Its because you don't factor in enterprise or anything non consumer in your argument.
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Its because you don't factor in enterprise or anything non consumer in your argument.
It's all so black and white with you, LTD. You know it's possible to enjoy Apple products and not always like what they do as a company or how the former CEO behaved, etc.
Everyone who criticized is not out to get Apple. In fact - I would say most expect more and want Apple to succeed or be even greater than they are. But you don't see that. You see what you want to see. Anyone who is "negative" is clearly a troll or anti-Apple. Good luck with that.
It will be hard to find a leader for HP because Apple's leader was the co-founder, the passion is hard to match. Bill and MS was successful, but look at MS since Ballmer, flat line. I hope Steve prepared Apple enough for the coming years...
HP and Netflix should form a consulting company
Yup. They can team up with Steve "people don't read anymore" Jobs's ghost.
If it wasn't for HP, Steve would not have created Apple.
Great that they keep their PC division. We need a sane competitor to Apple.
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Jonny Ivy is insanely great.
But no one can compare to Steve and for that matter Bill Gates. In 1996 it was real near that NT would have been Apples operating system.
How different the world would have looked.
No second coming of Jobs.
No Ipod.
No smart device revolution (all these devices today use *nix)
Great that they keep their PC division. We need a sane competitor to Apple.
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Jonny Ivy is insanely great.
But no one can compare to Steve and for that matter Bill Gates. In 1996 it was real near that NT would have been Apples operating system.
How different the world would have looked.
No second coming of Jobs.
No Ipod.
No smart device revolution (all these devices today use *nix)
So, first, HP was getting out of the PC making business and instead going to emulate IBM. Now they are reversing course.
Meanwhile, at Forrester Research, they said business should only allow Windows in the office place just three years ago. Now they release a new study reversing course and advising businesses not only allow Macs in enterprise but also stating that Mac users are HEROs ("Highly Empowered and Resourceful Operatives") and among the most innovative and effective employees.
What should I believe, Magic 8-Ball?
lol
Meanwhile, at Forrester Research, they said business should only allow Windows in the office place just three years ago. Now they release a new study reversing course and advising businesses not only allow Macs in enterprise but also stating that Mac users are HEROs ("Highly Empowered and Resourceful Operatives") and among the most innovative and effective employees.
What should I believe, Magic 8-Ball?
lol
Too many bureaucratic in-fighting going on with these companies. Too many people don't know what direction they are going with it.
But guess what? Apple was guilty of doing this too when the Macintosh flopped. So we can't pretend it didn't happen to them because it did 26 years ago and were months away from bankruptcy back in 1997 when Gil was still running the show. There was a time NeXT innovated with the world wide web and the future Mac OS X, but their products was a commercial flop. Technology or Apple's history didn't start in 2007. Everybody has their slumps. This is just a lesson to be told for Apple NOT to repeat again since they went through their growing pains too without SJ.
You learn more from your mistakes than your successes. What some call regrets, I call experience.
Read up on history...
http://kensegall.com/blog/2011/08/how-firing-steve-jobs-saved-apple/
But guess what? Apple was guilty of doing this too when the Macintosh flopped. So we can't pretend it didn't happen to them because it did 26 years ago and were months away from bankruptcy back in 1997 when Gil was still running the show. There was a time NeXT innovated with the world wide web and the future Mac OS X, but their products was a commercial flop. Technology or Apple's history didn't start in 2007. Everybody has their slumps. This is just a lesson to be told for Apple NOT to repeat again since they went through their growing pains too without SJ.
You learn more from your mistakes than your successes. What some call regrets, I call experience.
Read up on history...
http://kensegall.com/blog/2011/08/how-firing-steve-jobs-saved-apple/
Precisely. I like some of Apples products, but that doesn't mean I can't call them out on things I think they could have done better.
Main things we should all take away from this is :
1. *LTD*
2. No vision. Nothing really inspiring.
3. He's a major Yawnfest
Assuming that some (younger) readers don't understand the Steve quote - it's referring to the old HP that made test equipment, a division since spun off to Agilent in the 90s.
Old HP, before PCs existed, was basically the greatest test equipment company in the world. Their products were engineering and mechanical works of art.
Unsurprising. If you're the largest PC maker and you're posting in the red, there's something wrong. If their PC unit really is doing so poorly profit wise it sounds like the management was (or probably is) crappy and thus their margins didn't compare favorably to other PC manufacturer rivals.
Regardless, they squandered a good opportunity for the tablet market, and continue to do so by sitting on WebOS. They could be doing much better at this point in time both for phones and tablets.
Luckily they have their enterprise market... as long as they don't **** that one up they're still good.
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Agilent still makes some good stuff too. We use an agilent HPLC; works pretty well. Dumb spinoff IMO.
Regardless, they squandered a good opportunity for the tablet market, and continue to do so by sitting on WebOS. They could be doing much better at this point in time both for phones and tablets.
Luckily they have their enterprise market... as long as they don't **** that one up they're still good.
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Agilent still makes some good stuff too. We use an agilent HPLC; works pretty well. Dumb spinoff IMO.
Hp would be dumb to get rid of their pc market. Their home section might not be doing good but their enterprise and government sales are doing great. Hp is on ny state agg buy contract while dell is not.
Also Hp's Zseries workstations in my opinion compare with mac pro's same chipsets and everything (awesome metal cases with handles also).
