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I didn't say that AR viewing is a gimmick. I'm talking about Apple using AR to show you how a shiny new Mac Pro will look on your desk. That's the advertising gimmick. If that tempts me to buy a Mac Pro, then the same advertising technique might tempt me to buy an iMac.

I doubt Apple is using this to sway any real buyers one way or the other. It's mostly there to demonstrate to non-buyers the potential of ARKit and show off Apple's industrial design.
 
What did you think it would cost?

Oh, let's see, maybe around the $3000-$4000 mark for an entry-level model, like the Mac Pro trashcan that it replaced, or the original cheesegrater? Options to infinity and beyond goes without saying, but that's always been true of the Mac Pro.

Or, at least sub-$5000 considering that the entry spec is swings-and-roundabouts with the $5000 iMac Pro (which includes a display that would cost $1000+ to match and a full 1TB of SSD).

...instead, its 6 grand for an 8-core Xeon (which isn't out yet so we can't really compare prices) and 580X GPU that isn't as good as the top-end option for a non-pro iMac (so no sneaking a pair of $1500 Nvidia Quadros into that 'equivalent' HP workstation that costs $8000, folks!). I think some people are mentally associating those impressive benchmarks and demos of the 28 core/Vega II/afterburner with the $6000 price of the entry-level model.

My expectation was that it would be priced so that an entry Mac Pro + display didn't undercut the iMac Pro. I guess I was technically right...

What Apple don't (or don't want to) get is that there are other reasons for wanting the versatility of a PCIe tower than needing to render Pixar's latest opus.

Let's also wait for the unbiassed reviews of that 'equivalent to a $20,000 reference monitor' display from people who use $20,000 reference monitors before we forgive that price, too. I know nothing, but if I were to speculate idly, do those reference monitors maybe include some sort of industry certification or license that costs a fortune...?
 
Ohhhhh!! Here's what it will look like in my kitchen!
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Holes look like peacock tail feathers. Feet look like bird claws.

Like it better now?

On my desk, where the original hangs over the edge by two inches?

It would be on the floor.

Wonder how many of the kvetchers bought the trashcan?
 
"
How to See What the New Mac Pro Would Look Like on Your Desk"

The title is absurd. Provide me ONE example from a pro user that would have that thing on his DESK?
(PS I'm asking about real pro users not some hipster YouTube blogger.)

The whole wheels under the new Mac Pro gets too much attention as well.
The fact that there's a rack version available but hardly mentioned on MacRumors is another face palm right there.
 
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Or rather, "The only way you'll ever see what the New Mac Pro looks like sitting on your desk" ;)
 
I, too, am wondering storage. I understand why (internal) magnetic storage had to go: it’s bulky and slow. But if there aren’t several M.2 or similar storage slots I’m really surprised, as that seems to be the most common form-factor for internal SSDs (I could be wrong).

I’m guessing Apple expects you to use the PCIe slots for storage, which is fine I guess, but what are the options available? Are there adapters if you want to buy or already have M.2 cards?

What did the Trash Can Mac Pro use?

After reading up some more I think Apple chose to go the soldered storage route due to the T2 security chips that are on new macs which encrypts the drives. Guess it would be less efficient with all users using different brands of SSD.

But their GPU’s still look proprietary and non standard.

The trash can Pro storage was soldered onto the board as well.
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No it wouldn’t.
[doublepost=1559737757][/doublepost]If you want to scrounge together parts to build a Frankenstein machine like it’s a Fallout game go right ahead and do so. Just don’t expect support from Apple. They build machines for everyone but you and have always done so. Stop asking for things that will never happen.

They need to build a mid range tower and display for those who don’t want an all in one. I’d want an 8 Core i9, 16GB RAM minimum as a starting point, 1TB SSD and a decent graphics card priced at around £2000. All of which should be standard parts, non proprietary and be able to be purchased in any computer shop in the world. The user should be able to just pop out a component and plug the new one in.

The Mac Mini is not that machine. It compromises on the graphics and I wouldn’t want to have an eGPU sat on the desk looking unsightly, plus the added £500+ cost on top of the Mac itself. It’s also an extremely closed system with no upgradeability outside of Apple stores.
 
I don’t need a display and what I want is a Mac Pro that isn’t insanely expensive. The last 3 Mac Pro’s have all cost around 3-4K for the base model. Even with inflation taken into account there’s a huge Apple mark up on this thing and the base model specs are pretty laughable. Don’t believe me? Watch what the experts say


LMAO! Linus is FAR from being an expert!

This is the same guy who’s staff broke an iMac Pro’s screen admittedly on YouTube and then whines that Apple should fix it under warranty.

Linus at best is a school yard whiner with the luck of having a few toys and wieners that follow his every vlog entry.

Spitting specs and championing Windows and PCs like so many thousands of other dweebs does NOT make anyone an expert. I bet he still uses drag n drop / copy past for several files/folders to another PC vs Robocopy (same mistake shown stealing secrets in the movie Snowden) lol.

No. Linus is no expert at all. I’ve seen his whining diatribes and their comical at best.
[doublepost=1560066863][/doublepost]$1000 for a damn monitor stand ... come on Apple that’s just insulting to your buyers! This is the kind of stuff someone at Apple should be fired for!
 
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The previous cheese grater had this really annoying bit near the front of the case that was impossible to clean and accumulated fluff balls. No amount of compressed air could blow it clear.

