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I just wish they would fixthe keyboard high pitch noise for good.

I agree. It's the only thing stopping me from re-ordering. The keyboard is such a fundamental part of any machine, which makes the asking price and premium tag a nonsense.

I understand what others say about the squeaking or lack of consistency in the keyboard not bothering them, but consistency is a mark of quality, and this iteration doesn't have it.
 
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Under settings you can set the touch bar to represent the old functionality of the perfectly. Every key as was there on the models will be there again. I have mine set this way.

Thank you for your reply.

However, it is impossible to simply have a row of function keys showing as before or to make the esc key displayed all the time. And this has been confirmed by Genius Bar. It is possible to have the row of keys showing brightness, volume, etc. Except when it too goes to sleep and requires two stabs at the touch bar.

I still have other issues, regrets, longings . . . For example the MagSafe. However as also noted, there are good things such as footprint, weight, screen. Battery seems better with new battery replacement, so jury is still out.

In any event, I bought. I own it. Will temper my expectations.
 
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My two problems with the machine are:

1. The trackpad is so big that it can easily detect thumb and index finger at the same time and result in some jerky cursor motion.

2. Quartz is slightly sluggish at retina resolutions. When I plug into a 1200p monitor I'm happier.

Other than that it's a good machine.
 
Yes very, I had the 2006 MBP the battery exploded years ago the optical drive same deal. It still works but I could not upgrade anymore so I went shopping. There were many choices even win10 machines were actually good. Apple has always impressed me with the best hardware and software and I can't deny my last MBP lasted a very long time.
I'm really confused at all the negative posts.
I also have android machines and one windows desktop. Apple is my favorite
 
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However, it is impossible to simply have a row of function keys showing as before or to make the esc key displayed all the time. And this has been confirmed by Genius Bar. It is possible to have the row of keys showing brightness, volume, etc. Except when it too goes to sleep and requires two stabs at the touch bar.
Eh? As much as I (like you) dislike a lot of things about this machine, that's possible—unless there's a use case you're aware of that I'm not. If you set in "Keyboard" the Touch Bar to show "Expanded Control Strip," and you make sure "Esc" is on the far left of your customized expanded control strip, then Esc will (almost) always be displayed. I finally have mine set up just like my old 2014 MBP.

I guess it's a separate issue that I'm trying to get a new computer to behave like an old one. And I still miss the tactile feedback of the old Fn bar. Not a good sign.
 
Eh? As much as I (like you) dislike a lot of things about this machine, that's possible—unless there's a use case you're aware of that I'm not. If you set in "Keyboard" the Touch Bar to show "Expanded Control Strip," and you make sure "Esc" is on the far left of your customized expanded control strip, then Esc will (almost) always be displayed. I finally have mine set up just like my old 2014 MBP.

I guess it's a separate issue that I'm trying to get a new computer to behave like an old one. And I still miss the tactile feedback of the old Fn bar. Not a good sign.

Thank you for your reply. Yes, you are correct, you get the extended keys, but not the function keys. And I do agree, I do miss the tactile feel. Also, I do have an issue with resting my fingers just above the touchbar when pausing, thinking, etc. While not touching, the proximity causes the said key to react: display goes dark, or too bright, volume increases or decreases, etc. Annoying.

However, have the machine so will do the best to adapt and find work arounds. If I could to it again, I am uncertain as to whether or not I would purchase. . .
 
Thank you for your reply. Yes, you are correct, you get the extended keys, but not the function keys. And I do agree, I do miss the tactile feel. Also, I do have an issue with resting my fingers just above the touchbar when pausing, thinking, etc. While not touching, the proximity causes the said key to react: display goes dark, or too bright, volume increases or decreases, etc. Annoying.

However, have the machine so will do the best to adapt and find work arounds. If I could to it again, I am uncertain as to whether or not I would purchase. . .
You can't make the buttons stop going to sleep, but you can customize and rearrange the bar so that if you accidentally touch it nothing annoying happens. Better Touch Tool gives more options that way.
 
Three weeks ago I bought my first 2016 MBP, it was a 15" i7, 16GB, 512Gb TB.
I used it for a week, it was perfect from a functional standpoint, however it was too big for me, I returned it.

I ordered a 13" i7, 16Gb, 512GB TB and have now used this one for two weeks, and apart form one wake/sleep crash one week into using it it also is perfect, I will keep this one for many years to come :)
 
Thank you for your reply. Yes, you are correct, you get the extended keys, but not the function keys. And I do agree, I do miss the tactile feel. Also, I do have an issue with resting my fingers just above the touchbar when pausing, thinking, etc. While not touching, the proximity causes the said key to react: display goes dark, or too bright, volume increases or decreases, etc. Annoying.

However, have the machine so will do the best to adapt and find work arounds. If I could to it again, I am uncertain as to whether or not I would purchase. . .
Yup, sounds like we feel similarly. I have it set to do the Fn keys as the alternate layout when you hit Fn. But it still isn't ideal for me. And like you, I seem to accidentally hit touchbar keys way too often too. I had to take the sleep one off my bar for exactly that reason.

