even when it sacrifices quality and substance?!? your own your own im sure i speak for everyone when i say that.
To what extent does the iPod Touch 4 thinness sacrifice quality and substance?
What makes you think you "speak for everyone"?
even when it sacrifices quality and substance?!? your own your own im sure i speak for everyone when i say that.
You said "Sure," but you meant "No" to the part about "same price points" and "No comment" to the part about "long term growth."
To what extent does the iPod Touch 4 thinness sacrifice quality and substance?
What makes you think you "speak for everyone"?
The rear camera on the device is capable of 720p video, but that means that its maximum resolution is 1280 x 720 -- and when it's used for still photos, that resolution becomes 960 x 720 (that's a 720p at a 4:3 ratio). Obviously this is not the same lens or sensor as the iPhone 4, and when we asked Apple about it, they said it was more a consideration of size rather than cost.
Both of these Apple products have made substantial upgrades from previous generations. Although I like both designs, I like the iPhone a lot better. I understand it may cost more to create the iPhone 4 but just from looking at it, to me, it provides more functionality.
I'd say that qualifies as a "quality sacrifice" wouldn't you??
To what extent does the iPod Touch 4 thinness sacrifice quality and substance?
What makes you think you "speak for everyone"?
The production cost for iPhone is $187.51 - that is the lower price than retail price for 8gb touch! I'm sure the new iPod touch is no more than 100$.The iPhone is definitely the better of the two. Better build quality, higher end parts, and more features.
The difference in manufacturing costs between the iPhone 4 and the iPod touch 4 is probably around $20. Won't know for sure until iSuppli does a teardown and cost analysis of the touch.
Which is why I look forward to the day when Jobs is no longer with Apple.
That's just it, they didn't keep the same price points on all three models; just on two. So if the 8GB can go up $30 with people still buying it, then so can the 32GB and 64GB models.
People will pay for increased functionality.
Check this out. A quote from Engadget when enquiring Greg Jozwiak (Apple's Vice-President of Product Marketing for iPod and iPhone) about the new Touch's camera quality:
I'd say that qualifies as a "quality sacrifice" for the thinness wouldn't you??
On another note, I swear he's made this deliberately thin so we're forced into buying cases for the damn thing! (Look at it this way, Apple get licensing fees from official accessories made by other firms, so it would make sense for it to get thinner and thinner over time)
As for Steve Jobs being as stubborn as a mule when it comes to listening to the public as well as the people who buy his products, I would say that the big difference between a good CEO and a bad CEO is that a good CEO is willing to admit that they've fecked up and aren't perfect whereas a bad CEO is arrogant, stubborn and refuses to admit that they're wrong! Bobby Kotick of Activision is a example of a bad CEO and Steve Jobs is slowly heading down the path of a bad CEO!
I've got a Classic. For me, it's too thick and heavy to be comfortable in my pocket. Thin is good.
You're talking only parts. Research and development is never figured into these tear-down prices, and would add greatly to the wholesale, direct-from-factory cost. From there you add in costs for everything else - that means R&D, packaging, shipping, storage, Apple stores themselves, Apple employees, etc. (and in the case of the Iphone, AT&T gets a cut, I'm sure.) When you see a price for breakdowns like that, figure it's at minimum half the actual price, and most often it's much lower than the real price. I'm always amazed at how shocked people are at how little things cost. Like companies build things for $195 and only charge $4.95 extra, and that's their profit. Figure whatever you buy, anywhere, is really worth 1/4-1/3 what you're really paying for it, and you're probably in the ballpark.The production cost for iPhone is $187.51 - that is the lower price than retail price for 8gb touch! I'm sure the new iPod touch is no more than 100$.
I love all the arm-chair industrial designers filling up this thread. You guys surely know better than those inexperienced hacks working at Apple.
[Steve Jobs] makes ALL the decisions; the customers be damned.
I'd love to see someone take over Apple who isn't the control-freak that he is, and have Apple use focus group input before foisting another product on us that is more about FORM than FUNCTION.
Even though I have a 4G, it's not exactly what it could have been, had he not be so frickin' obsessed with thinness. (that, and MINIMALISM)
They are free to not buy the products, you know. If people feel the product isn't worth what it costs, they don't have to buy it. Do you disagree?
No focus group input? Apple doesn't do research into interfaces, no prototyping, no study of how people use their devices? Interesting.
So you bought the product, and if it was better you'd buy that one too. What's Jobs to blame for here?
He has hampered my enjoyment of the product by being obsessed with thinness, which has reduced component quality (camera and battery, to name just two).
JUST BECAUSE I BOUGHT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT COULDN'T HAVE BEEN A SUPERIOR PRODUCT, had Jobs not been in charge.
We ALL buy things that aren't EXACTLY what we want--we buy the CLOSEST thing. That is a fact of life. and it's a fact of life that Jobs is controlling the look, function, and features of Apple's product lines.
Would they have been able to hit the same price points with better components while maintaining the margins and long term growth that their investors expect?
I know it's a lot easier to say 'jobs thin obsessed bla bla bla' but that doesn't mean it's true or that the alternatives suggested are reasonable.
You CAN'T be serious. Of COURSE it's true. Apple products are PROOF he is obsessed with thinness.
Tinfoil hat? Licensing fees are negligible to Apple's bottom line.
Seriously, when did Jobs piss in your cheerios? Can people really not see success when it is staring them in the face?