How much could the iPhone 5 really revolutionize things at all?

[audix]

How do you get people to switch from what they were told was the best phone ever created?

What's more, how do you create a better phone?

 

[chakraj]

Apple is going to blow you all away, your minds can not conceive of some of the new features that will be presented this year...

Here is just a teaser....

You know how when your on the home screen and you swipe back and forth from page to page, well apples tech team has been at work for years working on a brand new feature, now when you move from page to page, the wallpaper will move also... Wow... I know... you cant even believe such a thing is possible..

Well there will be more new crazy technical things like that this year...

The industry will be revolutionized.. I said it here first.

 

[nuckinfutz]

In other news, droves of people will line up to buy it and it wil be the best selling iphone.

Dont you realize that the hardcore geeks make up 0.5% of the population...
people will be perfectly happy with the new iphone even its not radically different.

I'm tired of people on here predicting the death of apple.

Hell I wish they'd predict anything right at this point.

The failure really comes from a lack of understanding about what the common person wants. It's not about iSheep because I do remember a time when people weren't buying Apple and the company almost went bankrupt. Contrary to popular belief people won't just buy whatever you throw in front of them.

 

[sakau2007]

Software is where Apple beats Android. If you include iOS, iTunes, and the App Store as a whole, Google simply hasn't beaten Apple at software.

Agree with the app store. iOS is debatable... "it just works", yes, but it is debatable that it has been passed by.

...but iTunes? Complete garbage. And anyone who says differently has never used a powerful piece of media managing software. It is an inefficient resource hog with a bunch of bloatware that I have to keep installed on my computer because Apple does everything in their power to keep far superior pieces of software from syncing iPhone (and newer iPods).

It's a shame really.

 

[nuckinfutz]

Apple pummels Google in software.

It's not even close.


In turn Google shows mastery over Apple in web technologies. Each company is playing up to their strengths.

 

[lazard]

Agree with the app store. iOS is debatable... "it just works", yes, but it is debatable that it has been passed by.

...but iTunes? Complete garbage. And anyone who says differently has never used a powerful piece of media managing software. It is an inefficient resource hog with a bunch of bloatware that I have to keep installed on my computer because Apple does everything in their power to keep far superior pieces of software from syncing iPhone (and newer iPods).

It's a shame really.

agree. The app store is the sole reason I'm still with Apple for now. the differences between iOS and Android are minimal and iTunes is complete garbage.

 

[4wdwrx]

How much more? I will tell you.

1) New iPhone design
- Liquid metal
- Smaller bezels
- Gorilla Glass 2

2) A bigger display
- Stretch the current display to about 4 inches at 960 * 640 > pixel density of 288 ppi
- Add some pixels on top (as Apple is rumoured to do) to make it widescreen.
-- 1136*640
-- 288 ppi
-- Results in a 4.52" display (which Apple could theoretically put in the design of the iPhone 4S)

Additionally, Apple could make this display even better by doing the following:
- 'Retina+'
-- 4x the number of pixels (like they did before)
-- 2272 x 1280 resolution, higher than Full HD
-- definitely over-kill
-- 577 pixels per inch

- Up to 120 frames per second (currently there's a max. of 60 fps)
- Apple in-house developed OLED technology
-- True blacks
-- Extremely high brightness (higher than LCD)
-- Colour accuracy near 100%
-- Good visibility in the sun
-- Low-power

- Privacy Mode
-- Limit viewing angles (for privacy) (can be turned on or off by user)
-- Automatically limit viewing angles when typing a password

3) Waterproof
- Make this thing waterproof
- If you fall in a swimming pool, nothing to worry about

4) Next-generation touchscreen
- Reduce input lag (especially notable on the iPad when writing) to 1 ms (currently 50 ms)
- Make the touchscreen more accurate
- Reduce response time

5) Tactical feedback
- Feel what do you do
- Senseg technology, so no mechanical parts
- Pressure sensitive
- Useful for blind people
- Awesome new possibilities in apps

6) NFC technology
- Possibilities are endless
- Payments
- Profiles (so when you're at work it goes into silent mode, when you're in the car it turns on bluetooth for your wireless headset, etc.)
- Include five free configurable stickers

7) Drastically improved speakers
- Louder
- Facing toward you (not downwards)
- At least stereo
- (Simulated) surround sound
- QUALITY!

