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HP Looking to Undercut iPad Pricing With 3G-Capable Slate Device
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Fair competition is good. Brings out the best out of people, and brings us better technology at a better price.
I hope HP got some people scrapping these forums for what people don't like about the ipad as well as why people do like it. It's an opportunity to better compete.
I'm on the fence in regards to ipad, and holding up my hard earn cash to see what's out there. It would just be sad there's no true competition ipad. Come on MS, get your booklet tablet out!
Without any real competition in this market and field, how's Apple going to keep innovating and giving us the next killer product?
Now this is a completely personal opinion, but even though I think the ipad is pretty mediocre, it's just sad that though it's mediocre, it's still the best tablet offering out there. To me it just seems the competition just isn't being that competitive.
I hope HP gives offers something good to the table so we can start seeing great products coming out from everyone... especially in this arena.
If the ipad is still the best product in this class out there (even after HP releases their Slate)... or even by just a little; Apple's the one who'll get my cash.
Until then I'll wait and see.
I hope HP got some people scrapping these forums for what people don't like about the ipad as well as why people do like it. It's an opportunity to better compete.
I'm on the fence in regards to ipad, and holding up my hard earn cash to see what's out there. It would just be sad there's no true competition ipad. Come on MS, get your booklet tablet out!
Without any real competition in this market and field, how's Apple going to keep innovating and giving us the next killer product?
Now this is a completely personal opinion, but even though I think the ipad is pretty mediocre, it's just sad that though it's mediocre, it's still the best tablet offering out there. To me it just seems the competition just isn't being that competitive.
I hope HP gives offers something good to the table so we can start seeing great products coming out from everyone... especially in this arena.
If the ipad is still the best product in this class out there (even after HP releases their Slate)... or even by just a little; Apple's the one who'll get my cash.
Until then I'll wait and see.
Please, get over yourself. It's legitimate humour. Your response is more offensive than his (silly) joke, why do we need to suffer through your narrow, judgemental attitude?
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I don't think any hardware has been seen yet but: http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/07/hp-slate-android/
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I don't think any hardware has been seen yet but: http://techcrunch.com/2010/01/07/hp-slate-android/
It seems as if Apple has started the tablet category single handedly.
Even if the iPad isn't a success, its opened the doors for other companies to cash in on the Apple 'trickle down effect'.
Because let's face it.... if Apple isn't rumored to be releasing a tablet, most of these companies don't jump in the game. They know whether the iPad fails or succeeds, it will be getting tons of attention.
And.... even if some of these companies did release tablets before, nobody cared about them. So they're still affected by Apple's entry into the market.
Even if the iPad isn't a success, its opened the doors for other companies to cash in on the Apple 'trickle down effect'.
Because let's face it.... if Apple isn't rumored to be releasing a tablet, most of these companies don't jump in the game. They know whether the iPad fails or succeeds, it will be getting tons of attention.
And.... even if some of these companies did release tablets before, nobody cared about them. So they're still affected by Apple's entry into the market.
No, the hardware is very much finalized for at least the first batch. You can't just go modifying the hardware like that. I wouldn't be surprised if they modify the price though (not expecting/demanding a lower price).
I don't think they showed us all the software either. I think Mobile OS X 4.0 is going to have some neat stuff (although the iPad will launch with 3.2).
History repeats itself
We're going to see exactly the same thing as happened with the iPhone. Everyone and his mother rushes out me-too products with roughly the same physical form, assuming that the rubes won't know the difference. And the difference is the software, of course, which will be apparent to anyone who actually uses the devices for more than five minutes.
I'm sure there will be plenty of worthy competitors to the iPad, perhaps even from HP, but none will be Windows-based.
We're going to see exactly the same thing as happened with the iPhone. Everyone and his mother rushes out me-too products with roughly the same physical form, assuming that the rubes won't know the difference. And the difference is the software, of course, which will be apparent to anyone who actually uses the devices for more than five minutes.
I'm sure there will be plenty of worthy competitors to the iPad, perhaps even from HP, but none will be Windows-based.
