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HP Branded iPod and Music Store
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Originally posted by jettredmont
Crap. I knew someone would beat me to it if I typed too long
Oddly, my iPod has been called hPod for a for 2 years - but that's because my name begins with an 'H'.
Incidentally, this hPod may just be identical, but blue/grey. Or... it may just use some of the technology.
Originally posted by srobert
Go baby! Yeah! Go!
Damnit, where's my investing money when I need it!!
I think I am high I am so excited with this news!
HP as a stalking horse in flash memory players
Maybe Apple doesn't want to produce a flash memory based player because it will hurt their quality image. Maybe HP will be the ones to put out this type of player. Apple gets licensing fees, more people are linked up to iTunes, but Apple can stand by its marketing strategy of not putting out bottom end stuff and still get market share from the lower end. Apple won't have to make a US$100 player - HP will do it for them.
Maybe Apple doesn't want to produce a flash memory based player because it will hurt their quality image. Maybe HP will be the ones to put out this type of player. Apple gets licensing fees, more people are linked up to iTunes, but Apple can stand by its marketing strategy of not putting out bottom end stuff and still get market share from the lower end. Apple won't have to make a US$100 player - HP will do it for them.
Maybe now when we Mac users berate the insolent we'll say "Go buy an HP" instead of "Go buy a Dell"...
And finally every HP and Compac computer will come with Quicktime installed..... ( via itunes for WIN)
The firmware could be different and it could allow PeeCee only use. They could be set for USB only as well as the iPod file system. Apple could make them a Windows only device and keep the current iPod both. Another possibility would be that HP would need to do their own GUI for the iTunes client and ITMS as well as provide their own bandwidth. The firmware for the iPod could also be their responsibility. It's not all that uncommon for a company to sell a product for someone else to sell and leave some of the work to them. Adaptec sells SCSI chipsets, but some of the firmware is up to the OEM to do. Adaptec gives them a reference to use if they want, but if Adaptec releases an update for their cards, it will not install on the OEM chipsets, that must come from the OEM.
This is so great
Strategic partnerships like this will help Apple continue to stay at the top of the heap. Apple will likely keep the iPod priced at or close to full retail, while letting future "rebranders" such as HP the ability to offer deep discounts and get the segment of the market that is all about price.
I wonder if other deals are in the works? Clearly not Sony, but perhaps Gateway.
Very good news from my point of view.
Strategic partnerships like this will help Apple continue to stay at the top of the heap. Apple will likely keep the iPod priced at or close to full retail, while letting future "rebranders" such as HP the ability to offer deep discounts and get the segment of the market that is all about price.
I wonder if other deals are in the works? Clearly not Sony, but perhaps Gateway.
Very good news from my point of view.
Re: HP as a stalking horse in flash memory players
What the heck does capacity have to do with quality? Heck in fact flash could be considered higher quality at least in terms of ruggedness and durability. CF is one tough SOB. I washed a 128MB CF card and to date it still works. Had to let it dry out for 3 days but it works.
What the heck does capacity have to do with quality? Heck in fact flash could be considered higher quality at least in terms of ruggedness and durability. CF is one tough SOB. I washed a 128MB CF card and to date it still works. Had to let it dry out for 3 days but it works.
Press release info
Anybody else read the press release...http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jan/08hp.html
"According to internal HP research, more than 54 percent of current HP consumers download music to their PCs."
Last quarter HP shipped 38.4 million PC's (according to their website) which means roughly 20 Million folks a quarter download music to their HP PC's...damn it I was going to buy some Apple stock yesterday, damn...
These could make the numbers SJ annouced yesterday for ITMS sales look miniscule compared to what gets announced at Macworld '04
I wonder if this mean the ITMS will be going worldwide soon for our poor European and Canadian friends????
Cheers,
Hughdoog
Anybody else read the press release...http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jan/08hp.html
"According to internal HP research, more than 54 percent of current HP consumers download music to their PCs."