8) FM radio
- No headphones required
- Works on all continents
- Offer limited broadcasting on free channels

9) Worldwide 4G LTE
- Next-generation Wireless, LTE up to 73 Mbps
- Australia, Europe, Northern-America, Asia supported
- Also HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps (not sure if 4S already does this, iPad 3 does)
- DC-HSDPA up to 42 Mbps

10) Apple's own wireless chip, let's call it "A1 Wireless"
- Apple in-house developed chip for wireless technologies
- Replaces all separate chips (like for Wi-Fi, 3G, bluetooth, etc.) with one single chip
- Supports:
-- Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
-- Bluetooth 4.0
-- American GPS, Russian GLONASS, European GALILEO
-- FM radio
-- GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
-- CDMA EV-DO Rev. A (800, 1900 Mhz)
-- UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA(850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
-- LTE (700, 800, 900, 1800, 1900, 2100, 2600 MHz)
- Low-power, produced at 20nm production line
- Extremely good reception
- Two of these "A1 Wireless" chips in every single iPhone
-- One in bottom left, other in top right corner
-- Settles with the one for the best signal or;
-- Uses both chips for a boost in reception

11) FaceTime HD
- 3.2 megapixel front facing camera
- FaceTime in HD over Wi-Fi and LTE networks (and 3G if speeds are high enough)
- FaceTime in SD over 3G

12) FaceTime touch
- See tactical feedback
- Use tactical feedback to 'touch each other'
- Works over 3G, Wi-Fi and LTE

13) 128 GB model
- Drop the 16 GB model
- $199 32 GB, $299 64 GB and $399 128 GB

14) 16 megapixel camera
- Better lenses
- High quality sensor
- Low-light situations are just fine
- Dual LED flash
- Zero shutter lag
- Video recording stabilisation by both hardware and software
- Photo stabilisation by hardware (because software obviously isn't possible)
- HD video recording
-- 720p HD at 120 fps
-- 1080p HD at 60 fps
-- 4K at 30 fps
-- User can choose
- Rebuild camera app with more options
- After-focus
-- Focus a picture after you've taken one
-- 8 megapixel pictures
-- Still-photo only

15) Apple app: Camera Pro
- Identical interface as the new camera app (see: 16 megapixel camera)
- Same features plus more
- Advanced settings (like you find on Android as well)
- Developer APIs available
- FREE on the App Store

16) Apple app: iSlowmotion
- Use 720p HD 120 fps recordings. See: 16 megapixel camera
- Create high-quality slowmotion videos

17) New GUI for iOS
- Runs latest iOS version with new GUI

18) A6 chip
- If they are going to implement all features list above, it's going to need some power
- Cortex A15 architecture for the CPU
- Next-gen PowerVR Series 6 architecture for GPU
- Quad-Core CPU, each core clocked at 1.8 GHz
- Dual-Core GPU (will still be waaaaayyyyyyyyyy more powerful than the quad-core GPU found in the A5X chip because of the new architecture)
- 2 GB RAM
- Extremely low-power, 10% of what the A5X chip uses

19) Battery life
- Revolutionary battery life
- Use some new technologies
- Fully charged within 30 minutes
- It should have at least 4x better battery life than the iPhone 4S

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Don't tell me that there are no innovative features for Apple to put in a next generation iPhone. There's really enough.

I spend minutes on this post, just to prove you that there is enough work left for Apple to put in a next generation iPhone.

That is good idea on phones, which the thing is... some phones already have those from what you said.

All those things are not innovation what Apple and Steve Jobs were known for. Not revolutionary. Just updates.

