Copies keep apple moving forward. Looking at their stock price over the last year, it is clearly not hurting them.
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Copies keep apple moving forward. Looking at their stock price over the last year, it is clearly not hurting them.
Even foxconn are jumping onto the tablet bandwagon....
iWonder if this will piss anyone off at Apple?
LOL! I doubt anyone at Apple is losing sleep over the iWonder.
I don't think he was implying that. He was implying that Foxconn makes most of Apple's components.
Strong 40 year old "u mad?" on the internet fight in the first three pages of this topic. I lol'd.
Anyway, maybe I'll get a real tablet PC and not a box of tampons made by Apple.
Anyway, maybe I'll get a real tablet PC and not a box of tampons made by Apple.
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Winnar!
Mattie Num Nums said:
Winnar!
Exactly.
If it weren't for competition, Macbook users still wouldn't have a freakin' SD card slot on their machines, because SJ deemed it "unnecessary."
Get a grip. Ford was 100% correct in his assertion that customers had no idea what a cheap affordable car actually would mean, since it was a whole new product category. Whatsisface picked a funky memorable quote that illustrated his point.
Ford was also 100% correct in his stance that people cared about price and colour was irrelevant - you messed up and picked the wrong quote.
You would have been far better off trying to do something with the way Ford refused to offer anything other than the T, or improve it in any way, because it was all the car anyone would ever need - with the result that Fords' market share fell from almost half the market to less than a third.
Listening to what the customer wants is ALWAYS a good idea, but I think you're wrong in assuming that it's always wrong to ignore certain things they ask for in order to deliver something else that's more important. What gets everyone in a real twist about the new slate/tablet designs is that there is absolutely no consensus on what is a critical product feature and what is a nice-to-have but relatively unimportant.
Gates bet on keyboard+stylus+FullFatWin and got nowhere, Jobs is betting big on touch+OSXLite - lets wait a year or two and we'll see if he can keep his lucky streak going
The history of the early workings of the Ford motor company are not subject to "interpretation." Ford sold colors, then they did not, then they did. Likewise, no roofs/no doors, doors but no roofs, then roofs and doors. All the time consistently outselling all other car manufactures in the country. This is exactly what happened, and you can not claim the "as you know it" part.
Here is a helpful hint: Most history is not relative nor subject to much interpretation. Postmodernism is a blight upon us all.
Apple is making a business decision to which the market can and will react. Not including flash has not hurt them in the past so why would one assume that it would in the future. The choice not to include flash has consequences just as the choice to include it does. If you or anyone else doesnt like it, they can buy this HP slate thingy. I would love a front facing camera, but whether it ships with one or not, I will have an ipad before June. Pro's outweigh the cons...for me.
HobeSoundDarryl
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I didn't say it is always wrong to ignore certain things they ask for. It makes perfect sense to ignore certain things; else every product would have to be an everything box- all things to all people.
The example "thing" I've referenced is Flash, which seems to be a pretty big thing to arbitrarily choose to leave out, a common functionality feature that matters to a lot of people. That arbitrary decision will adversely affect the experience for buyers of this device. Choosing to leave it out will not force the Internet to adapt HTML5 + H.264 + javascript overnight... or even during the lifetime this iPad functions. Thus, all these buyers will come across stops in browsing where a part of a website, or application, or whole site will not work. It's not all just video either, as Flash has lots of features that is not easily replaced by changing the format of steaming video. It's not all junk. It's not all buggy. Etc.
While I don't think there could be consensus about almost ANY feature missing from the iPad, I think if the crowd could be surveyed for what they would most like to see that is not there, I bet Flash would rank quite highly in that list. Unlike Ford's model-T doors, or roofs or paint color variety, it doesn't cost Apple anything to include Flash, nor does it add to the retail price of the iPad. Apple is just choosing for buyers not to include something because they want to do so (no cost pressures, no margin squeeze, just an arbitrary decision they've made that should net:net adversely affect their customers). IMO, that's more of a lose than a win for both Apple and its customers.
My comment still stands.
Will they lose sleep over this:
Thieving *****.
This is what the Chinese do when they try to create their own electronics products. Again, I doubt Apple is in a panic over this. They certainly won't be selling this thing anywhere outside of China, and the Chinese government doesn't enforce copyright anyway, so...
That said, I'm sure there will be some ugly phone calls between Apple mgmt. and Foxconn mgmt.
And what's up with the font they used for the product name on the bezel?
True that!
I actually got a warning letter today regarding one of my posts directed at one of the trolls in this thread who is *obviously* here to spread their anti-Apple sentiment. "kinda funny actually but I hope MR pursues sending out warning letters to them with as much fervor as they do to regulars like me.
This is a public forum so let 'em bring up. That said, I should have every right to verbally kick their arse and maybe even embarrass them just a little. It's 'kinda like this. When my daughter was in High School, she cold-cocked this girl, who had been taunting her for about 4 months. When I went into the principals office to discuss the matter, I told him I was sort of ambivalent about it because she had told them the girl had been taunting her and they did nothing about it. Point being; if you're 'gonna bring it, be prepared for the consequences.
Back to the main point...
I think it's great that HP and others are following suit with touch-based pads. I'm just not that excited about them. Not because I have Apple colored glasses. I'm not excited because a desktop OS put on a touch based device doesn't get my geek juices flowing. Android OS on a touch based pad works but IMO Android OS is not nearly as polished as iPhone OS and there are not nearly as many apps.