The real mystery is, why would a PC maker want to cut its own throat on hardware pricing when there is no future revenue stream from the device? Unless HP has an app store or a deal with publishers to sell eBooks that we're all unaware of (not). Apple could sell its hardware at zero profit or a loss and make it up with app and book sales. HP does not have this luxury.
So HP slashes its margin to the bone just so Microsoft can score $30/unit on a Windows sale? How long are the HPs and Dells of the world going to let themselves be driven like dumb beasts of burden by Microsoft?
Or does someone smell Microsoft hardware subsidization in an attempt to avoid getting stomped out of another mobile market by Apple?
Not smart
That sounds so arrogant that it can only come from a social climber... You remember what 'pleb' is, right?
That sounds so arrogant that it can only come from a social climber... You remember what 'pleb' is, right?
This is why I find Windows Phone 7 Series so funny. The hardware manufactures have to pay for the right to give Microsoft a revenue stream from microtransactions (app store and such). I have no idea why anyone is sticking with Microsoft in the mobile space when Android is a perfectly useable alternative for OEMs (unlike Linux in the desktop space).
I'm not much of a fan of the tablet form factor... PC, Mac, flash, multi-tasking, whatever. When I'm lounging around with my MBP like now, I grasp the side of my screen and laugh at how inefficient I become.
Seems all around like a "building it because we can" product.
Seems all around like a "building it because we can" product.
I finally got around to watching the demonstration of the HP product
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J05Q-Hyr1v8
There isn't much to go from, but hey, it might work well. Now we'll have to see how the final products look and work for a good comparison.
Apple makes its money on the hardware. So far, iTunes isn't a big moneymaker, it is a loss leader, except without losing money.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J05Q-Hyr1v8
There isn't much to go from, but hey, it might work well. Now we'll have to see how the final products look and work for a good comparison.
Apple makes its money on the hardware. So far, iTunes isn't a big moneymaker, it is a loss leader, except without losing money.
Couldn't say it better. Completely agree.
My personal opinion; these tablet devices will fall into a very very small niche of people's laps. NetBooks completely overpower these things (especially the iPad) in all areas of use.
Watching Google battle Microsoft for the handset jambalaya segment of the market will be entertaining indeed.
What are you willing to bet Microsoft will also give Windows Phone 7 Series (*snicker*) to hardware manufacturers for free too? You know, just long enough to get Google out of the way.
Fear of the Ballmer Truffle Shuffle?
HA! You take the cake in nerve. Care for me to pull up the MR article about the nuts and bolts of cost vs mark-up of the iPad?
Oh, yeah. I remember very well you wanting to SWEEP IT UNDER THE CARPET w/ your sickening, hypocritical fanboy comments.
$229 to build:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10451132-1.html
I am sorry I don't subscribe to the toilet humour of tampons, it's offensive, sexist and degrading to women, if you don't understand that, you are probably on of the myriads of 15 year olds in these forums who enjoy "gross out" movies with scatological humour. I don't have a problem with you watching them of course, there's a market for everything, but I don't want to see this garbage migrating to the forums.
Nice nickname too, apt choice.
Snow Leopard on such a small screen and with only touch for input would be pretty much unusable.
When the HP Slate is released and the reviews come in, the message will be desktop OS designed for mouse/keyboard should not be on tablets.
Will be interesting how they will undercut the $499 price.
the cost of apple's components are between $200-$270 by best guestimates. If they have to pay Microsoft for an OS, there goes a chunk of money. Add in all the other factors, and no revenue from something like the App store, and it means that any such device would have to be on significantly inferior hardware to undercut the base iPad on price.
But I am sure it will have a camera!
the cost of apple's components are between $200-$270 by best guestimates. If they have to pay Microsoft for an OS, there goes a chunk of money. Add in all the other factors, and no revenue from something like the App store, and it means that any such device would have to be on significantly inferior hardware to undercut the base iPad on price.
But I am sure it will have a camera!
Bring 'em on...
Oh, please. HP, Acer, whoever else wants to jump in the water. This can only help the entire platform. Of course, Apple will be the only one left standing because a "Windows 7 computer without a keyboard" is actually something less than a netbook and, man, do they suck. (I've owned an MSI netbook and, for an XP box, it was marginal. Put OSX on it and then you really see how badly the hardware sucks because OSX makes you expect so much more.)