If hp makes their home pc's like they do their workstations they could clean up on the pc side of things (non apple)
Also Hp's Zseries workstations in my opinion compare with mac pro's same chipsets and everything (awesome metal cases with handles also).
If hp makes their home pc's like they do their workstations they could clean up on the pc side of things (non apple)
HP and Netflix should form a consulting company
Don't forget Research in Motion. They deserve some negative recognition as well.
...that WE hired. (fixed that for you)
The problem has been the board of Directors rather then those they've put into the CEO position. After failing so many times at picking a CEO, they need to fire themselves and help H.P. survive.
Say what you will about their abortive TouchPad, It wasn't selling at it's regular price, short as it was.
Now that Apple is matching the demand, there is little reason to not buy an iPad.
The problem is HP got in a price war with Dell over market share and raced to the bottom on price. What does market share matter if you have no margins? Nothing, but apparently the business whizzes at Dell and HP didn't understand that.
Now how does HP add margins to its products? Simple. Stop scraping for the bottom of the barrel. Stop competing with Dell in the $399 PC space. Let them eat all the losses and absorb all the customer griping about support calls to India. Simplify your lineup - you don't need 80 different models. Make more premium hardware and charge premium prices, make less commodity crap. Stop redesigning your computer enclosures every 3 months. Make a great design and stick with it for a couple of years.
In other words, follow Apple's lead and profit.
Not too many years ago, $1500-$2000 was the expected price for a home computer. Now Dell and HP have set the expectation that you can get a home computer for $399 (with printer!). Who makes money on that? No one. And your customers are unhappy because the hardware is cheap junk and your technical support is sent overseas to save every penny possible.
In the meantime, you still pay the $1500-2000 for a Mac that you paid 10 years ago. You haven't lowered customer pricing expectations and you manage to sell your hardware at a profit. And customer satisfaction remains high.
The data in 2007 and 2008 hadnt yet started to show a significant trend toward consumerization and Mac use in the enterprise. Further, that the average age of the PC that people are using is now 5-6 years vs. 3 years back then. Couple that with the extended refresh cycle to Windows 7 leaving many on XP for far longer than they should have been, and it created the opportunity for Apple to drive a wedge into the enterprise notebook market, driven by end user frustration.So, first, HP was getting out of the PC making business and instead going to emulate IBM. Now they are reversing course.
Meanwhile, at Forrester Research, they said business should only allow Windows in the office place just three years ago. Now they release a new study reversing course and advising businesses not only allow Macs in enterprise but also stating that Mac users are HEROs ("Highly Empowered and Resourceful Operatives") and among the most innovative and effective employees.
What should I believe, Magic 8-Ball?
lol
Best,
Dave
I don't know if this has been mentioned,but hp needs to change their naming system. What are their laptops called? dv1x3 (something like this). It's a throwback from their engineering origins. However, it's not only confusing, but it's a turn-off for non-techies (most consumers). Apple has mastered this.
No one.
If it doesn't run OS X, no sale. Software is two-thirds the experience. No OS X means no Apple ecosystem.
Unfortunately, that cuts out all non-Apple manufacturers. However, when you're the type that values User Experience above most other things, software is going to be the big equalizer the majority of the time. All that hardware is pointless when it's a gateway to a half-baked licensed-to-hell-and-back ecosystem.
Hardware means nothing until you load the OS.
To understand Apple better, it's important to understand the markets in which they swim and what other carnivores they swim with.
I enjoy the selection of articles MR makes available on its site.I skip those that don't interest me
Some of the things you say are just so ridiculous I do a spit take.
The iOS ecosystem is pretty good...
But don't EVEN compare OSX to Microsoft.
You will be left in the dust buddy.
Yeah we get that you like you little Mac and are all proud of yourself.
But 90 % of the Business world run on Windows Machines BECAUSE of the Microsoft ecosystem.
Go bait and troll some place else, it's getting old here
Before join gin the dark side with my first Mac in 2006, I had used HP PCs. I had never considered one until Carly Fiorina as CEO bought Compaq and transformed the geek/tech computer division into a consumer-oriented powerhouse and took it to the #1 spot in the PC world. They dropped the weird, proprietary add-ins which tended to stop working when Windows got a security update and concentrated on good computers and good (if outsourced) customer support.
It was on one of these HP desktops that came loaded with iTunes that I got my first look at Apple, bought an iPod and began my migration into the Apple world. It was a good computer. Others I had bought for work were good. They CAN do it. They can succeed in the market if they take a customer-oriented approach, but the geeks have been clawing back control of the company.
I don't think Meg made an inspired decision here. I think she saw 1.5 Billion as a big dent in her golden parachute and decided it would be better for her if the company stayed in the computer business.
It is a bit of joy to be writing this on a 2006 MacBook Pro which Apple has supported through four generations of OS X and which still serves me well. The PC is still here as part of a bookshelf.
It was on one of these HP desktops that came loaded with iTunes that I got my first look at Apple, bought an iPod and began my migration into the Apple world. It was a good computer. Others I had bought for work were good. They CAN do it. They can succeed in the market if they take a customer-oriented approach, but the geeks have been clawing back control of the company.
I don't think Meg made an inspired decision here. I think she saw 1.5 Billion as a big dent in her golden parachute and decided it would be better for her if the company stayed in the computer business.
It is a bit of joy to be writing this on a 2006 MacBook Pro which Apple has supported through four generations of OS X and which still serves me well. The PC is still here as part of a bookshelf.