How Face ID will work

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by Nalmond92, Aug 26, 2017.

  1. Nalmond92 macrumors regular

    Apr 26, 2013
    I've been trying to think about this 'differently' for a while and think I've come up with an apple like solution that explains the lack of Touch ID and how they will help make face ID secure and it's so incredibly simple.

    First and foremost, Touch ID was never meant to be destined for this phone. Touch ID was the back up incase Face ID wasn't ready. The position irrelevant

    Secondly for security, it's simple. It will just always be scanning for your face. Doesn't detect your face, the phone locks. Like Touch ID, you'll be able to set up multiple faces so if you want your partner to have access to your phone, when you pass it, scans their faces recognises it so the browsing experience continues - all automatically.

    Regarding payments, only the first that was registered can process a payment
  2. SSAJ macrumors 6502

    Aug 30, 2016
    I think it would be really cool for apple to embed the touch id into the apple logo at the back this would be so cool
  3. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 28, 2017
    It would be maximally lame and terrible design and Apple wouldn't dream of doing it.
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    Two words for you:


  4. titrau macrumors 65816


    Aug 16, 2017
    Can new iphone work voice recognize unlock ?????

    let say i want to set >>> chow chow chow via my voice
    and i just speak out >>> chow chow chow

    unlock thru

  5. silverblack macrumors 68030


    Nov 27, 2007
    All of the OP suggested are already available on Samsung S8. That is, technology is ready, it's up to whether Apple chooses to.
  6. 960design macrumors 68030

    Apr 17, 2012
    Destin, FL
    Forwarding the information to NSA and tracking everyone. Sounds good to me.
  7. DNichter macrumors G3


    Apr 27, 2015
    Philadelphia, PA
    Samsung's implementation is bit different. Not the same technology. Samsung scans a 2D picture of your face, which is why it can easily be breached with a picture. Apple is supposed to be using 3D scanning to basically capture a 3D model of your face/head. This way it is much more secure and cannot be easily hacked (unless someone makes a clay model of your head or something). It's basically a mini kinect inside your phone.
  8. Nalmond92 thread starter macrumors regular

    Apr 26, 2013
    I mean, if you really think that then cool bro. You must carry tin foil with you everywhere you go...
  9. shyam09 macrumors 68020


    Oct 31, 2010
    It's not like the NSA doesn't know everything about you already. Now they know what time I'm taking a dump. Good luck with that info.
  10. RootBeerMan macrumors 65816


    Jan 3, 2016
    Not sure how it's going to work on the new iPhones. In real life facial recognition requires little tweaks. My drivers license picture is based on facial recognition and requires you to remove your glasses. Will Apple's version require the same? It would be a pain to have to remove my glasses all the time to activate my phone.
  11. 960design macrumors 68030

    Apr 17, 2012
    Destin, FL
    The comment was tongue-in-cheek, but I did not think about that. Now, I'll start getting laxative advertisements just when they are needed!
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    It was tongue-in-cheek... NSA's latest tech renders tin foil transparent to tracking.
    Apparently large amounts of body hair does scatter the tracking satellites. That's why it is still so hard to find a yeti, sasquatch or skunk ape.
  12. The Game 161 macrumors P6

    The Game 161

    Dec 15, 2010
  13. Phil in ocala Suspended

    Phil in ocala

    Jul 14, 2016
    This is an apple solution to a non-existent will not stop thieves from taking it, only using it....
  14. joeblow7777 macrumors 603

    Sep 7, 2010
    If you are seriously concerned about this you should not be carrying or using a cellphone at all. It already has the capability to record everything you say and track and transmit your movements, and record images of your face every time you look at it.

    Not that I was ever worried about this in the first place, but Apple's stance on protecting personal information was proven a while back when they refused to help the US government access the phone of a terror suspect, and it took the freakin' FBI weeks to get into a locked iPhone 5c without them. So yeah, if Apple wouldn't compromise the phone of a terrorist, what are the odds that they are sending your data to the NSA? I'm all for protecting privacy, but what most paranoid people need to realize is that you're simply not important enough to be spied on.
  15. Infiniverse48 macrumors 6502a

    Jun 28, 2017
    No idea what you're talking about
  16. Starfyre macrumors 68030


    Nov 7, 2010
    How will it work? It will work out to be less convenient than TouchID for payments.
  17. Dave245 macrumors 604


    Sep 15, 2013
    Wait until Tuesday and we will find out, I don't believe this tho Apple will have thought about all of this. They have been working on "Face ID" for many years!
  18. titrau macrumors 65816


    Aug 16, 2017
    Apple can bring face scann to iphone that mean they can do further technology than that , i believe they can do below too .... [​IMG]
  19. vladi macrumors 6502

    Jan 30, 2010
    Biometrics really have no place on the mobile phones.

