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Truth be told I don't think it's going to be "neutered" much compared to the base iPhone 16, outside of having one less camera (with no camera control button) and the old school notch vs Dynamic Island (which some may actually prefer). But Apple doesn't update the SE often, so it'll only be truly competitive in 2025 while not being updated again until 2027-28.
 
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If it gets capabilities to run Apple Intelligence it’s a slap in the face to iPhone 15 users.

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An owner of an iPhone 15 for under 12 months
To be fair, it's looking increasingly like something that Apple can live with until September 2025. To be clear, I'm talking about the SE4 being a short term great spec phone vs the 15.

Truth be told I don't think it's going to be neutered compared to the base iPhone 16, outside of having one less camera and the notch vs Dynamic Island (which some may actually prefer). But Apple doesn't update the SE often, so it'll only be truly competitive in 2025 while not being updated again until 2027-28.
That's probably a given - Apple don't update their SE line every year. Once every 2-3 years sounds about right (the gap between SE2 and SE3 was 2 years) but then the SE1 was neglected for 4 years until the SE2 came along and we're about to hit 3 years for SE3 to SE4.

The SE4 is about to get a very popular refresh so obviously will be amazing value for money for a few months up against a more expensive 15 until iPhone 17 comes out. It'll probably still be a decent deal when iPhone 18 comes out (and 17 becomes middle of the range).
 
I don’t think Apple will neuter it because they will want to sell it for 4 years before upgrading it again. I’m pretty sure every SE has launched with the newest processor at the time. Notch, no promotion, less cameras, no action button or camera button, no always on display, etc will probably be the differences. Probably will up the price to 599 too
 
I personally think it will be „huge hit” as always apple is advertising it in first year:

therefore newest A18 processor, „first time
on SE” OLED screen (lets remember apple invented oled screens, samsung never thought about it, or any other companies, before apple), single outdated camera, thick bezels, very old faceid, 60 hz which is „not a problem” for today as 60 hz is „normal” for $800 for apple today, but it won’t be tommorow (we already have pretty „confirmed rumors” about screens being 120 hz in every iphone next year - 2025), 12 mpx camera taken from…iphone 13 which was taken from iphone 12… which is the camera as on „current” SE 😅 without even a single option to zoom like its possible in iPhone 15/16 with „2x” option, lets remember that this outdated design will stay for another 5 years as last SE did, and design is already taken from old phone.

The phone will gradually „neuter itself” in coming years without a single update for next 3-5 years, as every SE did in the past, but in the first year - 2025 it will be a great phone for the price point.

PS. There is also great way to neuter it, by slapping $500 or „$529” (i personally think „$529” or „$519” or „$479” sounds very catchy and great, especially for tim cook’s pocket)
 
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This is just delusional. Apple modem will be derived from their buyout of Intel's modem division.
They probably know how to manufacture a good modem, but Qualcomm owns a lot of crucial patents in the modem space, and that's the reason for which non-Qualcomm modems underperform.
We will never know what’s truly going on behind the scenes, but it’s hard to work magic when someone else owns patents. Apple would rather buy Qualcomm and they certainly can easily do it, but they know that will not happen, so they have to go another route.

Good news is that there early prototypes of their custom modem was working only problem was that it was overheating, reports were saying. They’ve poach hired all the Qualcomm engineers and purchased the Intel patents, so will see what happens.
 
If it was a problem, then Apple probably wouldn’t do it. A Qualcomm modem is in the iPhone 16 now. If it was an issue, they would just use a Qualcomm modem again.

Also… even if patents are a problem… Apple isn’t afraid to infringe on a few patents, lol. Just ask Masimo. Eventually Masimo won, but it took years for the dispute to conclude in the courts.

