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my source is all of the swollen batteries and peoples batteries turning to **** very quickly that play games. it just seems like any decent game on a macbook will run the cpu and gpu at about 90C, kind of sucks. i cant wait until i can build my desktop PC that will handle any load at 65C or under and be much more powerful. but for now while im in college and bouncing around everywhere, I need a MBP. then once i build the desktop ill have the best of both worlds.

I, and I'm sure many others by now, have determined that you are a right asshat and should be summarily ignored. Most likely a lonely troll on top of that.
 
I, and I'm sure many others by now, have determined that you are a right asshat and should be summarily ignored. Most likely a lonely troll on top of that.

how am i trolling? its a known fact that high heat negatively effects batteries...and 90C is my idea of high heat. i dont have any factual proof but id be willing to bet that even a constant 80C over the battery will greatly reduce its life.
 
yeah i suppose that sounds right. i dont know about thermal images...i figured they would just sense the hottest are even inside the MBP just like thermal images of a house thats growing pot will show where the hottest area inside of the house is...but since the hottest area in this shot is where the exhaust is pushing out i assume your correct, the thermal image must just be getting the surface.

but that makes me feel better.

im still kinda stumped if i should get the new MBP. i just built an entire gaming PC with a 24" LCD and everything for 1700 bucks and the things a beast!

i would like to have a MBP and a desktop PC personally for games and some production and minimal browsing etc. but idk if i should get the MBP first or the PC.

If you or what you do can done in Windows/Linux and you're fine with the current Mac that you have, then there is no need to spend more money on a new Mac.

If you like working with OS X and you plan to use it as your main all the time (and occasionally game on it), then the 15" MacBook Pro is a great machine.

I don't have the 2.4, but I don't think my computer has ever gotten too hot that it's been a problem.
 
If you or what you do can done in Windows/Linux and you're fine with the current Mac that you have, then there is no need to spend more money on a new Mac.

If you like working with OS X and you plan to use it as your main all the time (and occasionally game on it), then the 15" MacBook Pro is a great machine.

I don't have the 2.4, but I don't think my computer has ever gotten too hot that it's been a problem.

thanks. i do like OSX as my main OS besides when gaming. but if i were to buy a desktop i would get a PC for sure. but i still want a MBP. do you ever game with yours?
 
how am i trolling? its a known fact that high heat negatively effects batteries...and 90C is my idea of high heat. i dont have any factual proof but id be willing to bet that even a constant 80C over the battery will greatly reduce its life.

I don't think the batteries experience temperatures above 60C.

Battery swelling has been reported by many people. In particular:
- it happened on older models that didn't get anywhere as hot as the current model
- happened in weeks/month old machines, very unlikely that heat played a role here
- happened to people who don't game or otherwise cause the notebook to heat up a lot

But go ahead and believe whatever you want.
 
I, and I'm sure many others by now, have determined that you are a right asshat and should be summarily ignored. Most likely a lonely troll on top of that.

I not sure he's a troll. I'm thinking he's just misinformed and/or jumping to conclusions...everybody is an expert. Even me! (not really, but I play one in real life. :D )
 
My Early 2011 2.2Ghz Quad-core has done many 8-hour-long encodings of full 1080p videos. No damage.
Mine tops at 95°C. Never even nears 100°C.
Keyboard gets barely warm, comfortable to use.
 
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damn that sucks. im so hesitant to buy a new MBP i wish apple would just get there **** together.

Dont be, they are fantastic machines, I have never had issue, nor has anyone else I know. Remember forums will always attract those that suffer problems, while the vast majority remain silent ;)

If you solely listen to all the negative comments, then you will never buy a Mac, strangely enough it`s like that on most forums regardless of the manufacturer :p
 
Dont be, they are fantastic machines, I have never had issue, nor has anyone else I know. Remember forums will always attract those that suffer problems, while the vast majority remain silent ;)

If you solely listen to all the negative comments, then you will never buy a Mac, strangely enough it`s like that on most forums regardless of the manufacturer :p

yeah i know this is true. but its also true that most users dont even pay attention to there temps or have a macrumors account lol.
 
how am i trolling? its a known fact that high heat negatively effects batteries...and 90C is my idea of high heat. i dont have any factual proof but id be willing to bet that even a constant 80C over the battery will greatly reduce its life.

