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Facebook is junk

Facebook is an incoherent jumble of crappiness. Their app sucks, and some third party apps are much better.

However, many people like it, so Apple has to be sure that customers get the quality of software that functions well on iPads. Maybe the holdup is for Facebook to deliver a quality product.
 
Not exactly ....

What's really dumb? People who aren't able to consider all the possibilities before spouting off negative comments on products or services they clearly haven't used enough to form a valid opinion!

I'd be among the first to agree that there are a LOT of negative points surrounding Facebook. I think most of the games on it are pointless time-wasters really designed to grab your personal info for marketing purposes. I think a whole lot of people waste their time uploading 50 pictures a month of their pet dog or cat and generally have far too high an opinion of how interested others will be in their "content". And I think it's REALLY annoying that FB won't allow third parties to develop add-ons or alternate UIs for Facebook without actively taking steps to break them.

All of that being said, I DON'T think Facebook is anything like AOL and I see quite a few people out there making great use of it.

For example, I do some writing for a tech. blog and the editorial staff has a private FB group set up as the "hub" for our activities. People post status updates to let everyone else know what story they've decided to start writing a draft of (so we don't duplicate any efforts), and the owners make all of their important announcements there. We can comment on stories easily too, or post links to possible topics for future articles. All in all, a really good FREE resource for keeping all of us organized.

I'm also a member of a car owners' group on Facebook and it, too, is pretty useful. The problem with most traditional message forums out there for car enthusiasts is they're paid for by vendors. That means individuals are censored, to an extent, if they try to speak badly about their experience with products sold by supporting vendors, and sometimes the positives of a product are inflated too. On a private, free area on FB, it's possible to tell people how things REALLY are and warn against purchasing from questionable individuals on other forums, etc. It's also a handy one-stop place for people to post photos and organize car shows or other events.

Need more examples? Most of my FB friends like to share URLs to items of interest to our group. It serves as kind of my daily "launching point" when I want to browse interesting news topics, because people who I know in real life and who really share my interests recommend them personally.

Facebook is a tool, and like any tool, can be misused, over-used, or used dangerously if one isn't familiar with its potential pitfalls. But there's a reason Cisco's recent survey on Internet usage revealed 90% of business professionals and students under the age of 30 have a Facebook account.


Facebook is dumb. When are people going to wake up and realize that Facebook has just reversed the internet back into AOL.


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I wouldn't waste my time replying, but this was just too screwed-up a statement to let it slide.....

How many companies out there HAVE a CEO who is a good enough public speaker and presenter to go out on stage on a regular basis and give a good demo of all of the company's new products, and make it exciting enough so he/she packs any venue the talks are given in?

How many CEOs even have the motivation to do such a thing, if they were capable of it?

If you gave Jobs credit for absolutely *nothing* else, I think you'd have to say his big success story revolves around knowing how to market what his company does!

Really, anyone could have done what he did.

The team comes up with a product and he trots on stage....the people say Ouuuuu and Ahhhhh
 
You pointed out a few minor events in the life of SJ

He has to do something right ?

I'm saying the product speaks for itself. The creators are to thank and that is why we buy.

I'm too bored to go over all of the other tires arguments that you got wrong, check ...I dunno Um Wikipedia or Google.

I stated my case.

As for the Atheist thing, its about disliking the blind worship and questioning the reality of the situation.

Really, anyone could have done what he did.

The team comes up with a product and he trots on stage....the people say Ouuuuu and Ahhhhh

So, I take your argument to be that there are in fact no corporate leaders of consequence at all, that corporate success depends entirely on whether there is either enough or too little talent?
 
So, I take your argument to be that there are in fact no corporate leaders of consequence at all, that corporate success depends entirely on whether there is either enough or too little talent?

Unless they do something above and beyond stupid and hurt the company in the process, then yes.

The CEO is just there as a figure head.

Especially with a tech company.

Development happens no matter what and the best tech/design wins

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I wouldn't waste my time replying, but this was just too screwed-up a statement to let it slide.....

How many companies out there HAVE a CEO who is a good enough public speaker and presenter to go out on stage on a regular basis and give a good demo of all of the company's new products, and make it exciting enough so he/she packs any venue the talks are given in?

How many CEOs even have the motivation to do such a thing, if they were capable of it?

