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HP Reverses Course, Will Keep PC Unit

usptact said:
The reason is money, not customers and what is right for them.
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Your comment makes no sense. It's definitely in the best interest for the customer to keep their computer division open. Whether it's profitable for them or not is their problem. But the customer wins if they keep it open.

*LTD* said:
F up WebOS and the whole TouchPad effort (after promising the world.) Then admit you've got profit issues and announce you're looking for a buyer for your PC division. Put WebOS on hold and announce layoffs because no one's buying your tablet. Sell your tablet at a massive loss instead. Meanwhile, no one really wants your PC division (yesterday's ideas.) Then you flip-flop and say you want to keep it after all due to some cost issues and stuff you hadn't thought of before.

Avoid HP like swine flu. They obviously have no clue what the they're doing and cannot adjust to current market realities.
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Again - damned if they do, damned if they don't. Remember the other day/thread when I said that companies can change. Here's an example. New CEO and a good overall decision. But that doesn't matter to you.

Apple's flip-flopped a few times in the past year regarding their software and products. But clearly they always know what they're doing, right?
 
JBytes said:
I suppose we should expect the rebirth of the TouchPad next?
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Everyone's making walled gardens. Apple, B&N, Amazon.

If Meg is smart, she'll sell a tablet dedicated to eBay and HSN and Flickr, tied to your Paypal account.

I know about a bajillion grandparents who would use such a gizmo all day long.

They don't want to surf the web. They want to buy stuff for the grandkids and look at their pictures :)
 
“HP decides to keep making computers after all” is a headline I did not expect to see this year, outside of The Onion.
 
Maybe they heard what Steve had to say about HP pulling out of the PC business.

"Hewlett and Packard built a great company, and they thought they had left it in good hands, but now it's being dismembered and destroyed. It's tragic. I hope I've left a stronger legacy so that will never happen at Apple." - Steve Jobs
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samcraig said:
Your comment makes no sense. It's definitely in the best interest for the customer to keep their computer division open. Whether it's profitable for them or not is their problem. But the customer wins if they keep it open.



Again - damned if they do, damned if they don't. Remember the other day/thread when I said that companies can change. Here's an example. New CEO and a good overall decision. But that doesn't matter to you.

Apple's flip-flopped a few times in the past year regarding their software and products. But clearly they always know what they're doing, right?
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Amazing how many of these also-rans are finding themselves in a "damned of you, damned if you don't" position, after Apple showed up (first in 2007, then again in 2010) and turned everything upside down for so many players in the industry.

It isn't as if HP was doing anything remotely impressive in the consumer sector before all this happened. Just another generic box-maker trying to follow the course Apple set with limited success.

No vision. Nothing really inspiring. I wonder at what point HP became a massive yawnfest. No wonder Steve Jobs felt so sad for them.
 
HP Accountant: "I think we should dump the consumer computing hardware business. It's a money pit."

HP Executive: "What are you talking about? We just sold every TouchPad we made!"

HP Accountant: "Um, yeah, we sold each at a big loss."

HP Executive: "Yes, but we sold hundreds of thousands!!!"

Watch for another flip flop next year.
 
Yay! I super excited to get a new HP Computer built with all the style and passion that clearly Apple lacks.

Like, seriously Apple, where all my stickers? I need stickers all over my computer explaining to me that, not only did I get a DVD drive, but it's an EIGHT SPEED DVD drive. Wooo! I mean, unlike newbs, I leave ALL my bling stickers right on the front of my computer. I mean, how else am I going to show people I got a 1.8 Celery baby?

Nother thing, plastics. I mean, you know that thing is going to be obsolete one day. How am I gonna get my high trying to burn all that aluminum, Apple? One word, plastics. Let me huff dem fumes.

Also, what's up with that lame wireless keyboard Apple? Like, what is that, 86 keys? Please. My HP has like 150 keys on it. That's gotta be better. You know.

Represent! HP in the house!
 
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After buying a 2 $99 touchpads this past summer for my Mom and GF I got play around with webos a little and I have to say I really like webos. If webos had more apps I could see it really taking off. I like webos way better than any version of android I have ever used. That said I'm still sticking to iOS devices.
 
HP and Netflix...

Someone should tell them to think before opening their mouth, make a stupid announcement, regret it and then make another announcement saying that we changed our minds.

Gheez, is this what those people get paid millions to do? HPs CEO should be fired pronto, and netflix guy? Well, I think his subscribers taught him a lesson.
 