I have complaints about some of Apple’s decisions. Apple does questionable things somethings. But Apple isn’t going to intentionally put out a s****y phone that can’t function as a phone.
So your saying Apple will intentionally infringe on Qualcomm patents so they can go to court with Qualcomm who they already came to an agreement with just so they can probably lose the patent court case and to pay Qualcomm even more money? It just doesn’t make sense mathematically and those numbers do not work for Cook or Apple as a corporation. They would just be going in circles ⭕️
 
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I don’t think Apple will neuter it because they will want to sell it for 4 years before upgrading it again. I’m pretty sure every SE has launched with the newest processor at the time. Notch, no promotion, less cameras, no action button or camera button, no always on display, etc will probably be the differences. Probably will up the price to 599 too
The new iPhone SE 4 will be Apple’s budget gem 💎 phone for a Strong 4 years before they upgrade transition to SE 5. The SE 4 will have Apple Intelligence so this gem is gonna last for years.
 
So your saying Apple will intentionally infringe on Qualcomm patents so they can go to court with Qualcomm who they already came to an agreement with just so they can probably lose the patent court case and to pay Qualcomm even more money? It just doesn’t make sense mathematically and those numbers do not work for Cook or Apple as a corporation. They would just be going in circles ⭕️
That’s not what I’m saying at all, lol. Come on now. 😂

Merry Christmas to you.
 
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I think it’s quite simple.

- Lower binned A18 with 8GB
- No Dynamic Island.
- No FaceID but Touch ID on side button I guess.
- Single camera.
- Minor price adjustment.

Keep in mind Apple will have to drop iPhone 14 and SE due to USB-C restrictions at the EU.

So early 2025 lineup would be:
SE2025, 15, 16, 16 Pro.

As always the SE and the 15 will get people confused. Since the SE will have better CPU and Apple Intelligence but worse camera, no Face ID

Later, with iPhone 17 the SE will drop some price again as the 16.
 
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I think it’s quite simple.

- Lower binned A18 with 8GB
- No Dynamic Island.
- No FaceID but Touch ID on side button I guess.
- Single camera.
- Minor price adjustment.

Keep in mind Apple will have to drop iPhone 14 and SE due to USB-C restrictions at the EU.

So early 2025 lineup would be:
SE2025, 15, 16, 16 Pro.

As always the SE and the 15 will get people confused. Since the SE will have better CPU and Apple Intelligence but worse camera, no Face ID

Later, with iPhone 17 the SE will drop some price again as the 16.

This spec in a 13 Mini would be perfect.
 
The possibility of more dropped calls and internet streams is why i would wait until SE reviews are in before seriously considering it. I live in an area that drops off from suburban to rural very quickly and losing streams is not uncommon even with our current phones. That’s why I was a bit disappointed that the iPhone 16 family doesn’t feature Qualcomm’s X75 modem - not that the custom X71 modem is bad.

Do the 16 pros not have the X75 modem? I read they did.
 
I think it’s quite simple.

- Lower binned A18 with 8GB
- No Dynamic Island.
- No FaceID but Touch ID on side button I guess.
- Single camera.
- Minor price adjustment.

Keep in mind Apple will have to drop iPhone 14 and SE due to USB-C restrictions at the EU.

So early 2025 lineup would be:
SE2025, 15, 16, 16 Pro.

As always the SE and the 15 will get people confused. Since the SE will have better CPU and Apple Intelligence but worse camera, no Face ID

Later, with iPhone 17 the SE will drop some price again as the 16.
Why do you think it won't have faceid?
Haven't seen any rumors point to touchid.
That would be a definite no buy for me at least.
 
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I think it’s quite simple.

- Lower binned A18 with 8GB
- No Dynamic Island.
- No FaceID but Touch ID on side button I guess.
- Single camera.
- Minor price adjustment.

Keep in mind Apple will have to drop iPhone 14 and SE due to USB-C restrictions at the EU.

So early 2025 lineup would be:
SE2025, 15, 16, 16 Pro.

As always the SE and the 15 will get people confused. Since the SE will have better CPU and Apple Intelligence but worse camera, no Face ID

Later, with iPhone 17 the SE will drop some price again as the 16.

Why do you think it won't have faceid?
Haven't seen any rumors point to touchid.
That would be a definite no buy for me at least.

