPhone.

I have a second installation of XP on this computer (explains where I got a fresh hosts file from). I can try it from there. For now, I'll wait until my iOS 5 download is done, and see if that works.

Update: HOLD UP. I think I got it. I put it in pwned DFU mode and restored like normal (no Shift+Restore). Now it's preparing the iPhone for restoration and has a progress bar that's moving on the iPhone screen. Looks fixed to me

Juiced: You can never downgrade without blobs period.
Not possible.

Me: Not true. I've downgraded without blobs. Referring to my OP, I did it in the past when I did my first jail break. I never read anything or heard anything about blobs.

Here's a post where someone did do it (it is referring to iOS 5 beta but it could work with iOS 5 RC. Someone on here referred someone else who asked a very similar question to mine to ANOTHER post here on macrumors).

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1206886/

Update: Phone is restoring from backup (MONTH OLD. fail on my part). Looks like I'm good to go. Hopefully we'll see a jail break for iOS 5 soon.

Then proceeds all of the replies how "Nope. Not possible. Doesn't matter that you think you did it. You really didn't." Oh and there was this reply.

labman: What is this today with Newbies trying to correct veterans here. honestly if you are correct just go ahead and do it (school us) . since people here don't know what they are talking about..


Why would the Dev-Team bring up Shsh blobs for 3GS-I4 to begin with! if you don't need them to downgrade?

Juiced: Yep, you're clueless.
Im not even gonna bother. Yes, you can do it, just keep trying.
It will work


See? This condescending crap is pissing me off. Like "Oh you silly kid. You just thought you jail broke it. In reality you didn't." As soon as I show any resistance or ask any further questions, they just go "Fine whatever. Do what you want. We're not going to help you. You asked too many questions and think we don't know what you're talking about. You know everything". Yeah? That's not cool. They brought all of that first before I did. I don't like leaving on a note where I'm the one at fault. Especially when I'm still being accused of things I clearly accept or whatever (like I think I know more than people here and what not and I accept I know little to nothing yet I still get accused).

 

[EvanLugh]

I'm kind of fed up of your condescending posts, however had you done some more research (even in the first page if the iPad hacks forum, for example ) you'd understand the whole blob situation.

And thanks for the offer,but I don't need you to help me out. I was simply backing up what the posters had already said to you, incase you thought it was false or invalid advice.

Insulting people on the forums is also no way of getting respect. Yes this may just be the internet, but you came here asking for help.

Also, like I said before, these typed of questions you posted are put up here daily, where a simple google or search of the forums would have provided the relevant answers; which is why some users get snarky, or use short replies without explaining to the OP why.

FWIW regarding a certain paragraph of your text, blobs were a necessity, however apple has changed the authentication/activation method, which is why they are no longer relevant (on the newer firmware).

I hope this can clear some of this up for you, and don't take things in such a personal way.
As you can see I'd already alerted the moderators towards some of your abusive and incoherent posts, and like I said before, I'd recommended ignoring this thread from now on, and waiting for the relevant jailbreak to come out. For all we know you could hopefully one day become a valuable source of information and a good contributor to the forum.

-E

 

[MaxBurn]

Amusing read. I'm going to bed with a smile, thanks.

 

[hackthatphone]

Why is this thread 2 pages long and still actively being discussed?

It should have ended with the first reply that you need shshs to downgrade.

There is no method to do this without shshs unless you are within a signing window where you can still go back to the firmware being replaced.

 

[Xb0xGuru]

I agree with the above.

OP - you have two options.

1. Find your SHSH blobs for 4.3.3.

2. Accept it can't be done.

There are NO other alternatives.

 

[labman]

lets just let the thread die! Even if the TS did it without blobs nobody here knows how they did it. There for we can't help! Good Luck happy hunting!

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Would this work?

Just wondering, but would it be possible to back up specific apps that allow it, do a factory reset and install iOS of choice? You could reinstall apps that store data on a server and most other apps you have on your iPod. No full backup, so you wouldn't have to worry about blobs right? Seems it would be possible with minimum data loss. Plz tell me if I'm right or wrong.

 

[Applejuiced]

Just wondering, but would it be possible to back up specific apps that allow it, do a factory reset and install iOS of choice? You could reinstall apps that store data on a server and most other apps you have on your iPod. No full backup, so you wouldn't have to worry about blobs right? Seems it would be possible with minimum data loss. Plz tell me if I'm right or wrong.

No idea where you're getting at?
Backup what apps and how would they allow you to restore to older firmware without shsh blobs? Doesnt make any sense.
You wont be able to restore to older firmware period, the apps installed on the iphone have nothing to do with that process.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

Sorry. Ok what I'm saying is that you can do a full reset of your iPod. Completely start over with no firmware installed. Download the ispw file of the firmware you want. Then disconnect from the Internet. When you hook your device up to install firmware it should ask which version you want to use. You just choose the one you want. It would be like if you got it new out of the box, right? You wouldn't need shsh blobs because you wouldn't need any form of a backup, right? The thing about the apps is just so you lose less than if you started over. Some can transfer save files to iTunes without needing to be stored in a backup. But would my idea work?

 

[Applejuiced]

Sorry. Ok what I'm saying is that you can do a full reset of your iPod. Completely start over with no firmware installed. Download the ispw file of the firmware you want. Then disconnect from the Internet. When you hook your device up to install firmware it should ask which version you want to use. You just choose the one you want. It would be like if you got it new out of the box, right? You wouldn't need shsh blobs because you wouldn't need any form of a backup, right? The thing about the apps is just so you lose less than if you started over. Some can transfer save files to iTunes without needing to be stored in a backup. But would my idea work?

