gwsat
macrumors 68000
When you mentioned 3k I got curious and went to Apple.com to price out a 17 inch MBP if it included every hardware option available. Are you sitting down? A loaded 17 inch MBP would cost $4,099. Yikes!
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How Much is Apple Missing out on?
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Hls811
macrumors 6502a
Again, its not money they are missing out on - its money you are still going to give to them at some point.
You should add more options:
- I have taken my $$$ elsewhere. (THATS money they have missed out on)
- I purchased Current gen hardware within the last 2-3 months. (to compare with those who are holding back.. see how many are still purchasing).
With its very healthy bank balance, Apple doesn't really need any more money right this minute, so they can happily wait for the right time to release updated models.
It's looking less an less likely that the MacBook Pro or Mac Pro will be updated soon - Apple aren't going to want to have anything that might take some of the limelight from the release of the iPad. That means you could be waiting until sometime in April.
Personally, even if Apple suddenly announced they are cancelling the MacBok Pro entirely, then my money still would never go to a Windoze machine.
I will edit the original post to specify that this thread is intended for people who are holding off for the refresh and refuse to pay current prices for outdated hardware.
Unfortunately, I can't edit the poll.
miles01110
macrumors Core
Not to mention the criers in this thread (and pretty much every other) should realize that for every person that comes to MR to ask if they should buy or wait, 10+ more go to the store and "buy." If you really wanted to protest the lack of an update, go buy a Windows machine- but Apple already knows the people willing to do this are in the very small minority.
Crunch
macrumors 6502a
It's so interesting to watch this unfold again and again and again. Apple is not just a company, it's a "following" lol...A friend of mine actually believes that Apple in some way "cares" about him. Yea, all the cult followers deposit plenty of cash into Steve-oh's bank account, and when he chuckles or smiles, it's not because he wants to do something great for you. No, he's laughing all the way to the bank and his favorite song on his own iPod is probably a compilation of various ka-ching sounds.
I'm in the market for an IPS screen on a laptop. Lenovo didn't deliver again with its ThinkPad W701, so if Apple will, I'll go for the 17" WUXGA 1920x1200 matte version.
By the way, unless you have money to burn, don't buy things like RAM for an inflated price from Apple. You can get 2x4GB chips (or 4x4 for 16GB, a likely scenario for the next refresh) from a reputable company like Kingston or Crucial. Apple doesn't make their SSD's, HDD's, or RAM, or even their CPU's anymore either. They get it from the same place that you can get it, too. They're all commoditized components with an OS and some apps tossed on top.
Give us IPS, Apple, and I'll take a 17" WUXGA MBP, or I'll get the W701.
I'm in the market for an IPS screen on a laptop. Lenovo didn't deliver again with its ThinkPad W701, so if Apple will, I'll go for the 17" WUXGA 1920x1200 matte version.
By the way, unless you have money to burn, don't buy things like RAM for an inflated price from Apple. You can get 2x4GB chips (or 4x4 for 16GB, a likely scenario for the next refresh) from a reputable company like Kingston or Crucial. Apple doesn't make their SSD's, HDD's, or RAM, or even their CPU's anymore either. They get it from the same place that you can get it, too. They're all commoditized components with an OS and some apps tossed on top.
Give us IPS, Apple, and I'll take a 17" WUXGA MBP, or I'll get the W701.
gwsat
macrumors 68000
I agree that buying a memory upgrade from Apple makes no sense whatever. For example Apple's price to bump up a new MBP's RAM from 4 to 8 gig is $600 and from 2 to 8 is $700. You can get 8 gig of RAM of the same quality from OWC for less than $350 and keep the two 1 or 2 gig RAM chips that came in the MBP, too. I feel sure that Kingston'a and Crucial's prices are similar. I should add that changing out memory chips on a MBP is really easy and can be accomplished in a matter minutes with only a Philips head screwdriver.
Crunch
macrumors 6502a
Anybody getting "the" SSD that Apple offers should look for what the manufacturer is. I think they're offering a 128GB SSD at the moment, so that can't be any of the Intel drives, which are the single best SSD's that you can buy as a consumer today. They are the 80GB and 160GB versions of the X25-M, or the X18-M, which is the 1.8" variant of the 2.5" model. Intel's Generation 2 SSD's are even better at wear-leveling, but even the Gen 1 drives are unbeatable by Samsung, Toshiba, Kingston's SSDNow's, Crucial, and others. The model number you want to avoid with Samsung drives ends in MUP-0VA, by the way.
I've been using SSD's for over a year now, and I've had non-Intel drives. The difference is quite noticeable and any benchmarks give away the most important spec that any SSD is measured by. The 4K read/write blocks.
If you do a simple search for the Intel X25-M, you will find tons of reviews and comparison charts, and you will see for yourself how Intel has been crushing the competition, and continues to do so.
It used to be RAM that was the easiest way to boost your system's overall performance, but now it is the SSD. The increase in speed and performance is simply phenomenal.
I've been using SSD's for over a year now, and I've had non-Intel drives. The difference is quite noticeable and any benchmarks give away the most important spec that any SSD is measured by. The 4K read/write blocks.
If you do a simple search for the Intel X25-M, you will find tons of reviews and comparison charts, and you will see for yourself how Intel has been crushing the competition, and continues to do so.
It used to be RAM that was the easiest way to boost your system's overall performance, but now it is the SSD. The increase in speed and performance is simply phenomenal.
Nein01
macrumors 6502
you probably clicked on the 256g ssd, which i don't want until prices come down.
with an education discount, it's $3412 for:
3.06ghz 17"
8g ram
500g 7200 drive
glossy screen (i save $50 because i don't want a silver bezel)
remote
apple care
also, choosing 4g of ram instead of 8 lowers it to $2872, which is why i said "about 3k" because i'll probably pick the lowest ram option and then upgrade it myself later to save a couple hundred dollars.
