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I was thinking the same.

And by immediate, I mean immediate.

I have terminated my contract for my military service before ... Once it took an hour to go through, the other time it was only a few minutes - I wasn't even able to make a call after I called CS.
 
No one is acting like they were forced to sign anything. But when I sign up for phone service and can't even receive a phone call in my own home because the service is THAT bad, you better believe I will take advantage of a $0.05 increase to get out of my contract. No one should be forced to pay $$$$ for subpar service. Obviously people want to get out of contracts early because they are unhappy with their service. Perhaps if these companies focused more on customer service and providing adequate coverage, people wouldn't be dying to get out of their contracts. Other people getting out of their contract early w/o penalty doesn't affect you at all. I suggest you direct your frustration towards things that are actually worth moaning about.

The. Why did you sign a contract you are not willing to hold up to? Your word is now worthless to me and anyone else.

If you sign a contract for a service you want it to be held as best as possible. If you knew service was not going to be good, then why on Earth did you sign? Was someone forcing you? Was there a gun to your head? Now then, don't use weasle like excuses to break a contract you knowingly entered.
 
To be fair, there's some truth to what was said.

Trying to weasel your way out of a contract (one which provided you with a discounted phone; which was entered knowingly) based on a trivial/inconsequential difference in a fee is unethical/dishonest. I couldn't care less if people try to do it—good luck to ’em—but people should at least be honest with themselves about the choices they're making.

Not really

There is nothing wrong with breaking a contract if it allows for it. Far from being "illicit/illegal" as ATT would have to honor it if indeed the contract was terminated (ie both parties acted so it can never ever be illegal...)

Now weather canceling a contract based off a 5 cent change is ethical, that is another question and lies with the person. However, if a 5 cent change allows for canceling a contract, then I am 100% ok with it.

However, I do not care for companies as they always try to take advantage of the consumer in most cases and look out for their bottom line. For instance, ATT charges the same plan rates for unsubsidized phones as subsidized (which the plans are supposed to be making up the cost). Why should a customer not be entitled to act in their best interest as long as the contract allows for it?

In summary, I have no idea why jav6454 thinks it's illicit nor cares what other people are legally able to do.

Come now, here I was thinking you were smarter than this.
Likewise...

I get it that you don't agree with the method, I really do, but if the contract permits it, it is not illicit by any imagination of the word

Now, other than you just not liking the supposed way to get out of paying the etf, please spell out how it is illicit, as you say, to break a contract if it allows for it. I am quite interested
 
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Not really

There is nothing wrong with breaking a contract if it allows for it. Far from being "illicit/illegal" as ATT would have to honor it if indeed the contract was terminated (ie both parties acted so it can never ever be illegal...)

Now weather canceling a contract based off a 5 cent change is ethical, that is another question and lies with the person. However, if a 5 cent change allows for canceling a contract, then I am 100% ok with it.

However, I do not careto companies as they always try to take advantage of the consumer in most cases and look out for their bottom line. For instance, ATT charges the same plan rates for unsubsidized phones as subsidized (which the plans are supposed to be making up the cost). Why should a customer not be entitled to act in their best interest as long as the contract allows for it?

In summary, I have no idea why jav6454 thinks it's illicit nor cares what other people are legally able to do.


Why I think so? Because the terms explicitly say you can't use that specific charge to get out of contract. Just because a few lucky souls have doesn't make it so.
 
The. Why did you sign a contract you are not willing to hold up to? Your word is now worthless to me and anyone else.

If you sign a contract for a service you want it to be held as best as possible. If you knew service was not going to be good, then why on Earth did you sign? Was someone forcing you? Was there a gun to your head? Now then, don't use weasle like excuses to break a contract you knowingly entered.

Because she found out the service was bad. How would she find that out before hand?
 
I did this with sprint about 2 years ago. Canceled using the online chat and told them about the fee. Wasnt hard at all and didnt take long.
 
Why I think so? Because the terms explicitly say you can't use that specific charge to get out of contract. Just because a few lucky souls have doesn't make it so.

I haven't read the full thread.

If it (being the contract) states that you can't use the method in the op and people are just catching reps off guard, then I do not agree with it

However, it is not illegal (as both parties would have had to agreed to cancel it). Unethical, yes
 
No one is acting like they were forced to sign anything. But when I sign up for phone service and can't even receive a phone call in my own home because the service is THAT bad, you better believe I will take advantage of a $0.05 increase to get out of my contract. No one should be forced to pay $$$$ for subpar service. Obviously people want to get out of contracts early because they are unhappy with their service. Perhaps if these companies focused more on customer service and providing adequate coverage, people wouldn't be dying to get out of their contracts. Other people getting out of their contract early w/o penalty doesn't affect you at all. I suggest you direct your frustration towards things that are actually worth moaning about.

1. You can return it within 30 days if you don't like the way it works/service.
2. You can get of your contract for poor service, without your .05 loophole.
 
Exactly. It's legal and in the contract. Some people here just don't get it and are overthinking this entirely or reading the T&C incorrectly. If the Fed Uni charge goes UP, you get out FREE. Couldn't be anymore clear. My sister is on the phone now with ATT to cancel, I'll let you know what happens.

Wrong again. Horribly wrong. Sprint was changing their terms. This was a huge thing and it featured as an article in Gizmodo. Many, boatloads, people cancelled their Sprint contracts. It was not the same fee you are exploiting(which is also excluded in Sprint). It was Sprint levied charge that was going up and so people had that choice and Sprint did send out letters

This is not the same thing.
 