I have 8 days left in my return window and still haven't decided. If I don't find a buyer for my old one on Craiglist at a price I'm satisfied with by then, it's most likely going back. Sadly, this is the first time in almost 30 years of using Apple products that I can say that.
 
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I have little to no faith that the keyboard will be reliable.

Where are the TB3 dock solutions?

Why couldn't I have touchID without the stupid TouchBar.

Other then that its a solid PC.
 
You can't make the buttons stop going to sleep, but you can customize and rearrange the bar so that if you accidentally touch it nothing annoying happens. Better Touch Tool gives more options that way.

Thank you for your reply. Would very much like to know how to do this . . . Genius Bar was unable to assist. For example, I take it to mean you can reduce the sensitivity of the TB so that it does not react with even very close proximity to fingers or if the fingers indeed lightly brush the TB. That would be of great assistance. Also, unable to, or at least with Genius, to combine extended TB with the FK's.

Much appreciated.
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Yup, sounds like we feel similarly. I have it set to do the Fn keys as the alternate layout when you hit Fn. But it still isn't ideal for me. And like you, I seem to accidentally hit touchbar keys way too often too. I had to take the sleep one off my bar for exactly that reason.

I have 8 days left in my return window and still haven't decided. If I don't find a buyer for my old one on Craiglist at a price I'm satisfied with by then, it's most likely going back. Sadly, this is the first time in almost 30 years of using Apple products that I can say that.

Corporately, given the less than enthusiastic response to the new iteration of the MBP, now running some limited testing of XP15 inch. However, there is a cost to switching from one ecosystem to another. And perhaps this is why Apple is really a consumer company as opposed to a corporate company. Meaning that MS has always better understood lifecycle, stability, ability to upgrade, extend, etc. Granted, there are also negatives.

The consideration of Wintel is a first in almost two decades. To be clear there are are many good things about the MBP. However, the niggling small things that reduce function are a constant reminder, an irritant similar to a sliver in your finger. Or a thorn in your foot.

It almost seems as if Apple wants to make the MBP an iPhone. And to be fair that might be what the vast majority of their customers want. However, for me, and my team, rather than have Smileys appear, I would like a menu of formulae symbols, or the computer, like my BB, so realise I am writing a technical word, I have typed 100's of times, for a suggestion. Or have the suggestions appear quickly enough so I am not waiting. It would have been better if Apple worked with software partners to introduce programs that take advantage of the TB at the time of launch.

The issues just continue to remind, to niggle and frustrate. I am back to typing class, as it were, so that I type with my wrists lifted and thumbs not touching the computer so that I do not activate the massive touch pad.

Deep breath....Will continue to look for solutions and give the machine a fair shake for six or eight months.
 
Thank you for your reply. Would very much like to know how to do this . . . Genius Bar was unable to assist. For example, I take it to mean you can reduce the sensitivity of the TB so that it does not react with even very close proximity to fingers or if the fingers indeed lightly brush the TB. That would be of great assistance. Also, unable to, or at least with Genius, to combine extended TB with the FK's.

Much appreciated.

That would be nice, but I don't think you can reduce the sensitivity. But you can move stuff away from the parts you touch accidentally. I saw a screenshot of a TB that had the esc button in the middle, and nothing to the left of it. That was done with Better Touch Tool, presumably by someone who was touching the TB accidentally on the left side. If it's annoying enough, with a little work I think you can set up the TB to show nothing of consequence unless you press the fn key. That way, you never trigger something accidentally. Don't know of a way to show the function keys plus the control strip at the same time using the normal Apple software, but it may possibly be something Better Touch Tool could manage. Wish I knew more about it, but I haven't tried this stuff myself.
 
That would be nice, but I don't think you can reduce the sensitivity. But you can move stuff away from the parts you touch accidentally. I saw a screenshot of a TB that had the esc button in the middle, and nothing to the left of it. That was done with Better Touch Tool, presumably by someone who was touching the TB accidentally on the left side. If it's annoying enough, with a little work I think you can set up the TB to show nothing of consequence unless you press the fn key. That way, you never trigger something accidentally. Don't know of a way to show the function keys plus the control strip at the same time using the normal Apple software, but it may possibly be something Better Touch Tool could manage. Wish I knew more about it, but I haven't tried this stuff myself.

Yes, annoying. And as I noted the Genius team did not have answers. Although they did not there are hundreds of pages of entries into their logs with myriad of unsolved issues.

It seems, to be optimistic, that the TB is a good idea, just poorly implemented. Or perhaps rushed into production before it was fully developed....As I noted elsewhere, it should have had a few more bugs, and better integration with software packages, at leas the major products. Ultimately, I think what I find most frustrating is the loss of functionality. I expect better from Apple, even if the loss is possibly only temporary.
 
As I noted elsewhere, it should have had a few more bugs
Maybe they'll include some nice bugs in the next OS update so that forum members have something to complain about :)

Jokes aside... I'm very happy with my maxed-out 15" MBP. I wish it had a 32GB RAM option (I work with very large datasets and that amount would be enough to ditch my desktop and make the MBP my all-in-one machine), but overall it's hard to complain, it's an amazing laptop.
The only hardware issues I experienced so far (touching wood...) have been with the keyboard, I like it but individual keys are sometimes prone to problems such as registering presses incorrectly and/or making a "sticky" sound when the machine heats up. I also observed some software glitches which are presumably due to poor optimization, but those are obviously not a problem of the machine itself.
 