CalWizrd said:
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I guess when she was just a board member she was swayed by Leo's charming personality.
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We've seen this headline before:

Also-ran tech company gets new CEO; promises big changes

Sure, you can expect good things . . . just don't bend over.
 
*LTD* said:
Amazing how many of these also-rans are finding themselves in a "damned of you, damned if you don't" position, after Apple showed up (first in 2007, then again in 2010) and turned everything upside down for so many players in the industry.

It isn't as if HP was doing anything remotely impressive in the consumer sector before all this happened. Just another generic box-maker trying to follow the course Apple set with limited success.

No vision. Nothing really inspiring. I wonder at what point HP became a massive yawnfest. No wonder Steve Jobs felt so sad for them.
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I have to ask, do you work in advertising or PR? Because you're actually pretty good and presenting fiction as fact. There is still plenty of room for "generic box makers" to make a profit. What is Apples marketshare in the laptop and desktop markets? And who dominate those markets? Can you guess? That's right, the "generic box makers".
 
Mattie Num Nums said:
Rumor has it this was all a move based on Taxes or something to that effect. That is why HP split its business. I heard this from one of our inside sales analysts.
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Yep, this is driving, or was driving the decision. Even if the hardware group is surviving there are lots of other subsidiaries being closed down for tax purposes regardless of profitability. For example, Logoworks is being shut down and the people are being let go despite its profitability. HP won't even sell the business to leaders within it who want it. The reason is HP wants the tax write-off. This is affecting a lot of employees at different subsidiaries around the country.
 
rmwebs said:
I hope so, its actually the platform closest to being able to give iOS a run for its money...I say that as a neutral developer who owns a Touchpad and iPad - its a nice platform, just needs a little love!
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I played with a friends HP touchpad...Web OS sucks. It looks cool, but it feels dated. Android 4.0 kills this, and so does IOS 5.0. Even microsoft Windows 8 is way behind. (The metro UI part) I play with that too at work. Not impressed yet.

We all know Apple is gonna blow it out of the park in IOS 6.0 because Android is coming strong.

HP makes good server hardware but crappy PC hardware. They should spin it off but if they could put some effort into it, they will be ok.
 
boss.king said:
I have to ask, do you work in advertising or PR? Because you're actually pretty good and presenting fiction as fact. There is still plenty of room for "generic box makers" to make a profit. What is Apples marketshare in the laptop and desktop markets? And who dominate those markets? Can you guess? That's right, the "generic box makers".
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In terms of profit share Apple dominates. Apple has something like 90% of the market in PCs $1000 and over.

Also, blame Sculley and his legal team's overly generous license to Microsoft. That license was a big reason Apple dropped from 20% market share to the low single digits, since it allowed Microsoft to copy huge elements from the Mac. That probably explains why Jobs was so adamant about fighting Android, since he could see history repeating itself.
 
And in other news HP has announced that their new PC line will be named Qwikster.
 
JBytes said:
I suppose we should expect the rebirth of the TouchPad next?
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It sold extraordinarily well at $150.

If they were to maintain that price and make it... well, better, in pretty much every way, I imagine they could make a good low end competitor to the iPad and Kindle Fire.
 
CalWizrd said:
Uhh, he was.
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More like fire the board. Those bozos are driving HP into the ground. Yes, it isn't just about consumer electronics but when they keep reversing course you begin to wonder if anyone with vision is steering the ship or if some is just having fun with the engines.


ArtOfWarfare said:
It sold extraordinarily well at $150.

If they were to maintain that price and make it... well, better, in pretty much every way, I imagine they could make a good low end competitor to the iPad and Kindle Fire.
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Yes! Sell at a massive loss and make it up in volume!
 
KPOM said:
In terms of profit share Apple dominates. Apple has something like 90% of the market in PCs $1000 and over.

Also, blame Sculley and his legal team's overly generous license to Microsoft. That license was a big reason Apple dropped from 20% market share to the low single digits, since it allowed Microsoft to copy huge elements from the Mac. That probably explains why Jobs was so adamant about fighting Android, since he could see history repeating itself.
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Just because Apple makes a profit doesn't mean no one else does though.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
It sold extraordinarily well at $150.

If they were to maintain that price and make it... well, better, in pretty much every way, I imagine they could make a good low end competitor to the iPad and Kindle Fire.
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Right... while losing about $300 on each one of those suckers they sold. I guess they could make it up with volume :)
 
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