Exactly. It's legal and in the contract. Some people here just don't get it and are overthinking this entirely or reading the T&C incorrectly. If the Fed Uni charge goes UP, you get out FREE. Couldn't be anymore clear. My sister is on the phone now with ATT to cancel, I'll let you know what happens.

Please do, I'm interested to see how they're handling these types of calls today. If successful, could you also let me know whether they allowed her to continue service month-to-month, or whether they terminated her line immediately?

Thank you.
 
I haven't read the full thread.

If it (being the contract) states that you can't use the method in the op and people are just catching reps off guard, then I do not agree with it

However, it is not illegal (as both parties would have had to agreed to cancel it). Unethical, yes

Three posters posted here the Terms of Agreement paragraph in question. All of them agree the charge OP is tying to exploit is excluded and can't be used as an excuse. OP however keeps on being delusional despite having been proven WRONG over and over.
 
You know, I'm skeptical that it actually works.

But for those who are actually *serious* about wanting to leave, is it not worth a try anyways? Worse that happens is you still have to pay the fee, or you stay with AT&T because you can't get out of it and don't want to pay the fee. Basically, worse that happens is you are back to square one.

So I think it's probably worth trying for anyone who seriously does want to leave (and don't care about the ethical question of ripping off the company since you already took advantage of them subsidizing a phone for you).

But, I would mention I am betting AT&T won't let you back on at least for a set amount of time. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere recently they do tend to blacklist people for leaving mid contract at least for a certain period of time. So, I'd be certain you want to leave AT&T (personally I'd not do it if it meant a permaban unless I had something against AT&T on principle, like they ripped me off and I'm never giving them another dime, not over bad connection cause maybe one day they'll have the better connection or maybe one day the company you are with will do something horrid to you and AT&T might be one of the reasonable other choices. You never know. Plus, I find it slightly unethical cause they subsidized your phone with the plan they'd get the money back through the contract so you're ultimately ripping them off of the money they subsidized you).

I am not trying it though cause I have no motivation to leave *shrug*.
 
Three posters posted here the Terms of Agreement paragraph in question. All of them agree the charge OP is tying to exploit is excluded and can't be used as an excuse. OP however keeps on being delusional despite having been proven WRONG over and over.

I caught up reading the thread

Seems pretty clear that ATT addresses the very issue the OP is talking about in the contract we all sign

How is their any doubt in her mind? Seems black and white to me...


You know, I'm skeptical that it actually works.

But for those who are actually *serious* about wanting to leave, is it not worth a try anyways? Worse that happens is you still have to pay the fee, or you stay with AT&T because you can't get out of it and don't want to pay the fee. Basically, worse that happens is you are back to square one.

So I think it's probably worth trying for anyone who seriously does want to leave.

But, I would mention I am betting AT&T won't let you back on at least for a set amount of time. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere recently they do tend to blacklist people for leaving mid contract at least for a certain period of time. So, I'd be certain you want to leave AT&T (personally I'd not do it if it meant a permaban unless I had something against AT&T on principle, like they ripped me off and I'm never giving them another dime, not over bad connection cause maybe one day they'll have the better connection or maybe one day the company you are with will do something horrid to you and AT&T might be one of the reasonable other choices. You never know).

I am not trying it though cause I have no motivation to leave *shrug*.

A general question. If ATT actually did breach their contract, could one get out of it and simply rejoin again with ATT but now be tied month to month (with the new terms of course) and be eligible for new subsidized pricing?

Another question. Does the iphone still require a mandatory 2yr contract, even if one has completed their entire initial contract?
 
Phone rep says she has no idea what this fee is (surprise, surprise). Waiting to be transferred to supervisor. BTW, my sister's FUC went up $0.08 in Dec. Went up 8 times in 2010. And my sister wants to get out because she cannot make/receive any calls in her new apartment building. She's had ATT for 14 months.

Barely any rep what that fee is because it is handed down fee from he government.
 
OP... you do realize that carriers may blackball you right? Sure you can keep canceling your contract over and over but at a certain pt, they will rather just not have you as a customer if you decide to join back in the future.

No network is obligated to enroll you.
 
Another question. Does the iphone still require a mandatory 2yr contract, even if one has completed their entire initial contract?

Do you mean like if you already have the iphone, have had it for the 2 years, but the contract is up would they make you get another 2 year to keep using the iphone? If so, no, it's not mandatory. Me and my roommate's contracts were up slightly (like a month or so) before the iphone 4 was out and had no issues being on month to month til it was out.

If you mean if you get a new iphone? I'm not sure if AT&T allows you to go month to month on a new iphone (say you bought used or bought full price from Apple) and you are not on contract already. I've never tried or worried about it (I always just get a subsidized phone from them when my contract runs out. I have had no issues so have no problems taking advantage of a cheaper phone by agreeing to be with them for 2 more years).
 
Not necessarily true. I needed the $0.05 "loophole" because although the service sucked and I had no ability to place/receive calls, the area in which I moved was on their coverage map and therefore they told me the service WAS sufficient. I wouldn't have been able to get out otherwise.
Wait a second - a few pages ago you boasted that you were able to cancel the contracts of friends and family too. Unless you all live together it sounds as if you're justifying yourself with any reason that comes to mind.

If you had service issues that is very easily documented. You're not making your case any stronger by rationalizing your tactics with lies. If you are successful in canceling contracts then good for you (even though I disagree with the whole idea); however I seriously doubt that any of the providers would ever have you back - especially if you complained about coverage issues. There are only a handful of decent providers so I'd not be so inclined to burn bridges to get one measly feature or some minor phone upgrade.

Your sheer quantity of replies clues me in that something's not quite right with you :).
 
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