Temperature of the CPU is isolated to a specific area of the logic board, if you look at all the sensors a MBP offers you will soon see that the case and battery generally run in the mid thirties, centigrade.

If you are genuinely concerned about temperatures while gaming on a MBP, use an aluminium notebook stand like Rain Design`s iLap, mStand, or the ultra portable Aviq Laptop stand, all of these stands will allow your MBP to radiate more heat from the case. Unless the machine is throttling it`s within the safe working range :apple:
 
diablo 3 = Mbp

Im planning on getting a macbook pro top of the line for diablo 3 as well :D

although i am deffff going to wait for Ivy and the possible redesign first, i really like the current design but after using a mba for so long i would like it shaved half an inch, better gpu instead of an optical drive.
If D3 comes before the respec ill have to test my luck with d3 on a mba 11inch and wait :D

if you think mbp gets hot then try mba.

i don't think heat should be should a concern, i do have a cool pad for when i play sc2 on my mba, will probably use it for d3 as well for prolonged periods of time.

You think a mbp could run d3 on highest settings no problem?

also you mentioned getting the 15" why not go for the 17"?? i love the big screen haha not sure yet though, and i prefer the antiglare cause its less common :cool:
 
Im planning on getting a macbook pro top of the line for diablo 3 as well :D

although i am deffff going to wait for Ivy and the possible redesign first, i really like the current design but after using a mba for so long i would like it shaved half an inch, better gpu instead of an optical drive.
If D3 comes before the respec ill have to test my luck with d3 on a mba 11inch and wait :D

if you think mbp gets hot then try mba.

i don't think heat should be should a concern, i do have a cool pad for when i play sc2 on my mba, will probably use it for d3 as well for prolonged periods of time.

You think a mbp could run d3 on highest settings no problem?

also you mentioned getting the 15" why not go for the 17"?? i love the big screen haha not sure yet though, and i prefer the antiglare cause its less common :cool:

hey man thanks for the post. just curious, whats your cpu temp on your MBA playing SC2? and what do you play it on low? hows the fps? personally i think a top of the line MBP will run d3 on high settings without a problem, but idk about ultra. ill run it on medium with textures on high, just to give me a little bit more fps. btw i think the new redesign pro if slimmer will just run hotter so i dont mind buying the current model.

and i dont have the cash for the 17 incher and i still need to be able to easily throw it in my bag for class and such.
 
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hey man thanks for the post. just curious, whats your cpu temp on your MBA playing SC2? and what do you play it on low? hows the fps? personally i think a top of the line MBP will run d3 on high settings without a problem, but idk about ultra. ill run it on medium with textures on high, just to give me a little bit more fps. btw i think the new redesign pro if slimmer will just run hotter so i dont mind buying the current model.

and i dont have the cash for the 17 incher and i still need to be able to easily throw it in my bag for class and such.


My Macbook air using low settings runs above 100 fps on sc2 :) the temperature with my cool pad is usually about 82 - 85 Celcius, don't know the conversion, and without it it goes about 88 - 94 but it does usually peak and then fall to 88ish, you just have to make sure that you don't cover the back of the laptop, and possible use it on a table so the air can flow underneath it.

You say the redesigned mbp will run hotter because its slimmer, while this may yet be the case Ive Bridge will take about 20% off the power consumption because of the new chip set. this could possibly take off some of the temperature. :eek:
Plus you get that nice "new laptop" look, hopefully there will be some unexpected perks of the new redesign? better cooling? hah, the difference between the TOP 15" and TOP 17" is a mere 100$ so id consider that. but your right it is a hefty weight to carry UNLESS you waited for the Slimmer version?!?!

