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Not good, not good at all :( My primary W10 notebook with the 8750H holds up extremely well. TBH I don't see the point of Apple using this level of hardware only for it to be crippled by poor design choice...
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Ai yiyi. I just unboxed my i9 machine ......will see what happens over the next two weeks.

It's already been proven that the fan curve is v co conservative but it's not even reaching the boost clocks.

 
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So i'm with a 2015 mid MBP and will upgrade, i need the 32GB ram as i run Fusion all the time. At the moment what drives me nuts on this MBP is the fans spin up a lot and often for reasons i can't quite work out. 4980HQ at 2.8 GHz

What would be really useful to know is on the 2018 what sort of temps do the fans kick in and the temps that they kick in on high speed?

I run iStat and i've doubled checked the temp against the intel one, so i know i'm on the correct sensor.

My idle on this is 57 degrees (right now) and fans are on about 2000 (basically silent). Booting Fusion up i'm on 98 now (fans still silent but slowly kicking in). Now on 50% util and fans are running, temp back to 78. Booted up PPro as well, doing a render. So CPU is maxed out. Temp 82 and fans on about 6k each side. Temp maintaining 80 degrees. The frequency (IA) shows between 2.2 and sometimes as low as 1, i guess this is throttling?

So really what i would like to know is the kind of temps the MBP2018 is hitting and the trigger points for the fans.

many thanks
Paul
 
Ai yiyi. I just unboxed my i9 machine ......will see what happens over the next two weeks.

It's already been proven that the fan curve is v co conservative but it's not even reaching the boost clocks.


Apple needs to fix it ASAP in software if at all possible, before it becomes a laughing stock. New Zenbook Pro just got shredded in reviews for exactly the same reason.

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I just got my 13" base model and seen some weird throttling in the Intel Power Gadget.. It throttles to 400Mhz for no reason. The fans go nuts and its slows to crawl and a bit later its fine again. Seems like a Mojave B4 issue or something... The fans come up very early while on the old model it would only spin faster if the cpu was reaching 100c now it doesn't come close to 100c. Anyone else seeing this happening?
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EDIT: Right now it isn't doing anything special and the CPU is only at around 20-30% temperatures around 50-60c but the fans are on 5000+RPM. My old 13"TB doesn't do these high fan speeds...
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close Intel Power Gadget, and then tell us about idle
 
True, however Apple may able employ a more aggressive fan curve with and raise the CPU 's PL-1 power limit a little to at least improve the performance a little.

Some of the results members and reviewers are posting are currently plain tragic...

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Is it only the i9 with problems? This story broke while Iw as asleep I'm trying to catch up. Wondering if the 13" core i7's have a problem
 
Maybe Apple finally understands this time their “making always thinner and lighter” habit is just useless and turns the machines into under-powered devices not Pro machines.
 
Apple needs to fix it ASAP in software if at all possible, before it becomes a laughing stock. New Zenbook Pro just got shredded in reviews for exactly the same reason.

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There's only one software fix solution to fix the over-heating, well two. The first one is to slow the CPU down so it doesn't generate the heat, and well that's already happening and people are pissed. The second option is alter the fan control logic to be much more aggressive and spin up to full blast sooner and run at max longer. I have no idea what the fans were doing during that video, and it's possible that the fans were not working as designed for Dave's video, but I highly doubt that. As the i9 gets into people's hands, we'll know soon enough if this is the exception or the norm. I suspect the latter. I also suspect as this news is breaking, people will be more sensitized to throttling and return the i9, so this should hurt apple in the wallet.
 
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So we wasted all the time discussing about MBP 2016 and then 2017 and then 2018. At the end, we have MBP that under perform, have heat, fan and possibly still keyboard issues?
 
I have an i9 and would like to contribute somehow to benchmarks but I’m not sure what info I need to record.

If anyone has an i7 2018 let’s run the same benchmarks and compare them.
 
I have an i9 and would like to contribute somehow to benchmarks but I’m not sure what info I need to record.