Crunch
macrumors 6502a
Good idea about the RAM. 🙂 Are you sure about this glossy screen business? Any type of glossy screens drive me crazy, and they're found on most every cheap PC. At "about $3k", what's another $50, really? lol...
I also wouldn't get a glossy screen because you don't like the bezel. Remember, you will have to look into that screen every day you use it.
Is there anything that you, or anyone else for that matter, LIKE about a glossy screen as opposed to anti-glare matte displays? I looked at them in an Apple store recently, and I can just see myself cursing at my new MacBook with constant reflections and in certain light conditions, it becomes a mirror. They must be great in a dark room, though, I guess...?
I've heard there was some kind of spray or something that you can put on a glossy screen to attain the anti-glare effect, in case you end up preferring the latter at a later point in time. I have never seen this, but a Mac buddy of mine told me about this.
Another point. The "3.06GHz 17" is nothing but an Intel Core 2 Duo T9900. I can't believe that a surprising number of people, and I don't mean you per se, still think that they're getting some kind of special processor from Apple than those cheap-oh PC users can't ever get to. lol...Apple used to have the PowerPC CPU, but they, quietly no less, switched to Intel many years ago. which I'm personally happy about. I wouldn't even consider a Mac if they hadn't switched to Intel for CPU's because of compatibility reasons.
I'm SO hoping for an IPS screen with LED backlight. I have a few reasons to believe that this will be the case. <drool> 😉
I'm in the UK, so at the exchange rate it's just over $2000. However, in the UK that'll get me a mid range 15inch.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
Its only outdated if it fails to meet your needs. To that end, I've found my 08 MBP more the up to the challenges I throw it at and I'm not one of those folks who are waiting.
Most consumers buy a computer when they need one, which is counter to what many folks here are doing. Waiting for the latest and greatest. Of course that means for many, they've been w/o a top rated laptop for several months. I've seen posts here about people holding off in November of 09 because a refresh was imminent. That was 4 months ago. 😱
While I do think we're close to seeing a new machine from apple, I believe many of the folks waiting will under utilize it, that is they've been waiting for arrandale but only to surf the web, email and/or do office apps.
I agree with you, nevertheless, they are waiting.
This poll is just a measure of the amount of money Apple would get if the product were released today. It's quantitative data.
After 161 votes we have a range of about $268,000-$348,366. A quarter of a million is a quarter of a million. Can anyone get me the numbers for this quarter so far on just MBP sales?
SteveSparks
macrumors 6502a
$2500 at least for me. I plan on a nearly maxed out 15" or 17" MBP. I'll just hold off on the max ram and get that somewhere else.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
However, apple is not "missing out" on the money. Its not like those people who would have purchased an arrandale MBP if available today, instead opted for dell. Once available they'll be throwing that $$ at apple for the new laptops.
Maflynn,
You must really not like the idea of this thread. I would like to kindly ask you to either stay away from it or leave it be. There is absolutely no way I can take into account every possible scenario with one thread and one poll. If Apple paid me that would be a different story. 😉
Seriously though, many seem to like this thread. Let it be.
miles01110
macrumors Core
Hahahaha. No it's not. It's a poll from which you are drawing some extraordinary conclusions. Your biggest assumption is that everyone who voted in the poll is waiting to buy a new machine, which certainly isn't the case.
This seems to be a common theme amongst forum newbies when things start to go south for whatever cause they're trying to advance. Understand that if you post something, you give up any right as to who responds and how they respond as long as it's within forum rules. maflynn has just as much right to post in "your" thread (more accurately, "the thread that you started") as anyone else.
Whatever machine my self-owned company purchases is the primary instrument for putting food on my table. I'm not going to skimp.
My budget is $5000 USD, though I doubt I will have to spend that much.
My budget is $5000 USD, though I doubt I will have to spend that much.
Agreed. But, they think their customers are and that is partly how they can keep prices the same at the end of a product cycle compared to the start and squeeze much more profit out of their customer base. With PC,s customers have choice so price is used to gain an edge. With Apple, customers can only by other apples so they have you and know it. They are not stupid, perhaps greedy, but not stupid. I guess if customers were really smart and far sighted they would have invested in APPL stock years ago and reinvest thier profits in upgrades. If I only had a Time Machine to buy APPL
Extraordinary conclusions? I specifically asked people who were waiting for the refresh to participate in the poll. Again, this is not to determine an "extraordinary conclusion," rather an idea. I can not account for human error (those who incorrectly filled it out) or take into account every situation.
What I dont understand is why that is so difficult to understand. I guess some people can't live without finding errors in everything. If you want to post in this thread, by all means, go ahead. If it bothers you fortunately you have the option to not post.
You're right though, I can't force anyone to not post. My apologies.
So far we have 180+ participants and two opposed.
maflynn
macrumors Broadwell
sorry but I shall not do that.
You're poll is that how much is apple missing out and that conclusion is incorrect as the majority of respondents are not switching platforms but waiting for apple. That means apple will not incur any lost revenue, yeah they're revenue for sales is down until they release a new laptop, but once they do. Those folks sitting on the side line will wipe out their credit cards.
People like this thread because people are responding. Just because you don't like my post, doesn't give you the right to exclude my interaction 🙄
miles01110
macrumors Core
And some people specifically ignored you.
Then why do you keep making such unverifiable statements as
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If you make an argument that is based off of dubious sources and treat them as if they were fact, expect to be shot down. In addition, as others have pointed out- Apple really isn't losing any revenue by waiting for a new model. Why is that so hard to understand?