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Sorry: I know pints, and half pints, and litres and half litres - we use both systems in Europe; how much is twelve ounces?

It's just a "regular" size for most bottled beer in the US. It's not really a shareable size by most people's measure, we just wanted to try to it and I didn't want to commit to a whole one just yet. 12oz US = ~355ml so about a 1/3 of a Liter. FYI, most our "hard" alcohols are either 750ml or 1.75L and advertised as such (vs. using ounces).
 
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It's just a "regular" size for most bottled beer in the US. It's not really a shareable size by most people's measure, we just wanted to try to it and I didn't want to commit to a whole one just yet. 12oz US = ~355ml so about a 1/3 of a Liter. FYI, most our "hard" alcohols are either 750ml or 1.75L and advertised as such (vs. using ounces).

Actually, 33cl is an excellent size for a bottle of exceptionally strong beer - personally, I find half a litre too much, and, if, in an hour or two, I fancy a second, well, 66cl is not too much more than half a litre. For beer, it is my preferred size.
 
In the U.S. there are some states which are the sole purchaser of liquor and then they resale the liquor (government-sanctioned monopoly) to stores with official licenses and such. Big government isn't always great.

Yes, I experienced this years ago on my first trip up to PA. In Florida, beer and wine are the same license, so grocery, restaurants usually have both, with hard liquor that's a separate (harder to get license), so that's typically limited to liquor stores, or restaurants/bars, who serve everything. Beer and wine you can get _everywhere_, and one of a major grocery chains even has dedicated liquor stores that are commonly connected right to the main grocery store.

Up in PA, beer specifically (not wine), is sold through "state stores" ... from their appearance, I'm not sure that these aren't actually run by organized crime. :D Seriously, they're like these small hole-in-the-wall, with stacks of beer still in cardboard shipping boxes, a few things chilled, and a bunch of shady looking guys that respond with "YO!" :D Liquor stores have liquor and wine ...groceries sell beer, but it's like through an adjacent shopping area, kind of a cafe, with separate registers. I believe they're changing some of this, but that was the case as of our last visit a few years ago.
 
I would imagine a half pint but I'm not sure.



Well, it's not so much restrictive (except I think in Utah where the Mormons are) but it's sometimes a little crazy. Where I live we have amazing beer, but until last year or the year before we couldn't get beer over 16% (I think) ABV. In some other cases, a brewery such as Founders might just not send their beer to a state for distribution. There are other brewers that are very, very good but regional instead of national. The U.S. is gigantic.

In Canada you can't sell beer after 11pm in stores (at least in Montreal) or before 11am in Ontario. In the U.S. there are some states which are the sole purchaser of liquor and then they resale the liquor (government-sanctioned monopoly) to stores with official licenses and such. Big government isn't always great.
I’m not disagreeing with you, but that sounds bazaar. I thought the only function of government should be -maybe- licenses to control their numbers.
 
I’m not disagreeing with you, but that sounds bazaar. I thought the only function of government should be -maybe- licenses to control their numbers.

It’s mostly ok - I’m not complaining but I’ll share this link with you because it’s interesting to see how different states do things:

http://nbc4i.com/2017/12/30/ohio-cu...-of-liquor-that-will-be-retired-from-shelves/
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Yes, I experienced this years ago on my first trip up to PA. In Florida, beer and wine are the same license, so grocery, restaurants usually have both, with hard liquor that's a separate (harder to get license), so that's typically limited to liquor stores, or restaurants/bars, who serve everything. Beer and wine you can get _everywhere_, and one of a major grocery chains even has dedicated liquor stores that are commonly connected right to the main grocery store.

Up in PA, beer specifically (not wine), is sold through "state stores" ... from their appearance, I'm not sure that these aren't actually run by organized crime. :D Seriously, they're like these small hole-in-the-wall, with stacks of beer still in cardboard shipping boxes, a few things chilled, and a bunch of shady looking guys that respond with "YO!" :D Liquor stores have liquor and wine ...groceries sell beer, but it's like through an adjacent shopping area, kind of a cafe, with separate registers. I believe they're changing some of this, but that was the case as of our last visit a few years ago.

Ohio is similar to Florida - though grocery stores can now sell liquor they just have to have it sold and locked in a separate area that you have to be 21 to enter.
 
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It’s mostly ok - I’m not complaining but I’ll share this link with you because it’s interesting to see how different states do things:

http://nbc4i.com/2017/12/30/ohio-cu...-of-liquor-that-will-be-retired-from-shelves/
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Ohio is similar to Florida - though grocery stores can now sell liquor they just have to have it sold and locked in a separate area that you have to be 21 to enter.
Ok, that’s total bull ****, not the roll for a state to assume! Why? :mad:
 
I’ll drink it, but I do prefer European lagers mainly. Bud is too gassy really.

I wouldn't even touch it; I'll take water instead.

Now, Founder's and Crooked Stave, - and even, - Sierra Nevada - are something else entirely - these are good products.
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Calling it rot gut was not really fair, but I don’t like rice based beer. :)

@Huntn, it is rot-gut.