My 11inch is my portable so I'm a lil biased i guess, but deff these are profession computers, apple wouldn't put in a good graphics card if it knew it could do any detrimental damage do to over use, they are built to sustain.

Back to the SC2 subject, SC2 unlike I'm sure D3 is that sc relays mainly on CPU and uses a lot of memory, its not a hefty gpu related game, d3 will be quite the opposite. Again, i don't mean to discourage, but Ivy bridge is supposed to bring 30% better graphics abilities regardless, if I'm not mistaken, thus requires less strain on the card and produces again less heat. ;)
 
do you ever game with yours?

I occasionally I pick up a shooter and play for a few hours. Seems to run the latest titles like BF3 and MW3 well enough at native resolution.

Sure the fans spin up and it's get loud, but I've never had any issues otherwise.
 
My Macbook air using low settings runs above 100 fps on sc2 :) the temperature with my cool pad is usually about 82 - 85 Celcius, don't know the conversion, and without it it goes about 88 - 94 but it does usually peak and then fall to 88ish, you just have to make sure that you don't cover the back of the laptop, and possible use it on a table so the air can flow underneath it.

You say the redesigned mbp will run hotter because its slimmer, while this may yet be the case Ive Bridge will take about 20% off the power consumption because of the new chip set. this could possibly take off some of the temperature. :eek:
Plus you get that nice "new laptop" look, hopefully there will be some unexpected perks of the new redesign? better cooling? hah, the difference between the TOP 15" and TOP 17" is a mere 100$ so id consider that. but your right it is a hefty weight to carry UNLESS you waited for the Slimmer version?!?!

My 11inch is my portable so I'm a lil biased i guess, but deff these are profession computers, apple wouldn't put in a good graphics card if it knew it could do any detrimental damage do to over use, they are built to sustain.

Back to the SC2 subject, SC2 unlike I'm sure D3 is that sc relays mainly on CPU and uses a lot of memory, its not a hefty gpu related game, d3 will be quite the opposite. Again, i don't mean to discourage, but Ivy bridge is supposed to bring 30% better graphics abilities regardless, if I'm not mistaken, thus requires less strain on the card and produces again less heat. ;)

the 17" is 300 more than the top 15". that 300 could go to an ssd, more ram, or whatever.

and wow thats good for a little MBA running SC2. amazing.

and idk i think the new design will probably run just as hot because imo the smaller enclosure will even out with the less power consuming Ivy Bridge. either way you cant go wrong really. I'm going to buy the current MBP though because my friend is buying my current MB in two weeks and i will need something. plus i like having the extra room in the case for either the optical drive or an ssd, etc. and i just like the old design. its solid.
 
the 17" is 300 more than the top 15". that 300 could go to an ssd, more ram, or whatever.

and wow thats good for a little MBA running SC2. amazing.

and idk i think the new design will probably run just as hot because imo the smaller enclosure will even out with the less power consuming Ivy Bridge. either way you cant go wrong really. I'm going to buy the current MBP though because my friend is buying my current MB in two weeks and i will need something. plus i like having the extra room in the case for either the optical drive or an ssd, etc. and i just like the old design. its solid.

good call, can't go wrong either way

and ya my mba is the 1.8 i7
 
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Madness. Absolute madness. FCP was in the background, a brand new project open with one small 720 clip in it. Not rendering or processing anything. Firefox open with three tabs.

I tried to preview a video in Quick View and hear the fans spin up, curious I checked the temps and was shocked. It's on a flat surface, easy ventilation, and under no strain from any processes. The biggest problem is the machine itself doesn't feel hot. My old 2007 MBP would half burn you when it peaked around 80ºC. This you would never know.
 
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Madness. Absolute madness. FCP was in the background, a brand new project open with one small 720 clip in it. Not rendering or processing anything. Firefox open with three tabs.

