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Usually an increasing competitive market does not result in prices increasing........
It does when you sell a sufficiently differentiated product that consumers are willing to pay a premium for.

Competition tends to drive down prices only when everybody is selling the same commoditised stuff (eg: android phones or windows laptops). Apple is smart not to go down that route.
 
It does when you sell a sufficiently differentiated product that consumers are willing to pay a premium for.

Competition tends to drive down prices only when everybody is selling the same commoditised stuff (eg: android phones or windows laptops). Apple is smart not to go down that route.

And the iPhone is sufficiently differentiated? How so? Just because it runs iOS?

Otherwise Samsung and other Android manufactures offer very competitive offerings to Apple's flagship offerings.

iPhone SE and older iPhone's are in the lineup because competition is putting pressure on Apple to offer something or else lose that segment entirely.
 
Given that the N3E process is supposedly significantly cheaper than last year's N3B process I would think that would keep at least some component pricing at bay. I would also assume that's why Apple is rumored to be using the N3E-based A18 across the board (likely with a binned variant for the regular iPhone 16) instead of putting last year's more expensive A17 in the base model.
 
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Inflation of component costs + 256GB starting storage + Pro will cost $100 more than last year
 
More reality distortion is this whole two year replacement cycle biz.

Just how often does a mobile phone need replaced?

Do people replace their refrigerators, automobiles, watches, televisions, dishwashers, water softeners, laundry machines, bed, lamps, and ovens every two years?

Now a two year replacement cycle for your spouse and kids is obviously reasonable.
When my wife turned 40, I traded her in for two twenty year-olds!
 
In Australia the iPhone 14 Pro to 15 Pro increased by $150 from $1899 to $2049.

I'll expect it to go up again this year because only Apple can spit in everyone's faces while inflation and cost of living are at their highest........and we think you're gonna love it🙄.
And for the first time there were discounts for iPhone 15 Pro and Pro Max. That never happened to the Pro models before in Australia. If the prices for 16 Pro and Pro Max are up. Wait for a few months for discounts.
 
Maybe they mean competition forces them to include more costly components, and/or that competition between smartphone manufacturers increases prices on the component market.
Fair point. But I disagree, to wit: increased demand for those components leads to economies of scale, lowering prices, not increasing them. Why not just admit there's a markup motivation and have done with it? After all, profit is the only reason for a publicly held corporation to exist.
 
And the iPhone is sufficiently differentiated? How so? Just because it runs iOS?

Otherwise Samsung and other Android manufactures offer very competitive offerings to Apple's flagship offerings.

iPhone SE and older iPhone's are in the lineup because competition is putting pressure on Apple to offer something or else lose that segment entirely.
In my opinion, mainly because of the ecosystem, but also a combination of great support (apple stores), longer software support, excellent build quality, apple silicon etc. When you put all these factors together, you quickly realise that Apple doesn't just sell a smartphone. They sell an experience made possible by their control over hardware, software and services.

This is ultimately the biggest threat to Apple's competitors. Anyone can make a smartphone, but practices like the DMA show that the competition have all but given up on trying to replicate their own ecosystem.

You can try to argue that phones are phones at the end of the day, but the hundreds of millions of iPhones sold every year clearly tell a different story. That for these people, the iPhone does offer something uniquely different and compelling for them. It could be iMessage so they can remain in a chat group, it could be the integration with their Mac (airdrop and iCloud), it could be apps like ivory and overcast, or even something as innocuous as the Apple Card.

The best thing about all this is - the consumer's decision is ultimately theirs and theirs alone, and they don't need to justify it to anyone but themselves, and it doesn't even have to make sense to you.

And the beauty of the iPhone SE, older iPhones or even 2nd-hand iPhones is that while cheaper, they don't require Apple to sacrifice margins (unlike cheaper android phones). The majority of iPhones sold appear to still be their high-end models. The iPhone SE typically uses an older phone design for which Apple has likely already written off the R&D and upfront manufacturing costs of. Even 2nd-hand iPhones continue to make Apple money by way of app revenue, subscriptions, accessories, heck, even Apple Pay.

All because Apple has its own ecosystem that it is capable of effectively monetising, and the competition doesn't.
 
The cost of phones .. eye watering for the Pro range. Base model probably not enough storage so uptick no.1.

Then add the cost of AppleCare , a case, screen protector as well.

Somewhat offset by your trade in no doubt.

Still a lot of money. Similar prices though in Pixel 9 Pro land as well (although a little more generous there).

So the upgrade has to be pretty compelling to justify the $$$

Hard to say if it will be right now based on rumours.
 
Fair point. But I disagree, to wit: increased demand for those components leads to economies of scale, lowering prices, not increasing them.
In the long run maybe, but not if supply is limited. Look at DRAM pricing for example.
 
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It really doesn't matter to me. I'm ordering a 16PM first day of pre order and there's nothing you can do to stop me. ;)
 
Hilariously Apple will offer me £445 trade in on my iPhone 13 Pro Max whereas Google will offer me £487

That's likely due to the fact that Google typically "incentivizes" the purchase of its products (discounts, inflated trade values, etc.) more than Apple incentives the purchase of its.
 
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It really doesn't matter to me. I'm ordering a 16PM first day of pre order and there's nothing you can do to stop me. ;)
Yup. Despite all the people who question the value of upgrades, I see no problem with it either.

I think of it this way: my phone is my hub for all things communication (voice and text), entertainment (streaming, games), financial, retail (including dining), travel (schedules, tickets, boarding passes, cruise ship daily planner), smart home (cameras, HVAC, doorbell), fitness tracking, news and weather, social media, alarm clock, it even has a compass and a measuring tape that I use. No other consumer product in my home other than a desktop/laptop has such versatility. So yeah, for all of it's utility, it can be worth having the latest and greatest model.

ETA: I even use my phone to schedule the WiFi pet food dispensers. The only thing it can't do is cook my dinner lol.
 
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"…Apple typically does not increase the retail prices as a result. However, that could change this year due to an increasingly competitive smartphone market."

Does anyone see a reality distortion effect here? Increased competition does not lead to increased retail prices. Competition causes lower prices as vendors "compete" for your business.

Maybe they mean competition forces them to include more costly components, and/or that competition between smartphone manufacturers increases prices on the component market.
back in the old days competitors reduced prices and others followed. These days it’s the opposite.
 
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How many casual people use more than 128GB? It should stay at $999 just to be competitive. Most people are not financially smart they only care about the monthly payment, not the total which means people don't care about the price as much. I care about the total price since I usually sell my iPhone yearly and try to get the most while other people think there getting a free upgrade from their carrier but little do they know that nothing is free.
 
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