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How long do you plan to keep your MBP 2016/17 for?

I don’t know, I’m happy messing around and upgrading my 2011 MBP. The only thing really tempting about getting a new one for me is the smaller footprint. I think about getting a new one a lot, but I don’t dig the touchbar. The ports are nice but again, not sure if I need them. They aren’t faster than what I have. I’ll wait for this one to break (I think).

iPhone- every year, upgrade program
iPad - lost interest, how many things can you play with? Have a mini
 
jerryk said:
What does a computer cost versus the price in the US? I bet it is quite a bit more and a major part of this is this long warranty period.
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Yes, they do cost more (although not generally as much as buying the product plus AppleCare).

All goods and services are more expensive here, partly because we generally pay the "real" price (things like services, taxes and warranty costs aren't hidden extras, e.g. there's no tipping, and it's illegal to display prices that don't include all applicable taxes), but also because we're a small and relatively remote country, so costs are higher anyway.
 
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Except you also only have a 6 month period, and not 2 years:

The legal guarantee covers any defects presumed to have existed at the time of delivery and which become apparent within a period of two years. However, the crucial time period here is the six months following purchase:

Any fault that appears within six months will be presumed to have existed at the time of delivery. The seller must then repair or replace your phone free of charge - or reimburse you if repairs or replacement are impossible.

After six months, you can still hold the seller responsible for any defects during the full two-year guarantee period. However, if the seller contests this, you must be able to prove that the defect existed at the time of delivery. This is often difficult, and you will probably have to involve a technical expert.
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So what about the entire years-after-purchase thing that was spoken of?
 
jerryk said:
In the US they do not include the sales tax on ads because it varies so much. It varies by state, county, and sometimes city. And pretty widely. In some states the sales tax is 0%. In another state the sales tax is 8%, and within cities in that state it can be 8%-9.5%.

And then there the whole issue of buying out of state. That is often tax free, since they tax only applies if the company has a physical locale in the state. So I can buy from b&H in NY and not pay tax, but if I buy from Amazon I do pay tax because they have distribution centers in my state.

So there is no intentional attempt to hide the tax in the US. It is just varies a lot.

But even with that, it seems the prices for the MBPs are more outside the US.
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I'm referring to physical stores (were the sales tax is known), the sales tax (was, is?) not shown in the advertised price on the shelves, but is added on at the checkout counter. That's not legal in Europe.

I can understand for internet retail there may be uncertainty - though in the EU the VAT rate charged is based on the retailer's business address, so there again it is known quantity, at least for consumer purchases (businesses can of course reclaim VAT)
 
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But if they drive 2 hours south to Portland, they can get the same unit for no tax. But, they cannot pump their own gas.:D
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True, i get all big ticket items in oregon however, the i5 corridor is an absolute mess with all the people moving in, the two hour drive to Portland is more like 3-3.5 now
 
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I have a late 2006 white macbook that, even though the case is in terrible shape and the battery is dead, still boots up. I replaced that with a late 2013 MBP that I love.

On Sunday I got a 2017 13 inch MBP with the touchbar. I love its size, keyboard, trackpad, and screen compared to my 2013 MBP. I also love the touch bar. I hope to regularly use this one for the next 4-5 years. I love every mac that I have ever had and I am too attached to them to even think about getting rid of one.
 
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I used to upgrade all the time. I've been disappointed in apple ever since they dropped magsafe. I'm stuck with this 2015 mbp until I break down and get a windows laptop or until apple comes out with a pro level laptop.
 
After reading through many of the responses, 3 years looks like a good upgrade cycle, but its not mandatory if the machine is meeting your needs. I am still gonna try and hold out until 2021. I really want that Tigerlake, 32 GBs of RAM, OLED screen, 1 TB standard.
 
I will keep my 2017 MacBook Pro for 3-4 Years. So keep it till Apple care + runs out then by the following year buy a new one.
 
Mr. Dee said:
After reading through many of the responses, 3 years looks like a good upgrade cycle, but its not mandatory if the machine is meeting your needs. I am still gonna try and hold out until 2021. I really want that Tigerlake, 32 GBs of RAM, OLED screen, 1 TB standard.
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I can't even imagine what a MacBook or MacBook Pro will look like in 2021. I can see them expanding the Touch Bar to other portions of the keyboard (Tab, Caps Lock, Shift, Ctrl, etc) and I'm not sure how I feel about that. It's going to be interesting to see how devoted they are to haptic feedback technology.
 
The mac line will be dead by 2021. We will be using iPad pros. We will have fully connected apple watches by then and not need iPhones. macOS and iOS will be replaced with iOS and watchOS and we will like it.
 