I tried to preview a video in Quick View and hear the fans spin up, curious I checked the temps and was shocked. It's on a flat surface, easy ventilation, and under no strain from any processes. The biggest problem is the machine itself doesn't feel hot. My old 2007 MBP would half burn you when it peaked around 80ºC. This you would never know.

That's good, isn't it? The CPU & GPU are designed to take 100C and more. Most people here were claiming that it would hurt other components. Now I see, despite the huge CPU temp, that
a) the CPU proximity sensor stays 30C below the CPU temp
b) battery etc is safe between 30C and 40C
c) palmrest and thunderbolt are also cool. The same is probably true for the hard disc

The fans are not even at full speed. Are you using some tool to control their speed?
 
That's good, isn't it? The CPU & GPU are designed to take 100C and more. Most people here were claiming that it would hurt other components. Now I see, despite the huge CPU temp, that
a) the CPU proximity sensor stays 30C below the CPU temp
b) battery etc is safe between 30C and 40C
c) palmrest and thunderbolt are also cool. The same is probably true for the hard disc

The fans are not even at full speed. Are you using some tool to control their speed?
It's good and it's bad. It's good in that I'm not burning myself. Bad in that my CPU could be melting and I'd be none the wiser. For it to get to 99ºC before it decided it should probably bump up the fan speed...

Fans weren't at full speed because they were just starting up. I use iStat Menus/SMC to control the fan speed sometimes, but in this instance neither were active.
 
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Madness. Absolute madness. FCP was in the background, a brand new project open with one small 720 clip in it. Not rendering or processing anything. Firefox open with three tabs.

I tried to preview a video in Quick View and hear the fans spin up, curious I checked the temps and was shocked. It's on a flat surface, easy ventilation, and under no strain from any processes. The biggest problem is the machine itself doesn't feel hot. My old 2007 MBP would half burn you when it peaked around 80ºC. This you would never know.

What software is that for the temp monitors?
 
It's good and it's bad. It's good in that I'm not burning myself. Bad in that my CPU could be melting and I'd be none the wiser. For it to get to 99ºC before it decided it should probably bump up the fan speed...

The CPU will shut down automatically before it overheats. You don't have to worry about it. Does it stay at 99C or does it stabilize at a lower temperature?
 
What software is that for the temp monitors?
iStat Menus in the screenshot. smcFanControl/iStat Pro being free alternatives.

The CPU will shut down automatically before it overheats. You don't have to worry about it. Does it stay at 99C or does it stabilize at a lower temperature?
The fans kick in and it drops back down to ~85. It may well be that the CPU shuts down automatically if it gets too hot, but it shouldn't come to that.
 
im almost positive that there in C...or whatever he is using is inaccurate because theres no way the CPU is 88F under a load..

he said that it was a snapshot when his MBP was under a heavy load. when do you ever see a CPU at about 85F even at idle, let alone a heavy load? my CPU usually idles at 117F...right now my CPU is at 127F while listening to music, browsing, and i just finished watching a video.

My iMac idles at 78F...and listening to music and browsing and video editing right now, its 88F :)...sorry i had to say it. But to contribute to the conversation too, my brother has at 2.2ghz MBP and he games for hours on it. He's never had a problem. I know in SC2 his CPU is 178F average and GPU is about 165. and fans about 4700rpm, sometimes up to 6000rpm. Also, the Hard Drive always seems to stay at about 90F or 32C-cool.
 
The fans kick in and it drops back down to ~85. It may well be that the CPU shuts down automatically if it gets too hot, but it shouldn't come to that.

Well, it didn't come to that. The CPU will shut down at too high temperatures to prevent damage, i.e. it will shut down before it gets damaged. As long as this doesn't happen, it is operating in a safe temperature window. If you observe heat related shutdowns on the other hand, you should bring it to apple and have it checked.

You could install some fan control software if that makes you feel more comfortable, but I would recommend against messing with the built in heat management.
 
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