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They are killing their tablets and webOS devices!

Aren't they killing their rack mounted server line too?

And also the printers?

What is left? :apple:

You probably don't understand enterprise business. It's a company that does business with other companies.

They do consulting, IT and research for military, governments etc.

They do a lot of work (and make a lot of money) in services, support and solutions. They rarely put much effort or focus on consumer products. i.e. their main customers are other companies.

Having worked at HP in the past, their corporate culture was never about being creative or coming up with cool new products or ideas. It was always more about - did you follow the process? did you pass this by your manager first? did you wait until it went up the chain of command 6 months ago? Meetings were not so much a discussion but rather a lecture on efficiency and applying new management standards.
 
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The best thing HP makes is their Laser Printers, they make really great Laser printers. I have a Personal LaserJet, and it's one of the smartest investments I ever made. That little printer spits 'em out, and very quickly too. Served me well for the duration I've been using it, had it about 7 years now and it still works like a Pro.
 
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

How do you think I'm going to get along,
Without you, when you're gone
You took me for everything that I had,
And kicked me out on my own

Are you happy, are you satisfied
How long can you stand the heat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat
 
Gateway is owned by Taiwanese PC Maker, Acer. A shadow of its once self, it is basically a relabeling of Acer stuff.

Yeah, it's no longer the Texas-based business it was.

I just can't believe how quickly HP is abandoning the TouchPad. Not enough focus and effort to make it succeed. They just thought that by creating a Tablet with "apparently" better specs than the iPad, they would automatically succeed.
They forget that the iPad success is founded on the whole Ecosystem Apple has already being building around the the iPod Touch and iPhone.
Instead HP launched the TouchPad and sat around as if they were just waiting for an egg to hatch.

The critical question is now: What makes HP believe that WebOS is going to survive now? WebOS popularity is way too far behind Android and iOS.
The world already has enough trouble deciding between the two; Windows Mobile is not even mentioned, Symbian got abandoned, and who knows what happened to PalmOS after so many many years.

At least HP should have made the TouchPad Android compatible, and see what happens.
 
But Google is! HP just bailed too soon. And MS is toying with Nokia.

HP's model was the closest to Apple as they were the only one to use their WebOS. And they have abandoned that. Google buying Motorola Mobility is different because they still intend to license Android to others. MS deal with Nokia also isn't exclusive.
 
I wondered how long it would be before the Carly haters came out. ;) As a matter of fact, she has been gone for six and a half years . . .

At least she DID something and shook up a company that desperately needed it at the time.

Evidently a lot of her former employees hated her. Fired everyone and sent everything to China and the political ads about that seemed to have cost her the election. The polls seemed to go against her at that time. Good.
 
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone, and another one gone
Another one bites the dust
Hey, I'm gonna get you too
Another one bites the dust

How do you think I'm going to get along,
Without you, when you're gone
You took me for everything that I had,
And kicked me out on my own

Are you happy, are you satisfied
How long can you stand the heat
Out of the doorway the bullets rip
To the sound of the beat

And TouchPad owners sing to Apple:

Save me, Save me, Save me.
I can't face this life alone...
 
ASUS or Lenovo (who bought IBM's PC division) seem the obvious choice of buyers for HP.

... It does make you wonder, though, what the landscape will evolve into. I wonder if we aren't too far away from ONE PC manufacturer to square off against Apple?

Regarding webOS dying on the vine: It's already looking like we're down to iOS, WP7, and Android, and Windows Phone isn't doing so great either...
 
HP's model was the closest to Apple as they were the only one to use their WebOS. And they have abandoned that. Google buying Motorola Mobility is different because they still intend to license Android to others. MS deal with Nokia also isn't exclusive.

Nobody really wants "exclusive" partnership agreements, specially when there is an uncertain future to their venture. Each party is afraid the other one may not perform as expected. At least by having several partners their chances of not loosing too much gets better.
 
Compaq's were one of the worst Laptops I have ever owned.

I agree with the option of Apple buying HP's WebOS business though. It would help Apples iCloud/Devices a lot.


The most indestructible laptop I have ever owned was a Compaq Armada 1750, it was melted, had things spilled on it, dropped down stairs, out of moving cars, stepped on, and once had a lead statue fall on it. The damn thing was like highlander in silicon. Still works, I dust it off to see if it still lives every so often.

Also, I add my voice to everyone else that use HP in the machine room: Their switches and servers are awesome!
 
Carly Fiorina

Carly Fiorina is what really killed HP, Compaq, Digital and now Palm. She set the ball rolling with nonsensical mergers and she was a wreaker of companies and a horrible CEO! It looks like the HP Board members are a bunch of idiots too!

Autonomy will be dead in a year or two!

Does HP own any valuable patents?
 
Ugh...cant believe they're killing webOS. Why did this OS suffer from such horrible management. Now a great OS is just gonna die. HTC/Samsung please buy it.
 
