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That was meant as a joke, Apple is obsessed with thinness at the expense of battery life.
But this is what I mean about alternative facts.
I own both the 13" and 15" touch bar.
With some stuff running and apps open in the background, I still beat my year old rMBP, though at 5 cycles on the tMBP, the system had not fully settled. Both pics from base 15" touch bar with 256 GB SSD.
The above is from the 15" with all updates done. I took my 13" from LA to NJ to PA and the battery was fine all the way.
At the moment, on my 15", I'm at 66% with 5:41 remaining. So it seems I got a thinner machine at no expense of battery life.
R.
I took it to apple authorized reseller, they told me that the screen rattling is normal and within specification, and I have their report with me. and the clicking noise is pretty random and can not be reproduced easily so the told me they did not notice it. cantacted apple and they advised me to try another authorized service provider, I'm extremely busy and don't have time to follow up with this any more.
Is the 13" Touch bar good? I'm currently trying to decide between the 13" and 15" with touch bar, I don't plan on upgrading until later this year, but it's driving me mad, because just when I think I've made my mind up I read or hear something about the other model that makes it sound better. I just wondered how capable the 13" is compared to the 15" MacBook Pro.
I like mine very much. Hardware wise I'm in love with it. It costs more than it probably should, but what are you going to do.
I actually quite like the keyboard. I did have a problem with a stuck key (command). I took it into the Apple Store figuring they could just pop it off and replace it. Instead they replaced the whole machine right then and there with a brand new (non-refurb) one.
The result was I would up keeping my old charger and getting a new one. Which means I can always have one in the bag.
I actually quite like the keyboard. I did have a problem with a stuck key (command). I took it into the Apple Store figuring they could just pop it off and replace it. Instead they replaced the whole machine right then and there with a brand new (non-refurb) one.
The result was I would up keeping my old charger and getting a new one. Which means I can always have one in the bag.
Love my 13 nTB. What i really hate is the dismissal of the MagSafe - as everyone else. Also - the absolute greediness shown by Apple as they don't even include a cord extender for the power supply and have to buy it for 25 bucks.
Also, why don't they include at least some LED indicator on the power charging usb-c cable (which only transmits USB2 speeds btw - another thing which annoys me).
See, i dont mind shelling out big bucks for a laptop. But i absolutely hate being ripped off (magsafe, cables etc). I demand top quality for top price. I did get that for the laptop itself, for the accessories - i still feel a sore bum.
Also, why don't they include at least some LED indicator on the power charging usb-c cable (which only transmits USB2 speeds btw - another thing which annoys me).
See, i dont mind shelling out big bucks for a laptop. But i absolutely hate being ripped off (magsafe, cables etc). I demand top quality for top price. I did get that for the laptop itself, for the accessories - i still feel a sore bum.
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my 2 cents....
I always find it interesting that a minority of people cried that this is not a "pro" machine, yet they couldn't keep their 2K laptops from being swept off the kitchen counter by clumsy feet or an overexcited pet. I have never heard of anyone (except here) professional having a cord disaster. Find a safe place to plug in. How hard can that be?
Furthermore, MagSafe was terrible. It was on the wrong side for me more than half the time. I had two connecters go bad on me at the worst times (80 dollars EACH time to replace) and more than once the silly connector didn't even charge. I still have MagSafe on two machines.
USB-C means I can charge from EITHER side. Fantastic. It also means I can charge and run a monitor with ONE cable. Fantastic. It also means I can swap a cheap cable instead of an expensive MagSafe connector if it fails. Fantastic. And it's also amazing that we can now charge off of power packs which essentially extends the already solid battery life. I'd say the pros easily clobber the cons.
AC cord extender? Yeah, they could have added that. They could have also thrown in a USB adapter and some coupons for Olive Garden, but that's NEVER been how Apple operates.
So far as value goes, I own the 13" and 15" Touchbar. I have no clue as to why people complain about the value. A loaded MacBook Air costs over 1500 dollars. For 250 bucks more you can buy the 13" Touchbar which is VASTLY superior. I also seem to recall paying 2200 dollars for my 2015 rMBP and again the Touchbar is a much nicer machine for a tiny bit more money.
R.
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my 2 cents....
I always find it interesting that a minority of people cried that this is not a "pro" machine, yet they couldn't keep their 2K laptops from being swept off the kitchen counter by clumsy feet or an overexcited pet. I have never heard of anyone (except here) professional having a cord disaster. Find a safe place to plug in. How hard can that be?