    Fingerprint sensor was nothing more than a convenient feature for those who were too bothered to use pin every time they want to use the phone. Then again you have to ask yourself why do you have to lock the phone in the first place. I've never had to lock the phone in my life. But once you make your phone do-it-all in your life such as unlocking your home, turning on lights, making payments, etc. everything your phone is not supposed to do then you are ready to take the risk of your life being exposed due to single split second moment of carelessness in the Starbucks when you walkaway with your phone still being on the table. Problem is you are already exposing yourself to the company who provides you with the security from other people. Someone at Google, let's say an employee who has access to your data, can do so much more harm to you than anyone who finds your phone and sees few naked pictures. I'm talking from experience here. Social hacking in Google is thriving. Tesla is collecting all the driving data as well but the kicker is they tie it down with the owner ID no matter if it's an individual or company. So far I haven't heard from them selling the data but again I won't be surprised if they did.

    "Convenience" of not having to carry cash nor keys and "Free stuff" such as webmail, maps and many other services got this society so far they are even ready to shell out $1,000 just so they could give away their life in live feed. I cannot comment on Apple but I won't be surprised if they are no different than Google. They both are no different than Android spyware flashlight app in the app store either.

    Before you say to yourself "I have nothing in my life to hide from AAPL/GOOG/MSFT" then ask yourself why do you lock your phone against individuals. Consumers are at wrong here, big time wrong because they are allowing their life data to be taken up free of charge and sold over and over again. Companies can do it cause there is no dedicated law that goes against user habits mining and user cannot protect her or his data in any way. It's not much about privacy as much as it's about being used and abused in exchange for webmail account.
  20. AsherN macrumors 6502

    May 11, 2016
    So, I want to show a friend the pictures on my phone. I unlock it and pass it to him. It locks again. I have to fo through the face enrollment for that 1 time? SMH.
  21. 960design macrumors 68030

    Apr 17, 2012
    Destin, FL
    Not concerned at all... tongue and cheek, so to say.
  22. redman042 macrumors 68030


    Jun 13, 2008
    Here's a more important question. If we get our new iPhone X before the end of October, how are we going to unlock it on Halloween?? I bet Apple didn't think of that!

  23. WilliamG macrumors G3

    Mar 29, 2008
    I'm going to assume if you wanted a friend to see your phone, you'd just use the generic pin-code unlock like you do currently.
  24. betabeta macrumors 6502a

    Jun 28, 2013
    Yeah, and going to suck for people working at Disney who have full face makeup or masks, or people in plays that just want to take a quick look at their phone. Yeah sure typing in password, but it’s not really a solution if what the person had before was great for them and now becomes frustrating.

    TouchID really would be a good backup and offer twice the security for banking, but oh well.
  25. jamesrick80 macrumors 68020


    Sep 12, 2014
    Samsung's face recognition is not easily hacked. People are setting it up wrong. Please Read:

    Samsung has been at the forefront of mobile security for years, from its Knox sandboxing technology to the latest in biometric scanning tools. The Galaxy Note 8 adds in a facial recognition feature on top of all the other biometric scanning utilities on the device. This feature isn’t new to Android, but it’s something that hasn’t been revisited in years, and Samsung has rebuilt this feature to make it more secure. While they’ve been light on details, and despite some erroneous viral videos that have been floating around the web, it’s quite difficult to trick the phone into unlocking itself with a picture or video of a registered face; so long as the right checkboxes aren’t enabled of course.


    By default Samsung enables the “faster recognition” feature, something many users might skip past without realizing it. Truth be told, I can’t figure out why in the world this would be a default setting, as the more secure method isn’t just more secure, it only takes a second or two to recognize my face, even in dark conditions. The “faster recognition” mode is easy to trick with a picture or video, and certainly makes it less of a security method than it should be. This feature shouldn’t even be available, given the speed and ease of unlocking when it’s not enabled, as it opens unnecessary security holes in an otherwise very secure phone.

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