Also, understand that some of the most basic desktop computing tasks like organizing files is still completely Greek to a large part of the population. The beauty of iPhone OS is it is so very intuitive that someone can pick it up and start using it immediately. That is important for a device such as this.
Carry on, soldiers.
Dude - I saw Star Wars and was impressed. I'm still waiting for those working lightsabers to hit the retail shelves.
Maybe not from the bottom up , but Windows 7 use a touch screen. And you can download iTunes for Windows anyways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc9GXcYbUHY
And really, that's what a lot of this is. A lucky streak. Jobs is sharp and a visionary, etc. But at the end of the day, this is motly luck. Microsoft could have come up with and had the resources to market something just as good as itunes/ipod/iphone. Well maybe not microsoft, but someone....
Err - that's totally and utterly wrong. Not only are Apple not the first people to produce a tablet computer, they're not even the first to produce a Mac tablet computer.
I have to admit that really dont care, but I do need a way to get my posts up to 500 so I can get an avatar around here. Anyhow, the lack of flash did not seem to matter for the 75+ million iphones/ipod touches sold over the past few years. Maybe everybody should eliminate flash. Maybe that's the common denominator. Maybe I should pick my stocks based on the companies stance on flash support.
Yeah, the trolls run unfettered while those who clash with them are reprimanded.
Actually, that may not be a fair statement. The most obvious trolls end up on my Ignore list, and many of them are no longer posting at all. So either they finally got bored and went back to Xbox Live, or the mods booted them.
Hopefully the latter.
And what's up with the font they used for the product name on the bezel?
I know, it's very Fisher-Price....
HobeSoundDarryl
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I might suggest that 75+ million iPhone/iPod Touch buyers bought those devices in spite of a (lack of) Flash weakness. For example, perhaps the iPhone buyers were attracted to- say- the phone functionality?
A ton of people buy products that turn out to be bad for them, even killing some of them, so slinging numbers of buyers around to support the idea that the market has spoken about one individual feature is not exactly making the point.
There weren't (was it) 7 million attempts to do something via Flash on iPhones/Touches in the month of December- all of which FAILED by Apple's arbitrary choice- because these people are uninterested in Flash functionality. They just have a device that CAN'T meet that want, only because Apple chooses to not allow that want to be met.
My argument on this particular thing is wouldn't it be better to let us buyers of Apple devices decide if we want to burn our batteries a little faster by installing and using the Flash player, rather than Apple making such decisions for us? And what keeps coming back is arguments against Flash itself, or how analogies that paint Apple in a negative light make no sense, but similar analogies that paint them in positive light make perfect sense, and so on.
Are we happy to hand such decisions to Apple? For example, if tomorrow Apple decided that only iTunes PURCHASED content could play on all iTunes devices (phone, iPods, iPad), would some of you be arguing how great it is that we'll know that each file is properly formatted, ripped at a high quality, and so on?
Unlike the iPhone (which has the draw of a great phone plus many other features), this iPad is supposed to deliver the "ultimate internet experience" and is mostly about consuming downloaded content. Minus Flash- which won't be replaced even in many years by HTML5 + H.264 + Javascript, it can't possibly fulfill the "ultimate" in that description. Sure, it appears that it will be a very nice device. But there is an awful lot of websites and applications that use Flash in some way (and not just as video, and not just for ads). All that is not going to work for buyers of this device.
I love Apple, and I'd love to be a buyer of this iPad. But let's face it- it is lacking some fundamentally-popular features that will be even more in-your-face obvious to buyers who are NOT buying it to be their new cell phone+. I really want to buy this kind of device myself... but await version 2+ because this version lacks just a few "mainstream" features that should be there in version 1.
In this particular (flash) example, I hope these other guys like HP roll out some "wow" competitors that makes Apple feel some pressure to back off of this arbitrary stance. A world in which Apple dominates the space is one in which they could make 20 similarly limiting decisions for their customers. Woo hoo! It appears there are some here who could hardly wait... and then devise some way to support those decisions even at the expense of their own overall experience.
The Real Story...
I love the way everyone dwells on the technical details. While the iPad may not have all the hardware parts that some want now, it will eventually, and as long as enough people find what is in the first release OK, Apple will make their numbers. While HP and others are pushing their hardware guys to try to come up with something similar, Steve Jobs has moved past the hardware phase and is in New York signing deals with the publishing industry to get content. Locking these guys in is the bigger picture and I have to believe that the primary purpose of the iPad launch was a crowbar to get the publishers to negotiate. The first wave of customers Apple is targeting is not those whose who can spot another chunk of hardware that is better but those that know they will look cool sitting on a couch at Starbucks reading the NYTimes. I feel sorry for HP and others who will have to make their profit on the hardware alone while Apple will be generating a steady revenue stream from their iTunes/iApps/iBooks/iMagazine store (or whatever they choose to call it).
I love the way everyone dwells on the technical details. While the iPad may not have all the hardware parts that some want now, it will eventually, and as long as enough people find what is in the first release OK, Apple will make their numbers. While HP and others are pushing their hardware guys to try to come up with something similar, Steve Jobs has moved past the hardware phase and is in New York signing deals with the publishing industry to get content. Locking these guys in is the bigger picture and I have to believe that the primary purpose of the iPad launch was a crowbar to get the publishers to negotiate. The first wave of customers Apple is targeting is not those whose who can spot another chunk of hardware that is better but those that know they will look cool sitting on a couch at Starbucks reading the NYTimes. I feel sorry for HP and others who will have to make their profit on the hardware alone while Apple will be generating a steady revenue stream from their iTunes/iApps/iBooks/iMagazine store (or whatever they choose to call it).