Furthermore, MagSafe was terrible. It was on the wrong side for me more than half the time. I had two connecters go bad on me at the worst times (80 dollars EACH time to replace) and more than once the silly connector didn't even charge. I still have MagSafe on two machines.
USB-C means I can charge from EITHER side. Fantastic. It also means I can charge and run a monitor with ONE cable. Fantastic. It also means I can swap a cheap cable instead of an expensive MagSafe connector if it fails. Fantastic. And it's also amazing that we can now charge off of power packs which essentially extends the already solid battery life. I'd say the pros easily clobber the cons.
AC cord extender? Yeah, they could have added that. They could have also thrown in a USB adapter and some coupons for Olive Garden, but that's NEVER been how Apple operates.
So far as value goes, I own the 13" and 15" Touchbar. I have no clue as to why people complain about the value. A loaded MacBook Air costs over 1500 dollars. For 250 bucks more you can buy the 13" Touchbar which is VASTLY superior. I also seem to recall paying 2200 dollars for my 2015 rMBP and again the Touchbar is a much nicer machine for a tiny bit more money.
R.
I got terrific battery life on my 2016 15" between 10-12 hrs but that was only on the iGPU which i found to be laggy. I agree too that battery on the 2016 beats the 2015 by a few hours for me as I tested both side by side however again that was both using only the iGPU.
When I experienced the lag and the spinning wheel and several force closes, I decided to turn off auto switching of graphics and just run it on the dGPU and the lag disappeared and never once did I get a force close or a spinning wheel. However I only got about 5 maybe 6 hrs of battery.
I'm not a pro user so this is all doing light tasks but these are the results I got. I personally felt the 2015 iGPU ran better for me than the 2016 but I liked everything else about the 2016 model. Since I'll basically be using the iGPU 95% of the time, the 2016 one runs too slow and I don't like the form factor of the larger 2015 model so I'm going to wait till the fall to see what 2017 brings.
Regarding thinness and smaller battery, it seems Apple is obsessed with that, while they do manage to increase battery life by making the battery size smaller. My wish is that they increase battery size and double your battery life so the battery is never an issue. This goes for all products not just laptops.
That's true. I have it on good source (my dog) that all professionals exist in a void where no other humans or animals are present and only ever use their laptops on desks with cables all safely hidden where nobody can possibly reach them. /s
Most MBP owners already have one or more of these. I'm glad they didn't make all of us pay for another one. (As for MagSafe, I liked the concept better than the execution. Many people, including me, had failed adapters/ports.)
The most Apple can add to its battery is just under 24 watt-hours, since the FAA limits batteries to under 100. That's about a 30% increase at most. There's room already in the current enclosure for a larger battery. It's not a matter of "obsession" with thinness. Thinness is just one of many things people want in a laptop and that Apple and most other manufacturers achieve as best they can.
The whole point of a laptop is portability, so smaller SIZE is obviously the objective. The only limitations on size should be for the keyboard (ergonomics) and screen size. Battery life should be addressed via improved tech, not by making a portable device larger and heavier.
Now that we have USB-C, you can have a secondary battery as needed or leave it home when you want to carry less.
R.
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Exactly. I have this thing called a DESK. It took me about three minutes to secure the charger so that it could never yank the laptop off. I suppose there are situations where someone might plug their machine in a high traffic area (for some reason) or on a dog run, but again....not in any professional universe I'm aware of.
Don't drink over your keyboard.
Don't plug it in where it isn't safe.
Don't feed Gremlins after midnight.
My 12 year old can adhere to these rules, but we have adult professionals here who can't? USB-C is better than MagSafe. It has more flexibility and is also more economical.
R.
Yet we come full circle because if Apple adds that 24 watts to the 2017 model that would increase weight and they could no longer claim 4lbs and we known weight is more important. I loved the size and weight of the new laptop but I'd also love it even more if it was 4.25lbs with 30% increase in battery.
What's the basis for that? Actually it's been reported that Apple intended to put a heavier battery in the 2016, but it didn't pass some QC tests, so a smaller one was used.
I guess my point is let's assume Apple did decide on that heavier battery then they could not claim 4lbs or .5lb less than last years model. That is unless they went with the heavier battery and still shaved off weight elsewhere to come back to 4lbs. I think it's better marketing for Apple to tout .5lb lighter and shave off battery size than market same weight or only slightly less weight as last year and say we've increase battery 30%. I'm for the latter.