When it is said of something to reach it's peak, it means there is no real innovation nor revolutionary. Upgrading specs is not revolutionary.

 

[spiderman0616]

Agree with the app store. iOS is debatable... "it just works", yes, but it is debatable that it has been passed by.

...but iTunes? Complete garbage. And anyone who says differently has never used a powerful piece of media managing software. It is an inefficient resource hog with a bunch of bloatware that I have to keep installed on my computer because Apple does everything in their power to keep far superior pieces of software from syncing iPhone (and newer iPods).

It's a shame really.

Well we can throw that reasoning right out the window because as of last year, you no longer need iTunes to manage your device.

 

[sakau2007]

Well we can throw that reasoning right out the window because as of last year, you no longer need iTunes to manage your device.

eh... sort of, kind of, not really.

i don't use all of iCloud's features, so i am ignorant to some of this information... can iCloud sync everything that gets synced with an iTunes sync? custom ringtones, contacts with unique fields added? what about when i manage my playlists in other software on my computer. how do i then get those playlists to my phone? right now i have to export them to iTunes and then sync that way. are you telling me there's a way to get .m4r ringtone files and playlists on to my phone without iTunes? do tell.

...But even if all that is possible, iCloud storage costs $100 annually for 50 GB of space. I don't expect cloud services to be free, but I also don't think it's fair to say you don't need iTunes and its bloatware anymore... because the simple fact is without it, I'd need 50 gigs (actually more...) in the cloud. And if I ever have to do a restore? It's back to iTunes or be forced to download 50 gigs of data, right?

 

[spiderman0616]

eh... sort of, kind of, not really.

i don't use all of iCloud's features, so i am ignorant to some of this information... can iCloud sync everything that gets synced with an iTunes sync? custom ringtones, contacts with unique fields added? what about when i manage my playlists in other software on my computer. how do i then get those playlists to my phone? right now i have to export them to iTunes and then sync that way. are you telling me there's a way to get .m4r ringtone files and playlists on to my phone without iTunes? do tell.

...But even if all that is possible, iCloud storage costs $100 annually for 50 GB of space. I don't expect cloud services to be free, but I also don't think it's fair to say you don't need iTunes and its bloatware anymore... because the simple fact is without it, I'd need 50 gigs (actually more...) in the cloud. And if I ever have to do a restore? It's back to iTunes or be forced to download 50 gigs of data, right?

iTunes Match is only $25 a year and syncs your playlists across all devices without iTunes sitting in between everything. I make a playlist on my phone and it's automatically on my iPad, Apple TV, iPod Touch, and even iTunes on my PC.

 

[Chic0]

Read this article last night. Apple's recent acquisition of Authentec, who specialise in fingerprint scanning technology, could have significant part to play in their implementation of NFC mobile payments etc.

Sounds very plausible to me for iPhone5

Full piece here : http://www.quora.com/Apple-Acquisitions/Why-did-Apple-buy-AuthenTec

Meet The Future iPhone Home Button: A Fingerprint Scanner

The AES850 [2] may be one of the reasons Apple is so interested in AuthenTec. It is the worlds smallest fingerprint scanner in production and has one of the highest accuracies.

The AuthenTec AES850 fingerprint scanner, or a version of it (perhaps round), will be the future iPhone Home Button.

The AES850 can be reworked to look exactly like the iPhone home button. This seems to be a very likely turn of events at this point. The AES850 can be placed on a switch to allow for a push button effect, however I am rather certain that Apple will use the touch of the sensor as a virtual push button effect.

The new fingerprint scanner/home button will serve far more applications then the iWallet and Instant unlock for Apple. It will become the center piece for authentication, login and password management. With one change, Apple will truly shift the paradigm in a very meaningful way. After the future iPhone is released few of us will remember what it was like before this new technology.

 

[spiderman0616]

That is good idea on phones, which the thing is... some phones already have those from what you said.

All those things are not innovation what Apple and Steve Jobs were known for. Not revolutionary. Just updates.