You're making many mistakes on the steps and I think you dont also have a full understanding on how shsh blobs work and what they do.
First you cant start over with no firmware installed on your ipod or iphone. Its not a PC where you can format the drive and have nothing on it. It has to have some kind of OS. Second if you disconnect from the internet itunes will not let you restore any firmware on it cause it wont be able to communicate with Apples servers.
No, your idea would not even come close to working.
Many many hackers that are 100 times better than me and you have worked on the shsh blob workaround and obviously is not that simple as you think cause we still have no solution other than using Cydias server and tinyumbrella to replay older saved blobs in order to restore. No blobs either released by Apple or saved locally or on cydias server then no restore to older firmware period.

 

[Crystal-RX]

Sorry. Ok what I'm saying is that you can do a full reset of your iPod. Completely start over with no firmware installed. Download the ispw file of the firmware you want. Then disconnect from the Internet. When you hook your device up to install firmware it should ask which version you want to use. You just choose the one you want. It would be like if you got it new out of the box, right? You wouldn't need shsh blobs because you wouldn't need any form of a backup, right? The thing about the apps is just so you lose less than if you started over. Some can transfer save files to iTunes without needing to be stored in a backup. But would my idea work?

Your idea will not work.

You need to learn lot of things about Idevices and how they works before posting more. I don't want to to make a fool out of yourself.

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

So theres no way to get your iPod back to the way it was when you first bought it?

 

[Crystal-RX]

So theres no way to get your iPod back to the way it was when you first bought it?

I am not familiar with Ipod. However, for example Iphone 3G, do you not need blob for firmware below 4.x.x. So, you can downgrade Iphone 3G back to older version without any problem.

So, which generation is your Ipod touch?

 

[SoggyBottomBoy]

4G 32gig

 

[Crystal-RX]

4G 32gig

I did a little searching and according to what I found. Your Ipod touch needs to have SHSH blobs save before it can be downgrade.

What are the people in Ipod touch sub-forum say on this?

 

[DanielKnew]

How To Downgrade IOS 5.0.1

I just downgraded from IOS 5.0.1 to 4.1 with out having the blobs, you dont need them because apple is still signing 4.1 (which hasn't been posted in this thread yet), although I didnt do it on an iphone 4 (which will be posted in this thread soon) so I cant say that it will or will not work for everyone.

Im not saying everyone will want 4.1, but I did! Just until theres a JB for the operating system of my choice in the future.

So for anyone wanting to downgrade from ios5.0.1 you can try with 4.1

 

[Crystal-RX]

I just downgraded from IOS 5.0.1 to 4.1 with out having the blobs, you dont need them because apple is still signing 4.1, although I didnt do it on an iphone 4 so I cant say that it will or will not work for everyone, but he did say that he chose 4.3.3 just because it was Jail breakable, and 4.1 is able.

Im not saying everyone will want 4.1, but I did! Just until theres a JB for the operating system of my choice in the future.

So for anyone wanting to downgrade from ios5.0.1 you can try with 4.1

What Applejuice was saying that for 3GS and Iphone 4, you can't downgrade firmware without SHSH blobs save. This is correct. Obviously, you can downgrade or upgrade to any firmware you want as long as Apple still signs it.

For 3GS, for some reason, Apple still signs 4.1 (beside the current 5.0.1) and that the reason 3GS can downgrade to 4.1 without the need of SHSH blob save. This is not news here. You can look at posts Applejuice and I posts on this topic in here for the last months till now.

For iphone 4, the only firmware Apple is signing now 5.0.1. Therefore, you can't downgrade to any firmware without SHSH blobs save.

 

[Applejuiced]

I just downgraded from IOS 5.0.1 to 4.1 with out having the blobs, you dont need them because apple is still signing 4.1, although I didnt do it on an iphone 4 so I cant say that it will or will not work for everyone, but he did say that he chose 4.3.3 just because it was Jail breakable, and 4.1 is able.

Im not saying everyone will want 4.1, but I did! Just until theres a JB for the operating system of my choice in the future.

So for anyone wanting to downgrade from ios5.0.1 you can try with 4.1

What you did is only possible for the 3GS cause Apple still signs 4.1
So again like I said you cannot downgrade with no blobs, Apple still releases blobs for that device only on that firmware version. If they didn't and you didn't have saved them before that would not be possible with no blobs.

 

[DanielKnew]

What you did is only possible for the 3GS cause Apple still signs 4.1
Apple still releases blobs for that device only on that firmware version. If they didn't and you didn't have saved them before that would not be possible with no blobs.

If i didn't have them saved and if apple didn't still sign them,.....well if "ifs and buts were candies and nuts, then we would all have a merry Christmas!" apple still releases the blobs for ios 4.1, there for i dont need them saved in order to downgrade from ios5.0.1 and presto!

thanks for clearing that up mate!

oh yeah it also works for the ipod. i verified it on the 3rg gen touch, thats all for my apple products

 

[Applejuiced]

If i didn't have them saved and if apple didn't still sign them,.....well if "ifs and buts were candies and nuts, then we would all have a merry Christmas!" apple still releases the blobs for ios 4.1, there for i dont need them saved in order to downgrade from ios5.0.1 and presto!

thanks for clearing that up mate!

oh yeah it also works for the ipod. i verified it on the 3rg gen touch, thats all for my apple products

Glad it worked out for you.
Just letting you know its only for the 3GS and your version of ipod touch.
There's still shsh blobs that come into play and always needed in order to downgrade that's all. In your case its coming from Apple for some odd reason that they forgot to close that window for 4.1.
Just letting others know how it works and why.
Take care.