1)IBM hates HP and vice versa

2)IBM got out of the PC market a long time ago...and will never go back. IBM has been concentrating on software and services for over a decade and making bajillions of $$$ that way instead of computer manufacturing. IBM would never go back into that space.

Gotta separate "computers" from PC in point 2 there. IBM makes *lots* of computers. The bluegene system I'm logged into right now is IBM engineering and manufacture from the CPU to the interconnect to the cooling. The mainframes they make are Big Business too. They just don't do PCs.
 
You probably don't understand enterprise business. It's a company that does business with other companies.

They do consulting, IT and research for military, governments etc.

They do a lot of work (and make a lot of money) in services, support and solutions. They rarely put much effort or focus on consumer products. i.e. their main customers are other companies.

Having worked at HP in the past, their corporate culture was never about being creative or coming up with cool new products or ideas. It was always more about - did you follow the process? did you pass this by your manager first? did you wait until it went up the chain of command 6 months ago? Meetings were not so much a discussion but rather a lecture on efficiency and applying new management standards.

I think I understand business very well. Is sounds like all they do is push paper around. HP is a shell of its former self. Horribly mis-managed! Sad!
 
"Optimize value" is an interesting phrase... I read it to mean "fire the engineers and replace them with a bigger sales force".

Maybe HP can spin off their PC and mobile businesses, and then merge with Agilent...

The most ironic thing for those who know their history is that Woz used to work for HP

That's about as unironic as I can imagine-- half the valley is connected to HP, and the other half is connected to companies connected to HP.
 
So HP is following in IBM's footsteps, but HP does not have a bunch of enterprise software products that they sell last I checked. So they would be integrating solutions from others and offering WebOS. I am little lost and baffled here. Can anybody tell me what HP does on the enterprise side beside manufacturing servers?

On the Google/Motorola side I am even more confused. Palm tried to license their OS while competing against those who licensed it and failed. Apple tried to license their OS while competing against those who licensed it and failed. Google is now going to produce hardware running their OS and license it to others whom they will compete against. I guess the "advantage" that Google has here is that unlike Palm and Apple, Google is giving away the software instead of extracting a licensing fee from those competitors/partners [sarcasm :rolleyes:]. So Google can look forward to making $6 per year per user on advertising money that they have to go collect from their advertisers. It seems like a very indirect way to make money -- especially when you are investing $9.5B ($12.5B - $3B Motorola cash). Especially considering that Motorola is going to act as a cost base for Google since they are currently losing money as well (Motorola was actually using that $3B in cash they had to stay afloat, and I am not even sure how much debt Motorola has).

All of these major moves this week are hard to get my head wrapped around. I understand what Apple does.... they build product and they sell product. Apple is focused on their customers (which is probably why iAd is so difficult for them -- since customers don't like ads). Being focused on your customer sometimes makes your partners and competitors very upset (AT&T dropping cheaper text messaging plans). But it makes sense since Apple's customers are who provide the revenue. Apple makes hundreds of dollars of direct revenue per user (per device sold). Even if Google made $10 per user per year, how many years of use can you get out of a device to make that a viable business? They have already invested over $10B in Android development (maybe as much as $20B if you count things like litigation with Oracle).

Maybe HP has decided that the customers who make them money are the enterprise customers and the PC business has become a distraction. Maybe this will be good for them like it was for IBM, but IBM already had lots of software products and servers to sell to the enterprise in addition to building solutions around them at an hourly rate. HP has the servers to sell and the solutions to build, but I don't think they have a whole lot of enterprise software products.

EDIT: Sadly, I don't see HP's enterprise arm making WebOS a top priority -- I see it dying the same death as BeOS.... something that had great potential that never really caught on.

They buying a software company - make their solutions their own and selling them to all the business that already own HP service contracts - HP must think that they have a foot in the door - but yeah HP is no IBM

Apple has been doing the same thing since day one and is still at 4% of the computer market, got booted from the server market and is nowhere in enterprise software or solutions - how they do business has already been proven not to work in the world HP lives in - that boat sailed a long time ago

I think Google just wants to be the microsoft of cellphones - they do not care about hardware (if they did they would have bought HTC) so do not think they will try and help make MOTO into the #1 android maker in any way - they just wanted a patent guard dog. If I was MOTO I would not expect much help from Google.
 
A Spin Off is the first step for another company to purchase part of your business. So, the million dollar question is, who is going to buy the HP PC Division?

Lenovo has made hay with their acquisition of IBM's PC biz.
Maybe they would like to double up and show the rest of the PC
world how to do it right.
 
The didn't want Palm, they wanted their patent portfolio and some of their personal. The never intended to keep developing WebOS itself or WebOS hardware.




Read the summary section of the article you linked to. If Apple could've gotten the patents and people at a fire sale steal of a price, then sure, of course Apple would've bought it. That's why Apple only put in a lowball bid. They knew they would either get the IP patents and developers at a cheap price, or they would drive the bidding price up to make it more expensive for their competitors to buy. It was a win-win business decision for Apple to put in a bid for Palm, but they also were clearly never very serious about acquiring them.
 
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