When it is said of something to reach it's peak, it means there is no real innovation nor revolutionary. Upgrading specs is not revolutionary.

Then by your standards, no phone maker is doing anything revolutionary.

 

[wrkactjob]

Wait till you see iMplant.

 

[Sedrick]

Read this article last night. Apple's recent acquisition of Authentec, who specialise in fingerprint scanning technology, could have significant part to play in their implementation of NFC mobile payments etc.

Sounds very plausible to me for iPhone5

Full piece here : http://www.quora.com/Apple-Acquisitions/Why-did-Apple-buy-AuthenTec

Meet The Future iPhone Home Button: A Fingerprint Scanner

The AES850 [2] may be one of the reasons Apple is so interested in AuthenTec. It is the worlds smallest fingerprint scanner in production and has one of the highest accuracies.

The AuthenTec AES850 fingerprint scanner, or a version of it (perhaps round), will be the future iPhone Home Button.

The AES850 can be reworked to look exactly like the iPhone home button. This seems to be a very likely turn of events at this point. The AES850 can be placed on a switch to allow for a push button effect, however I am rather certain that Apple will use the touch of the sensor as a virtual push button effect.

The new fingerprint scanner/home button will serve far more applications then the iWallet and Instant unlock for Apple. It will become the center piece for authentication, login and password management. With one change, Apple will truly shift the paradigm in a very meaningful way. After the future iPhone is released few of us will remember what it was like before this new technology.

This could really be big if Apple doesn't screw around with it for another 2 years 'perfecting' it. It could, theoretically, eliminate all the needs for you to remember 143 different passwords for every transaction you make: Just scan your finger print.

 

[sakau2007]

iTunes Match is only $25 a year and syncs your playlists across all devices without iTunes sitting in between everything. I make a playlist on my phone and it's automatically on my iPad, Apple TV, iPod Touch, and even iTunes on my PC.

And for those of us who don't make playlists on our phones (which is a pretty clunky way to go about things)?

I've got nearly 20,000 songs and I only sync about 20 or 25% of those at a time (if one fits a playlist that I'm currently listening to, then it makes the cut).

Managing a library this large is painful on iTunes, and even worse on a mobile device. I use J River Media Center. The only way for me to create smartlists and effective playlists is within Media Center and then exporting them to iTunes, and then sync from there. It's a big pain, and the workarounds are even worse (and cost money). So as I said, it's not really possible (for me) to be iTunes free. And that's unfortunate because iTunes is awful.

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Then by your standards, no phone maker is doing anything revolutionary.

Google Now is far more revolutionary than anything that has so far been announced for iOS 6. I'd say it is more revolutionary than anything from iOS 5 as well (Siri) because of Siri's limitations. If Siri worked as well and was as powerful as our imagination dictated, then it'd be revolutionary. But it just isn't there yet.

 

[spiderman0616]

And for those of us who don't make playlists on our phones (which is a pretty clunky way to go about things)?

I've got nearly 20,000 songs and I only sync about 20 or 25% of those at a time (if one fits a playlist that I'm currently listening to, then it makes the cut).

Managing a library this large is painful on iTunes, and even worse on a mobile device. I use J River Media Center. The only way for me to create smartlists and effective playlists is within Media Center and then exporting them to iTunes, and then sync from there. It's a big pain, and the workarounds are even worse (and cost money). So as I said, it's not really possible (for me) to be iTunes free. And that's unfortunate because iTunes is awful.

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Google Now is far more revolutionary than anything that has so far been announced for iOS 6. I'd say it is more revolutionary than anything from iOS 5 as well (Siri) because of Siri's limitations. If Siri worked as well and was as powerful as our imagination dictated, then it'd be revolutionary. But it just isn't there yet.

But that's just an added feature. Nothing revolutionary. Just something they added to Android.

 

[Mrg02d]

This could really be big if Apple doesn't screw around with it for another 2 years 'perfecting' it. It could, theoretically, eliminate all the needs for you to remember 143 different passwords for every transaction you make: Just scan your finger print.