If anyone has an i7 2018 let’s run the same benchmarks and compare them.

Do you hear fan noise during normal productivity work and under heavy load?
[doublepost=1531920351][/doublepost]Am I correct that for comparison of heat/fan/thermal throttling, the effect of the RAM and SSD capacities are negligible?
 
Is it only the i9 with problems? This story broke while Iw as asleep I'm trying to catch up. Wondering if the 13" core i7's have a problem

Don't know about the 13" looks like all the hex cores have throttling issues, however too early to really call it.

Also the 13" seems to have problems....there is an article on notebookcheck.net

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-13-2018-Touch-Bar-i5-Laptop-Review.316648.0.html
 
So we wasted all the time discussing about MBP 2016 and then 2017 and then 2018.
i didn't waste any time, I learned a lot about various things, both apple/mac related and also pc/windows related.

In the end, its up to you to decide if the 2018 MBP is a good fit. I did this with the Razer, no matter how many reviews you watched or read, until you have it in your hands you cannot determine if the machine will fit your needs. I sent it back due to some issues, nothing major. I was hoping Apple would release a laptop sooner then later and my gamble paid off. I'm excitedly waiting the delivery this week. I'm not terribly concerned about this throttling but I will put the laptop through its paces.
 
Do you hear fan noise during normal productivity work and under heavy load?
[doublepost=1531920351][/doublepost]Am I correct that for comparison of heat/fan/thermal throttling, the effect of the RAM and SSD capacities are negligible?

The fans do turn on in moments like watching a video on YouTube and really spin up for renders in After Effects, but that seems to match my experience with my last MacBook Pro (a late 2013 15”)
 
There's only one software fix solution to fix the over-heating, well two. The first one is to slow the CPU down so it doesn't generate the heat, and well that's already happening and people are pissed. The second option is alter the fan control logic to be much more aggressive and spin up to full blast sooner and run at max longer. I have no idea what the fans were doing during that video, and it's possible that the fans were not working as designed for Dave's video, but I highly doubt that. As the i9 gets into people's hands, we'll know soon enough if this is the exception or the norm. I suspect the latter. I also suspect as this news is breaking, people will be more sensitized to throttling and return the i9, so this should hurt apple in the wallet.

As stated Apple may be able to raise the PL-1 limit, this will reduce tenancy to power throttle. Admitedly Apple may already be at that limit.

Thouse using Windows should look to ThrottleStop, if Apple hasn't overly locked down the CPU.

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i didn't waste any time, I learned a lot about various things, both apple/mac related and also pc/windows related.

In the end, its up to you to decide if the 2018 MBP is a good fit. I did this with the Razer, no matter how many reviews you watched or read, until you have it in your hands you cannot determine if the machine will fit your needs. I sent it back due to some issues, nothing major. I was hoping Apple would release a laptop sooner then later and my gamble paid off. I'm excitedly waiting the delivery this week. I'm not terribly concerned about this throttling but I will put the laptop through its paces.

Personally I'd be totally pissed off, as the very reason I'd be buying is for the additional performance.

Some of the members CB scores are barely better than my 7700HQ quad core notebook...

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close Intel Power Gadget, and then tell us about idle
In idle its completely silent. Fans run at around 1200rpm not audible.
Also the 13" seems to have problems....there is an article on notebookcheck.net

https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-MacBook-Pro-13-2018-Touch-Bar-i5-Laptop-Review.316648.0.html
I have seen this and tried to replicate this, but my same 13" base model keeps 3,6ghz way way longer then seen in there Intel Power Gadget.
 
The fans do turn on in moments like watching a video on YouTube and really spin up for renders in After Effects, but that seems to match my experience with my last MacBook Pro (a late 2013 15”)

When I had the 2017 13" for two weeks, it was dead silent when I watched YouTube videos even the 4K ones.
 
When I had the 2017 13" for two weeks, it was dead silent when I watched YouTube videos even the 4K ones.

I'll check it again tonight. I feel like fan noise is pretty anecdotal evidence though. We need numbers to understand the throttling not fan noise.
 