With (apparently) no filters I hope this doesn’t suffer from the same.
The fans can be programmed to reverse direction for 5-20 seconds, once every 1-4 hours, thereby helping to minimize the accumulation of airborne particles (™)
 
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They need to build a mid range tower and display for those who don’t want an all in one. I’d want an 8 Core i9, 16GB RAM minimum as a starting point, 1TB SSD and a decent graphics card priced at around £2000. All of which should be standard parts, non proprietary and be able to be purchased in any computer shop in the world. The user should be able to just pop out a component and plug the new one in.

The Mac Mini is not that machine. It compromises on the graphics and I wouldn’t want to have an eGPU sat on the desk looking unsightly, plus the added £500+ cost on top of the Mac itself. It’s also an extremely closed system with no upgradeability outside of Apple stores.
No they do not need to do any of that. You are not looking for a Mac, you are looking for a PC. The world does not revolve around you.
 
No they do not need to do any of that. You are not looking for a Mac, you are looking for a PC. The world does not revolve around you.

I get the "do not Need" part, but the rest of your reply is pure conjecture... well, maybe not "pure" ;)
 
No they do not need to do any of that. You are not looking for a Mac, you are looking for a PC. The world does not revolve around you.

Many Mac users having be crying out for such a machine for years.

Macs are basically PC's these days. The only reason Apple design half the stuff they put into their computers is to lock users in and force them to upgrade at the time of purchase for high prices. They're designing throwaway systems to try force upgrade cycles.
 
LMAO! Linus is FAR from being an expert!

This is the same guy who’s staff broke an iMac Pro’s screen admittedly on YouTube and then whines that Apple should fix it under warranty.

Linus at best is a school yard whiner with the luck of having a few toys and wieners that follow his every vlog entry.

Spitting specs and championing Windows and PCs like so many thousands of other dweebs does NOT make anyone an expert. I bet he still uses drag n drop / copy past for several files/folders to another PC vs Robocopy (same mistake shown stealing secrets in the movie Snowden) lol.

No. Linus is no expert at all. I’ve seen his whining diatribes and their comical at best.
[doublepost=1560066863][/doublepost]$1000 for a damn monitor stand ... come on Apple that’s just insulting to your buyers! This is the kind of stuff someone at Apple should be fired for!
He’s more of an expert than 99% of people. Also, if you knew what you were talking about you’d know he actually offered to pay for the repair but Apple refused.
 
He’s more of an expert than 99% of people. Also, if you knew what you were talking about you’d know he actually offered to pay for the repair but Apple refused.
He offered to pay for a repair that Apple don't perform after he deliberately destroyed his iMac, and then whined about it. He is an expert douche indeed.
 
If only there was a video that showed him ACCIDENTALLY breaking the iMac... oh wait, there is! Get your facts straight ;)
 
If only there was a video that showed him ACCIDENTALLY breaking the iMac... oh wait, there is! Get your facts straight ;)
He took it apart and dropped the screen. That's on him.

Apple reserves the right to refuse service on gear that has been modified by the user, or if there are signs of tampering with the equipment. This is an accountability issue, and sometimes a safety matter for the repair crew.
 
He took it apart and dropped the screen. That's on him.

Apple reserves the right to refuse service on gear that has been modified by the user, or if there are signs of tampering with the equipment. This is an accountability issue, and sometimes a safety matter for the repair crew.
And for years Apple refused to touch a product that had been repaired by a third party because they’re greedy and want to lock customers in. They’ve since reversed that policy.

You still claimed he deliberately destroyed it, which was not the case.

Anyway, my initial point was this guy is incredibly knowledgeable about all things computer related and therefore that makes him an expert.
 
After reading up some more I think Apple chose to go the soldered storage route due to the T2 security chips that are on new macs which encrypts the drives. Guess it would be less efficient with all users using different brands of SSD.

But their GPU’s still look proprietary and non standard.

The trash can Pro storage was soldered onto the board as well.
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They need to build a mid range tower and display for those who don’t want an all in one. I’d want an 8 Core i9, 16GB RAM minimum as a starting point, 1TB SSD and a decent graphics card priced at around £2000. All of which should be standard parts, non proprietary and be able to be purchased in any computer shop in the world. The user should be able to just pop out a component and plug the new one in.

The Mac Mini is not that machine. It compromises on the graphics and I wouldn’t want to have an eGPU sat on the desk looking unsightly, plus the added £500+ cost on top of the Mac itself. It’s also an extremely closed system with no upgradeability outside of Apple stores.

The trash can used an NVMe stick, though it has non standard connectors. Replacement drives are available from OWC, and others make and adapter that will allow Samsung sticks to be used.

Apple is not going to make a mid range tower. Best thing would be for someone to make an eGPU for the Mini that matched it in a stack, much like the old MiniStack. I think many of us expected this to be the direction for the are Pro.
 
He’s more of an expert than 99% of people. Also, if you knew what you were talking about you’d know he actually offered to pay for the repair but Apple refused.

If you knew what you were talking about his own qualified tech messed up didn’t read how to take off the screen as well doing so voided the warranty. He and his team were foolish to begin with. Case closed. Offering to pay for voiding the warranty for his n teams mistake doesn’t hide that fact, yet defend all ya wish.
 
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