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Yes, annoying. And as I noted the Genius team did not have answers. Although they did not there are hundreds of pages of entries into their logs with myriad of unsolved issues.

It seems, to be optimistic, that the TB is a good idea, just poorly implemented. Or perhaps rushed into production before it was fully developed....As I noted elsewhere, it should have had a few more bugs, and better integration with software packages, at leas the major products. Ultimately, I think what I find most frustrating is the loss of functionality. I expect better from Apple, even if the loss is possibly only temporary.

Yeah, hopefully there will be more options in coming updates. The thing I like least, that it goes to sleep, is something they probably won't be able to change, due to the tendency of OLED to burn in.
 
Having been able to test one out I do have to say I'm impressed with the MacBook Pro 13" with Touch Bar I don't think some give it enough credit to be honest.

I agree with these reviews https://televisionmagnets.wordpress...th-touch-bar-hands-on/?frame-nonce=143bb81f2a

http://www.techrepublic.com/article...-cons-of-the-macbook-pro-2016-with-touch-bar/

I was struck by how the overall foot print of the MacBook Pro has been reduced and also Touch Bar seems

It also appears as tho the battery life issues have been solved

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...ps-to-match-or-beat-advertised-battery-claims
 
I have both a 13 TB and 15 TB, along with a nice LG ultra fine.

All these things are improvements. Maybe only a bit more than marginal, but improved in almost every area.

There's sound reasoning for thinner and lighter, but to each their own.

I will say, I get no use out of the touch bar, and I actually think this it is a waste of money and a lame attempt at innovation. Then again, others may love it. Don't know. It's not a BAD thing, I just would rather not pay for it.
 
I have both a 13 TB and 15 TB, along with a nice LG ultra fine.

All these things are improvements. Maybe only a bit more than marginal, but improved in almost every area.

There's sound reasoning for thinner and lighter, but to each their own.

I will say, I get no use out of the touch bar, and I actually think this it is a waste of money and a lame attempt at innovation. Then again, others may love it. Don't know. It's not a BAD thing, I just would rather not pay for it.

I agree. The touch bar is cool and makes the laptop look a bit more futuristic but it's completely unnecessary until they find a way to make it valuable. Other than that, the fit and finish of this machine is 10/10.
 
Having been able to test one out I do have to say I'm impressed with the MacBook Pro 13" with Touch Bar I don't think some give it enough credit to be honest.

I agree with these reviews https://televisionmagnets.wordpress...th-touch-bar-hands-on/?frame-nonce=143bb81f2a

http://www.techrepublic.com/article...-cons-of-the-macbook-pro-2016-with-touch-bar/

I was struck by how the overall foot print of the MacBook Pro has been reduced and also Touch Bar seems

It also appears as tho the battery life issues have been solved

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...ps-to-match-or-beat-advertised-battery-claims
That last article is good about the battery and I like that graph showing each PC makers claim and real world, only Apple is hitting the claim vs real world figures.

I had (2) 2016 MBP and both had excellent battery life in fact I was getting over 10 hrs on my daily use. However I tested them in Jan and Feb. It's a fact that consumers were having issues with battery life when units were released, look at all the consumers on just this forum who were complaining about battery life back in Nov and Dec 2016.

What I didn't like is how it took consumer reports to bring Apple to get a fix out. I'm not blaming consumer reports but why did Apple not pay attention to the public, real world people, there own user base, who all brought up this issue yet Apple was not responding. The bug was fixed but it only seemed until a big corporation gave a bad review against Apple, until Apple took notice and implanted a fix. Apples user base who buys their products (it's their voices) that should be more important than a publication like consumer reports.
 
I agree. The touch bar is cool and makes the laptop look a bit more futuristic but it's completely unnecessary until they find a way to make it valuable. Other than that, the fit and finish of this machine is 10/10.

I do agree the fit and the finish, as is usually the case with MBP, is exceptional. And of course the footprint.

And with this new battery, I do see much better battery performance. I am beginning to think I can almost make it through a day if I monitor and control screen brightness, BT, etc.
 
More about the touch bar....

Having said it's a little lame, I have some apps that could use it, if you could pick exactly what you want, and maybe some hardware aspects, like time-out, brightness, etc.

If they want to go forward with this, i'm thinking there needs to be some flexibility here. Then again, who knows.
 
What I didn't like is how it took consumer reports to bring Apple to get a fix out. I'm not blaming consumer reports but why did Apple not pay attention to the public, real world people, there own user base, who all brought up this issue yet Apple was not responding. The bug was fixed but it only seemed until a big corporation gave a bad review against Apple, until Apple took notice and implanted a fix. Apples user base who buys their products (it's their voices) that should be more important than a publication like consumer reports.
The bug Consumer Reports found and that Apple fixed had nothing to do with the complaints of real-world users. It was a bug that emerged only when caching was turned off in Safari, something people don't do in ordinary use.
 
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