I like touchid, personally, and have missed it every since it was removed....but the new SE won't have touchid...other than the iPad, Apple is done with it. They are reusing iPhone 14 screens and sensors, which already has the faceid hardware.
 
Apple's approach to the SE lineup often involves a mix of strategic compromises and innovation to hit that lower price point. For the 2025 SE, they might limit certain features like high refresh rate displays or the latest camera tech. It's likely they'll repurpose a design from previous flagship models, as they've done in the past, like with the SE 2022 mirroring the iPhone 8's chassis.

That said, we could still see impressive internals, like a recent A-series chip for competitive performance. Apple tends to focus on giving the SE enough "wow factor" for its price tier while keeping flagship features exclusive to higher-tier models.

What do you think they’ll prioritize for trimming, or do you expect them to surprise us this time?

This is AI generated.
 
If it has Face ID, USB-C and is even remotely smaller than the 16, I'll be buying one to replace my ageing 13 mini!
 
If it's anything like the 13 mini I currently use and has the new apple intelligence I'll be happy. Performance wise my mini is still good. Never cared about cameras since I have a seperate one. I just hope it is smaller than the normal iPhone 15/16.
 
Tim Cook is a greedy MBA degree holding corporate scumbag who always finds a way to cut corners in order to give customers less while also raising prices. The 2022 iPhone SE was proof of that. It was exactly the same as the 2020 iPhone SE, with the exception of an A15 (instead of A13), 5G (instead of 4G), 4GB of RAM (instead of 3GB), and slightly different colors. It was a phone that went on sale in 2022 with almost all the same components as the iPhone 8 that went on sale five years earlier, in 2017.

So don't be surprised if the upcoming 2025 iPhone SE features components from a phone sold five years ago. Heck, the latest 2024 non-Pro iPhone 16 has the same USB 2.0 data transfer speed as the very first iPhone sold in 2007, which was 17 years ago! See the thread in the link below for more details on that:
 
Tim Cook is a greedy MBA degree holding corporate scumbag who always finds a way to cut corners in order to give customers less while also raising prices. The 2022 iPhone SE was proof of that. It was exactly the same as the 2020 iPhone SE, with the exception of an A15 (instead of A13), 5G (instead of 4G), 4GB of RAM (instead of 3GB), and slightly different colors. It was a phone that went on sale in 2022 with almost all the same components as the iPhone 8 that went on sale five years earlier, in 2017.

So don't be surprised if the upcoming 2025 iPhone SE features components from a phone sold five years ago. Heck, the latest 2024 non-Pro iPhone 16 has the same USB 2.0 data transfer speed as the very first iPhone sold in 2007, which was 17 years ago! See the thread in the link below for more details on that:

Sounds like the SE is not for you.
 
Weirdly I think it will actually be pretty good.

I expect it to have:

Action Button
Dynamic Island
A18 w/8GB RAM for AI

I think it will have those things because that is what an iPhone is these days. Apple Intelligence, Action button, Dynamic Island are all marketing points for them these days. (3/4 of the last phone models announced have these 3 things)

iPhone 14 design otherwise. (No curved corners on back)
128 GB Starting storage
USB C with USB 2.0 Speeds for sure.

Camera is the only real ? for me. Could be just the iPhone 14 or even 15 Camera setup. Or just a single 48 MP lens. Equal chance of it being any of those configs. No way to know what it will be.

I also predict it will be more expensive. USD $499 starting price.

Edit: Oh the neuter for sure is gonna be the fact that is has a 60Hz screen in 2025 at $499.
 
Why do you think it won't have faceid?
Haven't seen any rumors point to touchid.
That would be a definite no buy for me at least.

The iPad 10, iPad mini and iPad Air already uses that hardware component.
So Apple is doing this differentiation already.

The TouchID is still appreciated by many users, and if you're not a fan then you'll end up buying iPhone 16 or newer which is exactly the question raised from this topic... how will it be neutered :)
 
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