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Yes Apple has a long ways to go before Apple Maps is competitive, but they need users to give feedback. That's they only way they can get better.

I don't think that will be a problem, in fact it would seem quite likely Apple will be getting so much feedback they'd need an army just to process them in a timely manner.
 
Apple, you can do it. We can help.
I most certainly agree that Apple with their hired ex Google map experts will get the job done.

Since they get paid, I'll leave the reporting to others, as I continue to enjoy Googles fine product.

Then once Apple maps are up to speed I'll evaluate them to see if they offer any advantages that are of benefit to me.

It's good to have choices :)
 
I'm sorry, but the way this story reads makes it sound like it's not Apple's fault, and they're just using other people's data. That's baloney.

For instance, Apple uses TomTom's data, but yet TomTom is a ton more accurate than Apple. One of the biggest issues I've noticed is Apple's maps placing addresses on the wrong side of the street, whereas my GPS will put it on the right side of the street.

At the end of the day, I can only fault Apple for releasing a premature product. I'm not going to take my time and click every single instance of where they got things wrong... if it were a few mistakes here and there, I'd be happy to do so, but with this scale of fail, it's on Apple to fix their mistake. In the meantime, I can only hope that Google will be so good as to bail us iOS6 users out and submit Google Maps for the App Store, and Apple will be good enough to admit defeat and approve it.

Hell, I'd pay $ for a working google maps app.
 
It is not that easy to force Google Maps out or ask to standalone. Microsoft got burnt by making just Internet Explorer 6 as default, and by not allowing Fifefox to integrate. Their argument at that time was they owned the OS. MSFT still paying for its mistakes.

So in any court, Google can force Apple to allow any Maps app to be default.

No, they can't. Apple isn't a monopoly so they can't abuse a monopoly position, so they're not breaking any antitrust laws.
 
tough.

please tell me you don't expect me to help Apple fix this. this is a screen cap of entire blocks of businesses in Chicago that have no information. CHICAGO!!! this is what i've found for multiple areas in the city when trying to find POI to get to or send people.

it's neither reasonable to force this on me nor ask me to do their homework for them in order to make it a working product.

btw, don't tell me it's because of my zoom level. i zoomed all the way in and out and didn't have anything show up.

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Then wait for people like me to do it for you.
 
But YouTube has never been seen as a competitive advantage between Android and iOS - Google Maps was/is.

I'm not drinking any kool-aid. I didn't buy my iPhone based on its GPS capabilities. Honestly I'd advise all the people who are so up in arms about this and can't understand why Apple would build their own mapping solution to go buy Android or Nokia - or buy a GPS or one of the countless other map/navigation options out there.

Really, you compare the craptacular Apple made YouTube app with the much superior Google made one for Android you call that not an advantage?

And I am getting an Android for my next phone, the Samsung Galaxy Note II so I can have proper maps and YouTube on a screen that doesn't make me squint to read text from webpages in portrait mode.
 
Nothing in Apple history has been such failure as the release of Final Cut X while taking FCP 7 off the shelves. What a huge mistake. The rest are peanuts... yet.

Newton

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Really, you compare the craptacular Apple made YouTube app with the much superior Google made one for Android you call that not an advantage?

And I am getting an Android for my next phone, the Samsung Galaxy Note II so I can have proper maps and YouTube on a screen that doesn't make me squint to read text from webpages in portrait mode.

Why stop there! Get a 10". While you're at it.

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And you will be beta testers for years.

Isn't google maps and/or gmail still in beta?
 
Oh btw, if you feel the money you spent on your iPhone is wasted because the Apple maps are quite there yet (you saying they're broken is like me saying they're amazing - for some they work and for some they don't) you probably should've just bought a $150 GPS.....

Laughable that you complainers dismiss every other key feature and update because ONE app isn't perfect (again, for some it works for some it doesn't)....

It's 20% of my usage and that 20% is now broken - "buy a 150$ GPS" might be the dumbest reply to a legitimate complaint that the ********** software is broken almost beyond repair in this case.

Why do you want to debate other key features in a thread ABOUT maps is if you are not trying to apply maximum trolling yourself (like you indicate "complainers" are). The best argument against Apple products is their own users.
 
Maps Verification

Don't get me wrong, I'm an Apple Fan Boy, but it occurred to me that there is one way Apple can verify that a submitted map error or omission is not spam. Just compare the report to Google and Nokia's map pages.
 
This article makes the same mistake as many when reporting on Apple's Map App. Namely, it implies that the whole Apple Map product is worst than Google's product. That simply isn't the case. First, Apple's Map App based on Google's maps itself sucked. It got me lost on several occasions, it rendered slow, lacked turn by turn, and it also occasionally got point of interest information wrong. I never used it. I actually paid for Navigon, which is excellent in terms of giving you directions and fair in terms of giving you points of interest. I also enjoyed the free Map Quest App.


In truth, Apple's Map renders much quicker, corrects for changes in directions very fast, the graphics are better, it has turn by turn, and in my testing around Ann Arbor Michigan the point of interest information is pretty good. Some guy in China just wrote an article stating how superior Apple's Map offerings are for China over Google. So, instead of bashing the product outright, it would be more constructive to point out areas of the world where the product needs the most help, and most specific problems.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm an Apple Fan Boy, but it occurred to me that there is one way Apple can verify that a submitted map error or omission is not spam. Just compare the report to Google and Nokia's map pages.

By Apple's arguments, that's just as bad as copying "its" patented rounded corners. You can't compare your products to someone else's to try to improve, remember?
 