There's no indication they intended to or could have shaved off the added weight. Indications are they intended to use a heavier battery and have a correspondingly heavier machine but it didn't work out.
I am very happy with my baseline baseline 13" non touch bar MacBook Pro 2016. It does everything I need it to (I don't have very high hardware requirements) and battery life is pretty good. Not sure exactly what my numbers are as I don't understand activity monitor's usage times, it like only gives you how long total you've been on battery, not really how much you've used it, etc.
Its not about adding the cord, its about removing it and increasing the price at the same time about 300€.
Also, while i agree on all the potential benefits of the usb-c ports, fact remains that i still charge on the wrong side with my nTB Macbook
Thats how my greed statement is based on.
Also, while i agree on all the potential benefits of the usb-c ports, fact remains that i still charge on the wrong side with my nTB Macbook
Thats how my greed statement is based on.
I agree there's a certain sting somewhere.
I'm not part of the many that have a spare cord extender at home. I'm part of the many that when they sold or gifted on their MAC's. I gave the recipient the whole package including cord and even those little logo stickers I don't have a collection of 10 or 15 power cords by stinting the new owner or a graveyard of old MAC's and cords
Magsafe I'm indifferent to it (just not that clumsy
) other than the 1000's of posts used to demonstrate the prowess of Apples design thoughtfulness over other OEM's only to have them deleted is a small payback for over stating on such a minor nicety.Same as being able to plug in both sides of a laptop
it's no big thing just nice and one-sided power ports is less hassle than dongles for legacy ports etc IMO you gain some you lose some.The now separate power cable to the power brick is a welcome change as at last count I had to buy 5 new power bricks over the years for my sons due to frayed cables but I somehow think this was a poor design by Apple that took way to long to fix and I never had the issue with any other OEM
LED indicators on cables and ports is always a nicety and many other premium OEM's use them
The price increase for the base 15" with 512 GB is $100. That includes the addition of a touch bar and Touch ID, plus ten or so other improvements. If the extension cord were included, that would raise the price further, including for those who either don't need the extra length or who already have one.
I have a few of those extender cords due to failed power supplies and Apple not wanting the cords back, when they replaced them. Good for spares I guess. MagSafe was always a novel idea, but never a necessity for me. I much prefer the the ability to plug into either side and use an external power pack, to the nice, but knock on wood never needed, safety net of MagSafe
I think the battery "issue" needs to end.
Because there is NO battery issue. The issues were resolved with updates and there is great battery life with both machines. Had the machines not had the initial problem (which lasted just a few weeks), no one would be parroting the battery stuff as if it wasn't fixed.
Battery life is BETTER than before and even if was a bit less, so what? I get 8-12 hours on the 15" and 6-9 hours on the 13".
And sometimes even more...
Facts are facts. Let's skip the Alternative tMBP facts.
R.
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Tadaaa! You get it. I wish others would.
R.
Because there is NO battery issue. The issues were resolved with updates and there is great battery life with both machines. Had the machines not had the initial problem (which lasted just a few weeks), no one would be parroting the battery stuff as if it wasn't fixed.
Battery life is BETTER than before and even if was a bit less, so what? I get 8-12 hours on the 15" and 6-9 hours on the 13".
And sometimes even more...
Facts are facts. Let's skip the Alternative tMBP facts.
R.
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Tadaaa! You get it. I wish others would.
R.
When even John "The Apple Watch Will Change How Teens Flirt" Gruber can call out the lack of extension cable as a cheap nickel-and-dime move, you might consider that you're being way too defensive of Apple.
They've included it with literally every prior MacBook Pro for a decade, no matter how ~revolutionary~ they were for their time, with no meaningful impact on the cost to the end-user. If Apple can afford to include one with a $999 MacBook Air they can afford to include one with a $2799 MacBook Pro.
They've included it with literally every prior MacBook Pro for a decade, no matter how ~revolutionary~ they were for their time, with no meaningful impact on the cost to the end-user. If Apple can afford to include one with a $999 MacBook Air they can afford to include one with a $2799 MacBook Pro.
Wouldn't a longer USB-C cord make a LOT more sense and be more portable and friendly rather than stuff the old thick cord into my bag again?
This is a non issue. Sorry.
R.