It is not just that I wouldn't take it - I have actually turned it down when it was offered (for free) at functions opting for mineral water instead.

Sorry. Standards, and all that.....
 
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Which brands are available, to be dictated at every store, by the State? This is plainly wrong for a regulatedfree market. It smacks of monopoly.

I don’t know how it works 100%. What I’ll say is I’ve never had an issue finding something I wanted.

The state is a monopoly middleman in this instance. I prefer it be managed locally instead of at some larger faceless entity - the smaller the better with the individual states being far superior to having it managed by the federal government.
 
I don’t know how it works 100%. What I’ll say is I’ve never had an issue finding something I wanted.

The state is a monopoly middleman in this instance. I prefer it be managed locally instead of at some larger faceless entity - the smaller the better with the individual states being far superior to having it managed by the federal government.
Yes but what about a product being sold because there is an adequate demand for it? Not because a Bureacracy makes a decision about what the best sellers are, although granted, this could be done by any business. The issue is that it’s a single entity for the entire State making the marketing decision. I’ve said enough regarding this topic. :)
 
Yes but what about a product being sold because there is an adequate demand for it? Not because a Bureacracy makes a decision about what the best sellers are, although granted, this could be done by any business. The issue is that it’s a single entity for the entire State making the marketing decision. I’ve said enough regarding this topic. :)

Uh sure but that’s exactly what government does across the board - feds, State, local, etc. are you sure you’re not a closet libertarian?

But I’m not saying I like that the State acts as a middleman. I’m just saying I prefer it to the feds being a middleman.
 
I drink 2-3 cups of coffee per day, everyday. I don't drink alcohol though, so my daily consumption is practically non-existent. I might drink once a month but that's about it.
 
Uh sure but that’s exactly what government does across the board - feds, State, local, etc. are you sure you’re not a closet libertarian?

But I’m not saying I like that the State acts as a middleman. I’m just saying I prefer it to the feds being a middleman.
Don’t get me wrong, I lean moderate to liberal, and I like the idea of standardization of laws at the Federal level for consistency. I don’t like the idea that you could be arrested in one state for a crime, but in another state it’s not a crime.

However this strikes me, although it may be a simplistic argument, that this would be like having a Ohio Car Exchange, where the State government decides to sell Chevys, Fords, and Chrysler’s, while cutting off BMW, Toyota, Jaguar, and Fiat. A fair analogy?
 
Don’t get me wrong, I lean moderate to liberal, and I like the idea of standardization of laws at the Federal level for consistency. I don’t like the idea that you could be arrested in one state for a crime, but in another state it’s not a crime.

However this strikes me, although it may be a simplistic argument, that this would be like having a Ohio Car Exchange, where the State government decides to sell Chevys, Fords, and Chrysler’s, while cutting off BMW, Toyota, Jaguar, and Fiat. A fair analogy?

I mean you’re not going to get an argument from me about the analogy - it’s fine - but the states do work this way in some respects. Why have different speed limits? Why do (or maybe this has changed) some states allow people to text and drive and others don’t? Why is marijuana legal in some states and not? Why can Tesla sell their cars in some states and not others?

The issue with “standard for everybody” is it implies we all have the same standards and values. I find it to be a little too prescriptive and (not that you’re acting this way) arrogant. If people in one state want things a certain way they should vote and do so. I’m a big fan of local government governs best. I’d prefer the right solution over the most efficient. Otherwise Californians and New Yorkers can’t get upset if I want to buy an AR-15 with a 30 round mag in their state.
 
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I mean you’re not going to get an argument from me about the analogy - it’s fine - but the states do work this way in some respects. Why have different speed limits? Why do (or maybe this has changed) some states allow people to text and drive and others don’t? Why is marijuana legal in some states and not? Why can Tesla sell their cars in some states and not others?

The issue with “standard for everybody” is it implies we all have the same standards and values. I find it to be a little too prescriptive and (not that you’re acting this way) arrogant. If people in one state want things a certain way they should vote and do so. I’m a big fan of local government governs best. I’d prefer the right solution over the most efficient. Otherwise Californians and New Yorkers can’t get upset if I want to buy an AR-15 with a 30 round mag in their state.
Good points and good discussion. :) As a Nation we share commonalities, for example, I see minimum standards for education, voter rights, freedom of religion, and disallowed discrimination in a business opened to the public, all dictated by a Federal standards.

But when it comes to things like consumer products for sale, I don’t see it has a role for the State to remove items from the market place because, they control monopolistic access to a commodity. Regulation has a place (example different speed limits) but overdoing it would be if the State exercises a monopoly and removes products from the market place for lack of shelf space or some other arbitrary reason. Analogy previously made: in a State with State owned car dealership monopolies, they decide to only offer Teslas and Humvees for sale. This would be wrong.

I’ll get back on topic now. :D
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Recently I purchased some Capt Morgan Spiced Rum, and it tastes kind of like a liquor which reminds me of a mint flavor. I need to taste some unspiced rum for comparison.
 
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