Powerful is a relative term. In some ways Apple's Map is superior. As I previously mentioned, it is much faster at rendering information, the graphics are better, it corrects for route changes more fast.

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This is really not going to be an effective way to fix the problem at some places. Where I live, pretty much all of the POI data is wrong as it's probably coming from YELP, a service with no users around here. Also there are not enough iPhone users here to make it work.

Also, didn't we already pay for Apple for this service? Now we have to work for it too? I would be willing to contribute if this was an open system, but why should I start working for Apple for free? They have the money, they can buy the data.


Google has the money, yet it is getting the information for free. You paid Apple for a phone, not Maps Specifically. Further, you can still return the phone if you are truly unhappy.

Finally, Apple is not a "they" it is a "it." So, what you meant to say is, "it has the money, it can buy the data."
 
Can you get me the link to that statement about the "most powerful mapping service ever"? It's not a part of Apple's iOS 6 info.

Peace,
Gene

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You paid for the phone. You also pay for the computer that would run the free Google Maps service. What's the difference?

Peace,
Gene

The difference is you don't get to tout your maps as the "most amazing ever" when they aren't even close. Let alone even on par with the maps app you removed and replaced.

That's the difference. Maps is PART of iOS. It's cumulative to the phone. It's not a "freebie".
 
Google has the money, yet it is getting the information for free. You paid Apple for a phone, not Maps Specifically. Further, you can still return the phone if you are truly unhappy.

Finally, Apple is not a "they" it is a "it." So, what you meant to say is, "it has the money, it can buy the data."

Google doesn't get it for "free". It does it's own mapping, street view and imaging now and pays for third party data when it can't do it. Apple is the one free loading off the work of others.
 
So, instead of bashing the product outright, it would be more constructive to point out areas of the world where the product needs the most help, and most specific problems.

Isn't it what most people in here do?

There have been several constructive posts dealing with the everything from the clunky feedback system to why the rendering errors occur. Still doesn't change the fact that this is a half baked product in an early alfa state and it still doesn't change the need for Apple to get in front of this soon - why is that so unfair in your mind?

At least the iPhone Maps jokes have been really good...
 
I reported a coffee shop that has changed names a few days ago. I now see that it's been removed so perhaps they are actively working on errors.

The problem is that they are using yelp. Why can't they use other databases. There needs to be some type of open database that everyone can use with accurate GPS positions etc.

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And I am getting an Android for my next phone .....

There has to be something about the new iPhone or 3 million people would not ordered one.

As I say to every one in a pisZZing contest / circle jerk on the interwebs, if you prefer blondes over redheads get yourself a blond, if you hate Ford and want a BMW get a BMW ...... simple really.
 
Map Verification

By Apple's arguments, that's just as bad as copying "its" patented rounded corners. You can't compare your products to someone else's to try to improve, remember?

I never said copy Google or Nokia maps just verify using 3-4 established sources that the request is legitimate.
 
The fact that Apple would force this on their users is a bad sign.

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And for the life of me, I cannot understand the people who try to excuse this because it's a new product. It's a new product that they're forcing on their customers when there are already far-superior products available. Why does Apple feel the need to compete on something like this, and why do they feel entitled to compete at the expense of their customers? It's all really bad and ugly.
 
I never said copy Google or Nokia maps just verify using 3-4 established sources that the request is legitimate.

What good would that do? Although Google or Nokia might be right (more often) you can't really trust them - this is why Google uses their own eyes and ears (StreetView cars and local editors amongst others). For crowd sourcing to work you need a crowd, local POI's will then be added and changed accordingly by "the crowd". So far Apple haven't indicated how they see this playing out - do they reply on local editors or do they think Yelp or TomTom got that covered (newsflash: they don't).
 
I am pretty sure Apple will soon dismiss the issue by giving iUsers some lame reason, making them think it is a feature.
 
I've mainly been a reader of the forums and haven't posted here before, but I'm just going to voice my opinion. I think it's complete bull to have users do the work of Apple. When Google first came out with their maps service, it sucked, and I didn't use it. I didn't risk trying to use it to fix a broken program and end up lost or in the middle of no where. I used a GPS. This is the same case here. I had a perfectly working iPhone 4, and though the iPhone 5 would be a complete upgrade, but the Apple Maps makes it a completely flawed device for someone who has to drive often.

Every time Apples messes up, it's always because of their arrogance. It was their arrogance with ping, when they thought they could create their own social network without anyone outside giving input, and this is the same where they tried to do it on their own without any input or feedback. Even their feeble attempt now to fix the issue won't help matters. Adding 15-18 new employees to be locked into a room to fix this won't fix it anytime in the near future. It took Google 7 years, over 4,000 employees, and thousands of camera fitted cars to make their maps program work.

I understand Apple is trying to be more independent, and not as reliant on a competitor, but it does not mean they should sacrifice the consumer for it. Apple should have been working on a mapping program 2 years ago, not several months ago. Apple has the bigger and better ecosystem than Android and Windows, but without a working mapping application, and poor competitors in third party apps, it's essentially a Windows PC without office applications.
 
Google Maps was, and always has been, free. The iPhone5 cost me $899 to take home an unlocked one, and the Maps app is the number one non-hardware feature they're advertising about the phone (http://www.apple.com/iphone/built-in-apps/).

I don't want to be a part of a crowdsourcing community. I have zero interest in taking time out of my day to communicate with Apple about their map inaccuracies. I want a map that works, as advertised, out of the box. If Apple wants help with their map data they can pay me my freelance rate.

I would say the android would suit you better if you require google maps. Isn't that the whole idea of choice? Choose apple or android in what thy offer you as a paying customer
 
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