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I'm not having issues with my '16 MBP so I have no plans to get rid of it before the 5 year mark. That all changes, of course, if it starts giving me too much trouble.
 
jeremiah256 said:
I can't even imagine what a MacBook or MacBook Pro will look like in 2021. I can see them expanding the Touch Bar to other portions of the keyboard (Tab, Caps Lock, Shift, Ctrl, etc) and I'm not sure how I feel about that. It's going to be interesting to see how devoted they are to haptic feedback technology.
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A 2021 MacBook Pro will look pretty much like like it does today. You will similar branded components you can find in a 2016 MacBook Pro. I'm sure a 2006 MacBook Pro had Intel processors too.

- Use an Intel processor
- OLED display that could be 4 or 8K
- GPU from AMD or Intel
- Fast RAM and SSD storage

Such a MacBook Pro will likely embrace more of the attributes of todays Retina 12 inch MacBook, with an even thinner design and possibly going the route of a single USB C port also.

We know Apple is not gonna make the display touch capable, but they are likely to put more emphasis on areas such as the Touchbar and Battery. The keys for instance might become static with feedback handled by a single taptic engine. The length of a the Touchbar might also be improved to show more information. Keys might also be dynamic changing to reveal the best tools when working in a particular app such as Word, Photoshop, AutoCAD or Mail. Touchbar does some of this already, but its kinda limited by the strip.
 
laz232 said:
I'm referring to physical stores (were the sales tax is known), the sales tax (was, is?) not shown in the advertised price on the shelves, but is added on at the checkout counter. That's not legal in Europe.

I can understand for internet retail there may be uncertainty - though in the EU the VAT rate charged is based on the retailer's business address, so there again it is known quantity, at least for consumer purchases (businesses can of course reclaim VAT)
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It has always been that way for everything in the US so we are used to it. It can be a surprise for some on major purchases like cars!
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the caveman said:
True, i get all big ticket items in oregon however, the i5 corridor is an absolute mess with all the people moving in, the two hour drive to Portland is more like 3-3.5 now
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Bummer. But at least they pump the gas when you get there and fill up!
 
I have a mid-2015 and looking at my usage I could easily keep it for another 3-4 years. I don't do anything intensive, so I am considering switching to a MB.
 
PBz said:
iPads every 1-2 years
MBP at least 3 years.
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I used to change my iPhone when a new model was launched, when the iPad 2 was launched I thought this is for me.
I found nothing I could use it for, except email, notes then MS office apps. Sage didn't tell me that with Sage 50 I could enter invoices to me on delivery no matter where I was until I hired a book keeper.
So I still have my old iPad. My reason for buying a mac book pro in 2016 was MS 'free' upgrade from win 7 to win 10.
Whenever things run too slow I'll change.

I can't now run bank software on my iPad
Now that is annoying. It is a decision by Apple on upgrading old iPad's because of a feature in iOS 8.
 
At this point, and considering I have a maxed-out 2016, I'd say until a model with 32GB low-power RAM, a 6-core CPU and a reliable keyboard comes out. Anything else would be an incremental upgrade. In my dreams, Apple would also add a CUDA-capable GPU to such a machine, but realistically I know there are no signs of this happening.

Not waiting for any particular gimmick or new tech to upgrade, what I need is simply a powerful laptop running macOS.
 
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You people are crazy and/or rich.

A new Mac every 2/3 years? 90% of the population keeps their computers for much more than that. After 3 years almost any computer, especially a Mac, is still completely capable. There's no big improvement in performance in 3 years.

And Macs are more expensive every year! Wow. Unbelievable. I've still got my late 2009 27 inch iMac with me and still works like a champ, and I can't see myself justifying a new Mac even after all these years because mine works perfectly and these things cost a fortune.

Many of you must have really really good paid jobs.
 
2020 at least as thats when my AppleCare runs out.

I'm leaving most gaming to the consoles now and WoW runs great on this machine. I'm done upgrading computers every few years..hence why I wen back to a MBP.
 
I intend to keep my 2017 for 3 years minimum (and bought Apple Care despite our consumer protection laws). I'd really like to get 5 years out of it, but if I'm honest I usually upgrade because I'm bored and want a new toy, so may not last that long.

iPhones and iPads I usually use for 2-3 years, and then pass them on to my kids who get another 2-3 years use out of them.
 
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Had a pro before but it was like a rock....so moved to 8G ram MBA 13 i7 in 2012...it is still going strong as I have it on el capitan...now I see the beachball once or twice a day....I am sure if I upgrade the OS it will be done....so Im staying on El C till this one croaks.

Im leaning to a 13" MBP nTB next....I expect it to last at least 8 years given the price.
 
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