This commentary is more than just wrong, it is absurd. Saying "...greedy MBA degree holding corporate scumbag who always finds a way to cut corners" flies in the face of overwhelmingly excellent Apple products that sell at the top of their categories. Hardly "...always finds a way to cut corners."Tim Cook is a greedy MBA degree holding corporate scumbag who always finds a way to cut corners in order to give customers less while also raising prices. The 2022 iPhone SE was proof of that. It was exactly the same as the 2020 iPhone SE, with the exception of an A15 (instead of A13), 5G (instead of 4G), 4GB of RAM (instead of 3GB), and slightly different colors. It was a phone that went on sale in 2022 with almost all the same components as the iPhone 8 that went on sale five years earlier, in 2017.
So don't be surprised if the upcoming 2025 iPhone SE features components from a phone sold five years ago. Heck, the latest 2024 non-Pro iPhone 16 has the same USB 2.0 data transfer speed as the very first iPhone sold in 2007, which was 17 years ago! See the thread in the link below for more details on that:
Will iPhone 14 be USB 2.0? Probably, since Cook is mediocre.
Apple computers have had USB 3.0 since mid-2012. That is 10 years ago. Despite that, Tim Cook, being the mediocre beancounter MBA suit that he is, has still not done anything to upgrade the connectivity on the latest iPhones. The latest iPhones use the same USB 2.0 connectivity that shipped with...forums.macrumors.com
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if the SE4 is introduced in March 2025 then the 14 would only have about 16 months to cost along until it would have been phased out anyway. Apple will probably keep selling it and decent chance at some enhanced discounts.
They have already stopped selling the 14 in some locations 'prematurely'.
Apple Stops Selling iPhone 14 and iPhone SE in More EU Countries
Starting today, the iPhone 14, iPhone 14 Plus, and third-generation iPhone SE have been fully removed from Apple's online store in most EU...
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That somewhat means it is more likely that they will want to squeeze out incrementally more sales to meet lifetime volume objectives. There are 'value' celluar service markets that Apple can push the 14 into if they attach appropriate discounts to it. The SE4 likely isn't going to a be a 'value' propopisition initially either. Since, the 14 got banned in the EU , Apple is likely to slot the SE4 at a price point in that market to pick up the slack of the 14 disappearing early. (e.g., $499 + foreign currency exchange conversion). But that has side-effect of sagging sales of SE in the USA market because the price went substantially up.
The SE4 only gets discount sales promotions to increase sales until after the 14 sails off into the sunset closer to 'normal' phase out time. [ 14 may not make it to September 2025 until supply drys up, but it is doubtful Apple is going to rush to phase it out early with the SE4 intro. ]
[ Similar to reason why there is no hyper urgency to fill the hole in the EU with an SE4 immediately now rather than later into Spring 2025 timeframe. ]
[ Also will not be very surprising if iPad 11 arrives with a more costly SoC that pushes a higher price point. That is coupled to the iPad 10 sticking around in the line up just like the iPad 9 did when the 10 showed up. ]
Probably not. 'Apple intelligence' has gotten lots of hype, but it has not proven to bve a huge surge in sales ( year over year). iOS18 works on far more phones that don't have 8GB of RAM than do have it.
What to Expect From iOS 19: All the Rumors So Far
iOS 19 is not expected to be announced until June 2025, but information about the software update is already starting to surface. Below, we recap...
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The XR//XS would be about due in 2026. That isn't really an increased pace.
The stragety of prematurely dropping phones to 'make' folks upgrade at a faster pace is likely going to cause more problems than it supposedly cures. if the Ai features get customers to choose to upgrade faster that is a different thing. ( such a massive upgrade and pushing old phones into recycling that there are far fewer out there in use coulf increase the roll off pace. ) . Not likely to happen though. ( lots of 'hand me down' phones to other family/friends. viable used phone market . etc. )
This is a very relevant point, probably representing quite a large chunk of iPhones every year. Most years I get a new iPhone and almost all of my one-year-old iPhone Pros have been handed down to friends and family members. Other posters here have reported similar behavior.
But… I like driving a car that I can’t afford to impress people I don’t even like. I deserve it! I mean, I don’t ACTUALLY deserve it because I had to hold my hand out to a bank and ask for a loan, but still! Used cars spontaneously combust and are not reliable. So it makes sense to take out a loan for a car that costs half or more of my annual income. My favorite part is how it loses 60% of its value in just a few years, even before I’ve paid off my loan. That probably had interest. 😉SE will continue its position as the basic sedan for those who need an affordable iPhone in new condition that will receive years of iOS updates. And yes, like a group of neighbors discussing another neighbor's tire choice while he washes his car across the street, there will be many opportunities for "I would never" threads.
You are correct that it costs more to routinely be using new latest-tech things than to routinely be using older-tech things. Very astute. /s
Personally I have used both old stuff and new stuff in my life, and I much prefer using the new stuff when feasible.
my thoughts exackery.
it's a pity that Apple are only thinking big screens these days.
friends and enemies alike make comments about the size and clarity of my 12mini.
could easily load up a mini case with A18 and same 5.4" all-screen OLED display at 1200 nits brightness, call it SE4.
if they price it right it'd sell like hot cross buns at easter.
one for those of us who don't have $1k plus to spend on a phone.
it'd be huuuge in so-called 3rd world countries
I wouldn't be too sure that the Mini is gone forever. My prediction is that the SE4 will replace the iPhone 14 in the line up at $599. Apple will then monitor the unit sales at this higher price point. If it sells well, they will keep the lineup as it is. If sales fall off, I think they will intrduce an SE Mini in 2026 at the $499 price point.
I think you've missed what the SE is - a way to reuse old iPhone parts / production lines with the latest chips.
Apple wasn't able to sell iPhone 12 or 13 mini when even price was dropped to $599.
They're not going to aim for a third "L" by trying again at $499.
Yes, this is how every iPhone SE has worked, since the first one. Gets the current gen chip but keeps it 2-3 years. So looks like an amazing deal at first but less so as time goes on. The fact that AI needs A18 is even more reason to believe the pattern will continue.
It would be nice if they’ll bring back a Mini version, but I'd be surprised if that ever happens.
- Love, a country who is now more than one trillion dollars in consumer credit debt (but never the ones you talk to, they pay their card off every month and get wealthy on airline miles, lol).
Yeah, the CPU will eat all the battery for example... The SE model is a phone for a v e r y casual user, who doesn't use the phone too much.
I’m not sure about that. If the new SE is using the 14 chassis, the battery-CPU combo should work about the same.
It should run longer than the 14 with the same battery, as the A18 is much more efficient than the A15.