This would be the next big thing, a real revolution and I am betting Apple will implement it soon.

 

[spiderman0616]

This would be the next big thing, a real revolution and I am betting Apple will implement it soon.

soon as in how soon? They just bought the company--I doubt they can get the scanners into their phones by September

 

[Tsuchiya]

I don't see anything revolutionary coming anytime soon tbh.

This time around I will be happy with a minor spec bump which includes a bigger screen and a significantly better battery life (like we were expecting in October '11 )

 

[Mrg02d]

soon as in how soon? They just bought the company--I doubt they can get the scanners into their phones by September

Soon as in, the near future. Probably next years Iphone.

Ill bet the new Iphone winds up like the new Ipad. Just slight bumps here and there.

 

[spiderman0616]

Soon as in, the near future. Probably next years Iphone.

Ill bet the new Iphone winds up like the new Ipad. Just slight bumps here and there.

I don't think so. Apple can't give us another 4S and they know it.

 

[NikeTalk]

This thread basically show far behind Apple is and needs to get up to date and stop spending 2-3 years "perfecting" things that aren't even broke. The jig is up! If this is really the 5 then the 5S is really gonna have to save the iPhone.

 

[nuckinfutz]

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Google Now is far more revolutionary than anything that has so far been announced for iOS 6. I'd say it is more revolutionary than anything from iOS 5 as well (Siri) because of Siri's limitations. If Siri worked as well and was as powerful as our imagination dictated, then it'd be revolutionary. But it just isn't there yet.

Google Now isn't revolutionary in the least. It's basically just scraping data and presenting it to the user as if it's magic. It's not.

This thread basically show far behind Apple is and needs to get up to date and stop spending 2-3 years "perfecting" things that aren't even broke. The jig is up! If this is really the 5 then the 5S is really gonna have to save the iPhone.

Don't know how you gleaned much useful info from this thread. Apple isn't behind anywhere. They're not going to disgrace the OS into some Android looking abomination.

 

[redred]

This could really be big if Apple doesn't screw around with it for another 2 years 'perfecting' it. It could, theoretically, eliminate all the needs for you to remember 143 different passwords for every transaction you make: Just scan your finger print.

I think you'll end up getting the next iPhone within 30 days of its release. Once you get it in your hands you'll be impressed. That's my prediction.

 

[mnsportsgeek]

How much more? I will tell you.

1) New iPhone design
- Liquid metal
- Smaller bezels
- Gorilla Glass 2

2) A bigger display
- Stretch the current display to about 4 inches at 960 * 640 > pixel density of 288 ppi
- Add some pixels on top (as Apple is rumoured to do) to make it widescreen.
-- 1136*640
-- 288 ppi
-- Results in a 4.52" display (which Apple could theoretically put in the design of the iPhone 4S)

Additionally, Apple could make this display even better by doing the following:
- 'Retina+'
-- 4x the number of pixels (like they did before)
-- 2272 x 1280 resolution, higher than Full HD
-- definitely over-kill
-- 577 pixels per inch

- Up to 120 frames per second (currently there's a max. of 60 fps)
- Apple in-house developed OLED technology
-- True blacks
-- Extremely high brightness (higher than LCD)
-- Colour accuracy near 100%
-- Good visibility in the sun
-- Low-power

- Privacy Mode
-- Limit viewing angles (for privacy) (can be turned on or off by user)
-- Automatically limit viewing angles when typing a password

3) Waterproof
- Make this thing waterproof
- If you fall in a swimming pool, nothing to worry about

4) Next-generation touchscreen
- Reduce input lag (especially notable on the iPad when writing) to 1 ms (currently 50 ms)
- Make the touchscreen more accurate
- Reduce response time

5) Tactical feedback
- Feel what do you do
- Senseg technology, so no mechanical parts
- Pressure sensitive
- Useful for blind people
- Awesome new possibilities in apps

6) NFC technology
- Possibilities are endless
- Payments
- Profiles (so when you're at work it goes into silent mode, when you're in the car it turns on bluetooth for your wireless headset, etc.)
- Include five free configurable stickers

7) Drastically improved speakers
- Louder
- Facing toward you (not downwards)
- At least stereo
- (Simulated) surround sound
- QUALITY!