Last quarter HP shipped 38.4 million PC's (according to their website) which means roughly 20 Million folks a quarter download music to their HP PC's...damn it I was going to buy some Apple stock yesterday, damn...
These could make the numbers SJ annouced yesterday for ITMS sales look miniscule compared to what gets announced at Macworld '04
I wonder if this mean the ITMS will be going worldwide soon for our poor European and Canadian friends????
Cheers,
Hughdoog
Re: The iPod has become a "reference design"
LOL too funny. I totally can see this coming to fruition in the very new future.
What has me baffled a little is that HP isn't building their own digital music player... they certainly have the brain trust for it, what with the iPaq PocketPC's and whatnot - those are great little devices...
Oh well - I'm really curious to see how this plays out!
LOL too funny. I totally can see this coming to fruition in the very new future.
What has me baffled a little is that HP isn't building their own digital music player... they certainly have the brain trust for it, what with the iPaq PocketPC's and whatnot - those are great little devices...
Oh well - I'm really curious to see how this plays out!
SJ put up during his keynote that pie graph regarding the 3 major market components, iPod, expensive flash players, and inexpensive flash players. I felt he was setting up for commenting on all three, but ignored the 3rd big piece of pie.
I can well imagine that the rumored 2 gig iPod, or something similar, will be HP branded. Most of HPs computers appeal to those who do not want to spend a lot of money (there are a lot of cheap computers from HP). So why not have HP go after the smaller pocket books, keep Apple the primium brand.
So all of the disappointment after the keynote may have been bc of omiossions in the keynote, and the price of the iPod mini isn't that big of a disaster afterall.
just my 3 cents worth....
I can well imagine that the rumored 2 gig iPod, or something similar, will be HP branded. Most of HPs computers appeal to those who do not want to spend a lot of money (there are a lot of cheap computers from HP). So why not have HP go after the smaller pocket books, keep Apple the primium brand.
So all of the disappointment after the keynote may have been bc of omiossions in the keynote, and the price of the iPod mini isn't that big of a disaster afterall.
just my 3 cents worth....
Your first statement makes no sense because iPods are already cross-platform. You haven't needed a Mac to "properly" use an iPod for a while now.
Lethal
iTMS in front of even more eyeballs
I'm less excited about an HP iPod than I am pre-installing iTMS on HP PCs. open up the iTMS and at the top are ad banners highlighting new music and the like. That ad space could just as easily highlight new products from Apple. PC people would see it everyday. There comes a point where you just have to click it and get whisked away to store.apple.com. You've got this really impressive product from Apple, the iPod and iTunes. Now, maybe you might look into a powerbook for your kid before he heads off to school. Or an iMac for the little one. We'll just crank up the reality distortion field and channel it through iTMS.
And, I think that HP will make a point of mentioning that their HPiPod is built on or with or made by or what have you, Apple.
"the HP personal media player, built on the award winning strengths of the Apple iPod, now from your favorite PC maker" or whatever.
"buy an HP xjqr7 (or whatever they call them) today and get an iPaq PDA and Apple designed HP iPod for 10% off."
"iTunes inside."
I'm less excited about an HP iPod than I am pre-installing iTMS on HP PCs. open up the iTMS and at the top are ad banners highlighting new music and the like. That ad space could just as easily highlight new products from Apple. PC people would see it everyday. There comes a point where you just have to click it and get whisked away to store.apple.com. You've got this really impressive product from Apple, the iPod and iTunes. Now, maybe you might look into a powerbook for your kid before he heads off to school. Or an iMac for the little one. We'll just crank up the reality distortion field and channel it through iTMS.
And, I think that HP will make a point of mentioning that their HPiPod is built on or with or made by or what have you, Apple.
"the HP personal media player, built on the award winning strengths of the Apple iPod, now from your favorite PC maker" or whatever.
"buy an HP xjqr7 (or whatever they call them) today and get an iPaq PDA and Apple designed HP iPod for 10% off."