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I have an i9 and would like to contribute somehow to benchmarks but I’m not sure what info I need to record.

If anyone has an i7 2018 let’s run the same benchmarks and compare them.
There are a bunch of test you could do. Here are some:

CineBench - especially used for seeing CPU performance in rendering
I would recommend doing the following from idle:
1 run to get a base score, 5 consecutive to get a idea on how it performs when the CPU is warm
Another interesting test would be see the difference when using fan control software set to 100% (app 6000rpm and 5500rpm (left/right)) in the same scenario.

Then there is Geekbench, which also is a great test and much more used. The great thing here is that there is a big online archive with all test date from the free version, so comparing performance on multiple identical devices are possible.
Here the same runs can be done, but seems a little much unless you have a high difference in the CineBench test.

also Prime95 which should hit the CPU hard, but I have not tried that one myself yet, so I am not entirely sure on how it works and how to compare. I will do it later, but if some have more info it would be nice to hear.
Run Prime 95, Go to Option -> Torture Test, chose "Inplace Large FFT" with 8 threads to run and post screenshot of the Intel Power Gadget immediately after start and after 10 - 20 minutes of running
Thanks

For utilities you will need
Intel Power Gadget, this is an amazing tool to see power consumption, clock speed, temperature and utilisation of the CPU.
Some kind of fan control software, my favourite is smcFanControl, last updated in 2016 but I have not encountered any problems with it on a 2017 MBP, so my guess is that it will work fine on the 2018 model.
Noting ambient temperature will also be good as to give an idea on environmental impact.

If anyone have some resources on rendering test in FCPX or its likes that is free to use, we could have a more comparative test across machines as we are testing on identical work mass on different hardware, giving us an easy comparison.

EDIT, note, most fans control software can show current RPM and will allow system to go higher (if possible) then what you set it to if needed
EDIT 2, updated with @matt_k Prime95 suggestion from here https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...nce-throttling-testing.2128150/#post-26260011
 
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There are a bunch of test you could do. Here are some:

CineBench - especially used for seeing CPU performance in rendering
I would recommend doing the following from idle:
1 run to get a base score, 5 consecutive to get a idea on how it performs when the CPU is warm
Another interesting test would be see the difference when using fan control software set to 100% (app 6000rpm and 5500rpm (left/right)) in the same scenario.

Then there is Geekbench, which also is a great test and much more used. The great thing here is that there is a big online archive with all test date from the free version, so comparing performance on multiple identical devices are possible.
Here the same runs can be done, but seems a little much unless you have a high difference in the CineBench test.

also Prime95 which should hit the CPU hard, but I have not tried that one myself yet, so I am not entirely sure on how it works and how to compare. I will do it later, but if some have more info it would be nice to hear.

For utilities you will need
Intel Power Gadget, this is an amazing tool to see power consumption, clock speed, temperature and utilisation of the CPU.
Some kind of fan control software, my favourite is smcFanControl, last updated in 2016 but I have not encountered any problems with it on a 2017 MBP, so my guess is that it will work fine on the 2018 model.
Noting ambient temperature will also be good as to give an idea on environmental impact.

If anyone have some resources on rendering test in FCPX or its likes that is free to use, we could have a more comparative test across machines as we are testing on identical work mass on different hardware, giving us an easy comparison.

Yes. This is a great idea. I would also like to run some render time tests in After Effects, Premiere and FCP X and compare them with someone who has an i7 model.

I have an i9, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD if we want things to be consistent.
 
Yes. This is a great idea. I would also like to run some render time tests in After Effects, Premiere and FCP X and compare them with someone who has an i7 model.

I have an i9, 32GB RAM, 1TB SSD if we want things to be consistent.
The thing with the render time test in After Effects, Premiere and FCP X, is that they should all use the same rendering source (like render the same project) across devices to ensure a uniform test base. I do not know if there are ant where to download such thing, and if the programs themselves can be had in a test period.

I happily contribute with my 2017 15" machine too
 
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