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Now we are talking about different animals here ;)

Yes - and no. They are certainly not the same car, but there are many similarities, not the least of which are the shared hardware and platform. There are of course numerous detail differences. Audi and VW would like you to think that the two are totally different cars, of course. ;)
 
They are more different then you can imagine check out the link I posted. Then there is the customer service much better with Audi by far just look how they treat customers that have High Pressure Fuel Pump (HPFP) much different.
 
Like I said, I admit they are different. I'll even freely admit that the A3 is a higher-quality, more upmarket car in every way. If I was considering a GTI but wanted AWD, I would consider an AWD A3. But I would never buy a FWD Audi unless they brought back the A2. Despite the fancier interior/exterior trim level, service etc., I don't see a $30k+ FWD Audi A3 as being worth the extra money over a GTI. And despite all the differences, the FWD A3 is in my opinion just a GTI with four rings on the grill.

I feel like Audi missed a real opportunity by not offering the A3 TDI in AWD -especially if they used the 170hp engine that we don't get here. Had they done so, it would have been the most economical AWD vehicle in the US, and a very good performer.

The 170hp diesel AWD A3 - the Audi that should have been (and is, as long as you live in Europe).

Just as I wish VW sold the GTD here. :(
 
Considering a Subaru Legacy

Is anyone familiar with the 2012 Subaru Legacy sedan? I test drove a few of the Limiteds and was surprised at how nice they were. A (top trim) 6 cylinder limited version with Nav is about $31K.
 
Is anyone familiar with the 2012 Subaru Legacy sedan? I test drove a few of the Limiteds and was surprised at how nice they were. A (top trim) 6 cylinder limited version with Nav is about $31K.
great cars, great AWD system, awesome boxer engine, available with a turbocharged 2.5 or a nice v6. Nice interior, etc.

The legacy is like a grown up, nicer looking, more mature, and luxurious version of a WRX.
 
I test drove a Legacy, a manual, and it was very nice. I was especially impressed with the hill assist system, and how smooth and easy to operate the clutch was.The interior was very well equipped, and the leather was some of the most decent I've seen in what I would consider a non-luxury brand. Overall, it was a very nice car and I enjoyed driving it a lot, however not as much as the BMW I also just drove.

Regarding my original post, I also drove one of my friends' BMW 335xi (AWD). It was twin turbocharged, and very impressive in terms of torque. I especially liked the tight steering and brakes, and just how responsive and tight the car felt as a whole. I've basically decided to wait on purchasing longer and just buy a slightly used one, maybe even the diesel model, although the RWD only option is a huge drawback.
 
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Of course a Legacy isn't going to compare to a BMW...

but the subaru is going to be less expensive, and much cheaper over time to maintain.

As far as BMW, wonderful cars. I would consider test driving a diesel model before you purchase though. They don't have nearly the same power as a 335xi. AWD is nice, especially here in CO, but I've found that unless you drive to the mountains a lot in the winter it's not really needed. All main roads are plowed a lot so there is minimal snow build up and RWD seems to get around just fine. I personally have no problems getting places in the snow. Also, these cars typically have designated "snow" or "winter" modes that usually skip first gear and shift at much lower rpm's to help you get around if it is a little slick out.
 
I know this is an odd place to ask this, but I trust the MR community much more than a site like Yahoo! Answers. :p
Anyways, I'm currently in the market for a new car. I really would like to buy a Honda Civic (maybe the SI model because of the increased performance and manual transmission) or the Honda S2000 (Yes, I know it only gets 25MPG). However, every time it snows here I have second thoughts and start looking at all wheel drive cars, such as the Audi A4 Quattro.
Now, for as long as I can remember nearly everyone I know has told me that Audi's are only good until about 70 thousand miles, and then the car should be traded in, because that's about when Audi's require the owner to invest serious amounts of money to keep the car running. I have a GMC Yukon Denali to take if the weather gets really bad, however I would prefer not to take it as when the AWD system senses snow, it reduces the highway mileage to about 11mpg. I'm looking for a car to drive 80 miles a day (round trip), and one that's not gutless on the highway for passing either. Currently, my Camry is one of the best 2WD cars I've ever driven in the snow, however even it has problems once I get off the freeway and drive up to my house, as there's about 3 steep hills I have to worry about. This is what concerns me.
Basically, I'm wondering if an Audi A4 is a good car, meaning will it go to 150k with not that much of an investment, and if it won't what is a good car for under 20k that will?
Thanks for any suggestions.