"iTunes inside."
It was an attempt at irony... because Phill Parcells coached the Cowboy's arch rivals, the New York Giants (NYC is my home town) to the superbowl. Now he plays for the "bad" guys...
Re: See ya Dell!
I don't think HP will get any money when something is bought on the iTMS. Apple is not exactly making money, except on the iPod. How Apple could set it up is that HP would pay Apple a small fee for every song that is downloaded (to pay for the backend) and HP is responsible for the front-end and bandwidth. Apple is not going to want to pay the bandwidth costs for HP, the servers and pay them as well. HP collects the money from the user so they can charge what they want.
I don't think HP will get any money when something is bought on the iTMS. Apple is not exactly making money, except on the iPod. How Apple could set it up is that HP would pay Apple a small fee for every song that is downloaded (to pay for the backend) and HP is responsible for the front-end and bandwidth. Apple is not going to want to pay the bandwidth costs for HP, the servers and pay them as well. HP collects the money from the user so they can charge what they want.
I think the speculation about different or cheaper hPods are off base. It seems much more likely to me that Apple will allow HP to sell an iPod or mini iPod unmodified except for a logo change presumably. That means prices will NOT be lower.
Apple consistently overprices their products, hoping (sometimes correctly, sometimes not) that there is a consumer base willing to pay the price. Correct for the regular iPod, wrong for the cube. I'm afraid as time goes on the iPod and mini will look more and more expensive compared to the competition.
Apple consistently overprices their products, hoping (sometimes correctly, sometimes not) that there is a consumer base willing to pay the price. Correct for the regular iPod, wrong for the cube. I'm afraid as time goes on the iPod and mini will look more and more expensive compared to the competition.
Steve's Keynote
Originally posted by vitrector
SJ put up during his keynote that pie graph regarding the 3 major market components, iPod, expensive flash players, and inexpensive flash players. I felt he was setting up for commenting on all three, but ignored the 3rd big piece of pie.
*SNIP*
So all of the disappointment after the keynote may have been bc of omiossions in the keynote, and the price of the iPod mini isn't that big of a disaster afterall.
I'm really not sure why people are dissapointed with the Keynote. Remember what Steve started out the keynote by saying? it was somthing to the effect of:
"20th anniversary of the Mac..blah blah blah... This will be a BIG year for Apple, with many new things coming...".
I right away I took this to mean that the keynote wasn't going to hold all that much, at least not compared to what would be coming before the end of 2004. Apple may have been setting it's self up to annouce all kinds of new stuff all spread throughout the year, that way everything get's it's spotlight, and nothing get's drowned out by something a little bit "cooler". and of course this "20th year" will stay big throughout every month. Maybe even ending with a Bank come Nov/Dec (duel 4ghz G5s anybody?
I still think this the tip of the Iceberg...
Tyler
Earendil
Originally posted by vitrector
SJ put up during his keynote that pie graph regarding the 3 major market components, iPod, expensive flash players, and inexpensive flash players. I felt he was setting up for commenting on all three, but ignored the 3rd big piece of pie.
*SNIP*
So all of the disappointment after the keynote may have been bc of omiossions in the keynote, and the price of the iPod mini isn't that big of a disaster afterall.
I'm really not sure why people are dissapointed with the Keynote. Remember what Steve started out the keynote by saying? it was somthing to the effect of:
"20th anniversary of the Mac..blah blah blah... This will be a BIG year for Apple, with many new things coming...".
I right away I took this to mean that the keynote wasn't going to hold all that much, at least not compared to what would be coming before the end of 2004. Apple may have been setting it's self up to annouce all kinds of new stuff all spread throughout the year, that way everything get's it's spotlight, and nothing get's drowned out by something a little bit "cooler". and of course this "20th year" will stay big throughout every month. Maybe even ending with a Bank come Nov/Dec (duel 4ghz G5s anybody?
I still think this the tip of the Iceberg...
Tyler
Earendil