8) FM radio
- No headphones required
- Works on all continents
- Offer limited broadcasting on free channels

9) Worldwide 4G LTE
- Next-generation Wireless, LTE up to 73 Mbps
- Australia, Europe, Northern-America, Asia supported
- Also HSPA+ up to 21 Mbps (not sure if 4S already does this, iPad 3 does)
- DC-HSDPA up to 42 Mbps

10) Apple's own wireless chip, let's call it "A1 Wireless"
- Apple in-house developed chip for wireless technologies
- Replaces all separate chips (like for Wi-Fi, 3G, bluetooth, etc.) with one single chip
- Supports:
-- Wi-Fi (802.11a/b/g/n)
-- Bluetooth 4.0
-- American GPS, Russian GLONASS, European GALILEO
-- FM radio
-- GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz)
-- CDMA EV-DO Rev. A (800, 1900 Mhz)
-- UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+/DC-HSDPA(850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz)
-- LTE (700, 800, 900, 1800, 1900, 2100, 2600 MHz)
- Low-power, produced at 20nm production line
- Extremely good reception
- Two of these "A1 Wireless" chips in every single iPhone
-- One in bottom left, other in top right corner
-- Settles with the one for the best signal or;
-- Uses both chips for a boost in reception

11) FaceTime HD
- 3.2 megapixel front facing camera
- FaceTime in HD over Wi-Fi and LTE networks (and 3G if speeds are high enough)
- FaceTime in SD over 3G

12) FaceTime touch
- See tactical feedback
- Use tactical feedback to 'touch each other'
- Works over 3G, Wi-Fi and LTE

13) 128 GB model
- Drop the 16 GB model
- $199 32 GB, $299 64 GB and $399 128 GB

14) 16 megapixel camera
- Better lenses
- High quality sensor
- Low-light situations are just fine
- Dual LED flash
- Zero shutter lag
- Video recording stabilisation by both hardware and software
- Photo stabilisation by hardware (because software obviously isn't possible)
- HD video recording
-- 720p HD at 120 fps
-- 1080p HD at 60 fps
-- 4K at 30 fps
-- User can choose
- Rebuild camera app with more options
- After-focus
-- Focus a picture after you've taken one
-- 8 megapixel pictures
-- Still-photo only

15) Apple app: Camera Pro
- Identical interface as the new camera app (see: 16 megapixel camera)
- Same features plus more
- Advanced settings (like you find on Android as well)
- Developer APIs available
- FREE on the App Store

16) Apple app: iSlowmotion
- Use 720p HD 120 fps recordings. See: 16 megapixel camera
- Create high-quality slowmotion videos

17) New GUI for iOS
- Runs latest iOS version with new GUI

18) A6 chip
- If they are going to implement all features list above, it's going to need some power
- Cortex A15 architecture for the CPU
- Next-gen PowerVR Series 6 architecture for GPU
- Quad-Core CPU, each core clocked at 1.8 GHz
- Dual-Core GPU (will still be waaaaayyyyyyyyyy more powerful than the quad-core GPU found in the A5X chip because of the new architecture)
- 2 GB RAM
- Extremely low-power, 10% of what the A5X chip uses

19) Battery life
- Revolutionary battery life
- Use some new technologies
- Fully charged within 30 minutes
- It should have at least 4x better battery life than the iPhone 4S

-------------------------------------------
Don't tell me that there are no innovative features for Apple to put in a next generation iPhone. There's really enough.

I spend minutes on this post, just to prove you that there is enough work left for Apple to put in a next generation iPhone.

So you would like your iPhone to be $6,000 and be the size of a macbook pro? Okay...