Some random thoughts of mine:
1) I own an S2000, and with M+S tires it handles snow/slush very well. (Ice, not so much. But then, nothing would without proper winter tires or chains.)

2) Although we live in Dallas, my wife and I drove the S2000 to Denver after Thanksgiving to visit a friend. We drove back the Thursday after Thanksgiving, which had a bit of a winter storm if you recall. The S2000 passed several cars that were stuck on the side of I-25 - the ones that stick in my memory were a BMW 3-series that wasn't doing anything but spinning its tires, and some sort of truck thing on its roof in the median.

3) The S2000 has the advantage of a 50/50 weight distribution, limited slip diff, and TC/VSA on the newer models. And it gets much better than its EPA rated MPG. Driving 90 miles per day, mostly highway, I consistently get 27.5 mpg. In city driving, it's 22 mpg. Mixed drving ranges from 24 to 26 depending on specifics. Another advtange is that the weather was so warm before the storm, we had the top down. Made for some great little drives into the mountains. It has the disadvantage of low ground clearance and lots of road noise, it only seats two people, and it can't carry skis.

4) For various reasons, we've been looking at RWD/AWD sedans. Keep in mind that the wife and I are extremely performance-driving oriented, so some objections of ours are rather personal. Also, we've been looking in the high-30s, low-40s segment, wanting to snatch a used car in the mid-30s.
4a) Audi A4. Some good reliability reports, some bad reliability reports. Not sure what to believe. The 8spd auto is a nice transmission, but only available in the new models so prices of used ones are still in the high 30s at least. Drives well enough. Better acceleration than it's hp rating implies. Regarding reliability - one friend purchased a used A4 with the 3.2 engine and had to take it to the dealership to get the engine rebuilt under warranty soon after. He's at 80k miles now with no other issues. Another friend has an A8, also with 80k miles, and no issues. A friend-of-a-friend is a mechanic at an independant Audi shop and says he'd never own an Audi. But I discount that because the only cars he sees, of course, are broken ones.
4b) Subaru Legacy. Horribly floaty suspension.
4c) Lexus IS350. Nice power and handling, slow shifting transmission, rear seats don't fold down.
4d) Volvo S60 T6. Same as the Lexus but the interior is better and the rear seats fold.
4e) VW GTI and CC. Love the dual-clutch gearbox and the GTI's cornering. But the FWD feel while accelerating was annoying.
4d) Infiniti G37. Haven't driven one - it's too dang ugly.
4e) BMW 328. For something billed as "the ultimate driving machine" its sportiness was exceptionally underwhelming. And another surprise, its interior was one of the cheapest feeling of the bunch.
4f) Honda Ridgeline and Toyota Tacoma 4x4 TRD Sport. Just not our style.

Here's a photo of the S2000 in Raton, NM, on the way back from Denver.
 

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I thought the Legacy limited 3.6 sedan struck a good balance between handling and comfort. It's certainly not a sports sedan, but does handle very well. There is a clear difference between the 4 cylinder CVT transmission and the 6 cylinder conventional automatic. I much preferred the 6, even with the gas mileage penalty.

The Audi A4, Infiniti G and BMW 3 are great as long as you don't need navigation. If so, you're required to buy lots of unrelated options that send the price soaring from under $35K to over $40K.

I'm impressed that you took an S2000 for a cross country trip. That's pretty rugged traveling.
 
I wouldn't touch Audis. Pretty much every single person I spoke to except one that owned any model said they'll never buy an Audi again. If I was ever considering buying a German car (the very same day hell freezes over) it would be something like Porsche. Almost everything else they make is just overhyped and overpriced crap.
 
Basically, I'm wondering if an Audi A4 is a good car.
Yes it is a good car, likewise are the BMW 3 Series (albeit common and inexpensive as muck) and the Mercedes C-Series... basically Audi, BMW and Mercedes generally all have great build quality, do decent milage and are nice to look at.

Buy German, you won't regret it.
 
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