With the iPhone OS on it, the iPad will be the winner; thankfully, the ability to dock it and/or use a BT keyboard is the trump card. It's designed to work by touch but can be used with a keyboard whereas Winblows is designed to be used with a hammer (okay, a keyboard) and is simply numb when it comes to being used by touch. It's also terminally right-handed (isn't that correct, lefties?)
Why, then, do I encourage HP, et al, to bring 'em on? Maybe Apple will drop the price a bit so I can get more for my money.
However, I'll be buying an iPad after I get a few more answers to questions about how it will handle open (non-DRM'd) formats (ePub, PDF, H264, MP3, etc.) from sources other than the iBookstore and iTunes. Assuming I can bring in content from everywhere (well, forget WMA and Windoze crap - who cares?), I'll be happy to let Steve separate me from my money.
Frankly, though, I see the iPad being used more by Grandma and Grandpa. There will be many who will see the cheap crap coming from Apple's competitors and go down that path. Many folks did that with the netbook and there's been a huge backlash of disappointment. I see many folks buying MacBooks after returning (or abandoning) their netbooks. We'll see the same with iPad wannabe's.
Should I suggest that Dell liquidate his company and return the residual value to the stockholders? It might be a good time to do this as a "smaller version of the iPad running Windoze" is doomed. *grin*
Oh, please. HP, Acer, whoever else wants to jump in the water. This can only help the entire platform. Of course, Apple will be the only one left standing because a "Windows 7 computer without a keyboard" is actually something less than a netbook and, man, do they suck. (I've owned an MSI netbook and, for an XP box, it was marginal. Put OSX on it and then you really see how badly the hardware sucks because OSX makes you expect so much more.)
With the iPhone OS on it, the iPad will be the winner; thankfully, the ability to dock it and/or use a BT keyboard is the trump card. It's designed to work by touch but can be used with a keyboard whereas Winblows is designed to be used with a hammer (okay, a keyboard) and is simply numb when it comes to being used by touch. It's also terminally right-handed (isn't that correct, lefties?)
Why, then, do I encourage HP, et al, to bring 'em on? Maybe Apple will drop the price a bit so I can get more for my money.
However, I'll be buying an iPad after I get a few more answers to questions about how it will handle open (non-DRM'd) formats (ePub, PDF, H264, MP3, etc.) from sources other than the iBookstore and iTunes. Assuming I can bring in content from everywhere (well, forget WMA and Windoze crap - who cares?), I'll be happy to let Steve separate me from my money.Frankly, though, I see the iPad being used more by Grandma and Grandpa. There will be many who will see the cheap crap coming from Apple's competitors and go down that path. Many folks did that with the netbook and there's been a huge backlash of disappointment. I see many folks buying MacBooks after returning (or abandoning) their netbooks. We'll see the same with iPad wannabe's.
Should I suggest that Dell liquidate his company and return the residual value to the stockholders? It might be a good time to do this as a "smaller version of the iPad running Windoze" is doomed. *grin*
He thinks he's not a pleb because he can use and demands to use an OS that millions of us plebs use...go figure...
eh?
I think you misunderstood the post.
Paying anything for Win mobile 7 is now a waste of money, cause you'll be the only one.
Well, let's see...
*does the tipping scale arm gestures*
Paying through the nose for an obese iPod Touch w/ crippled features.
Buying a all-in-one slate w/ a full OS and no limitations, even if it does run on a non-elitist OS.
Gee, I wonder where the SMART money is????
I don't think it's very difficult to compete with the iPad on price. Even the basic version can be improved upon for a bit less. Apple is very popular in the US and in several developed countries but the tablet format will bring in manufacturers from all sorts of market segments, I think and eventually, open OSs and low-priced alternatives might become hot sellers not just in developing countries but in the developed world too. The iPad looks nice and it has a complete 'microcosmos'. But that doesn't change the fact that having an iPad and fill it with content is not something that everybody does light-heartedly, without considering the competition and having a 'value for money' approach.
I actually completely agree with that and I think it's a valid point.
Windows 7 supports multitouch, OS X does not. But with Microsoft's mobile OS out, there is no need for them to put everything on that single card.