If you gave Jobs credit for absolutely *nothing* else, I think you'd have to say his big success story revolves around knowing how to market what his company does!

A stage presenter and company promoter is not the Role of a CEO.

Besides if it was SJ would not have been my first choice, he has ZERO charisma.


Seriously ! Are you saying if it was anyone else on stage presenting the MacBook Air or the iPad ............You wouldnt want to buy it ????!?!!!!


Gimmie a Break
 
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Seriously ! Are you saying if it was anyone else on stage presenting the MacBook Air or the iPad ............You wouldnt want to buy it ????!?!!!!


Gimmie a Break

Your argument falls apart so you put words in my mouth. Nice.

I have never said anything about stage presentations at all, so obviously you don't know what my opinion would be, and what I think or no is not germane to my argument anyway.

Unless they do something above and beyond stupid and hurt the company in the process, then yes.

The CEO is just there as a figure head.

Especially with a tech company.

Development happens no matter what and the best tech/design wins


That's all anyone needs to know of your opinion on the subject of Steve Jobs specifically and CEO's in general.
 
HP wrote the Facebook app for TouchPad, not Facebook. If Jobs really blew up over that, well... guy needs a slap. Seriously, how is Facebook supposed to stop a 3rd party from writing apps for a public service ? :rolleyes:

Things like is one of the many reasons that I have never liked Steve Jobs.

As there is more than one OS for tablets why would Apple think or believe that it should be the only tablet or phone company to have direct Facebook app integration.

Apple in many ways acts like a spoiled brat. I hope that under different leadership that some or most of that will go away. But two things against that is that Steve Jobs is Chairman of the Board & that those in power now have been hand picked by Steve Jobs.
 
Your argument falls apart so you put words in my mouth. Nice.

I have never said anything about stage presentations at all, so obviously you don't know what my opinion would be, and what I think or no is not germane to my argument anyway.




That's all anyone needs to know of your opinion on the subject of Steve Jobs specifically and CEO's in general.



Are you kidding or do you just have trouble following a conversation ?

You were going off about how Steve Jobs "Promotes"...and his "Energy" and other meaningless merits of a figure head.

Then I asked you question !

A Question !

How is ASKING YOU A FREAKING QUESTION putting words in your mouth ?

Jeeze ?


Maybe you just don't like that I'm correct
 
The CEO is just there as a figure head.

Especially with a tech company.

Funny that you would say that about a company which almost died in the 90's but, when Jobs went back to it, got it converted into the most valued company on the face of the Earth in about 12 years.
(sounds epic, doesn't it? :D)

I bet other tech companies would LOVE to have such an effective "figure head".
Development happens no matter what and the best tech/design wins

Yep, ask HP or BlackBerry or Nokia or Microsoft.

A stage presenter and company promoter is not the Role of a CEO.

Yep, that's the point; it isn't the role of a normal CEO.
And yet this CEO was able to do it, and better than anyone.

Besides if it was SJ would not have been my first choice, he has ZERO charisma.

Well, maybe you should tell something to those other CEOs who try (and fail terribly) to copy the style of Jobs' keynotes. I am sure they will love your stylistic suggestions.
 
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Funny that you would say that about a company which almost died in the 90's but, when Jobs went back to it, got it converted into the most valued company on the face of the Earth in about 12 years.
(sounds epic, doesn't it? :D)

I bet other tech companies would LOVE to have such an effective "figure head".


Yep, ask HP or BlackBerry or Nokia or Microsoft.



Yep, that's the point; it isn't the role of a normal CEO.
And yet this CEO was able to do it, and better than anyone.



Well, maybe you should tell something to those other CEOs who try (and fail terribly) to copy the style of Jobs' keynotes. I am sure they will love your stylistic suggestions.




Another one :rolleyes:

Well, looks like thats the end of the company now.

"EVERYONE STOP DEVELOPMENT END RESEARCH , THE BILLIONAIRE STOCK HOLDING PUPPET HAS LEFT HE BUILDING"
 
Are you kidding or do you just have trouble following a conversation ?

You were going off about how Steve Jobs "Promotes"...and his "Energy" and other meaningless merits of a figure head.

Then I asked you question !

A Question !

How is ASKING YOU A FREAKING QUESTION putting words in your mouth ?

Jeeze ?


Maybe you just don't like that I'm correct

Now you've got me mixed up with someone else here...

I'm taking it you aren't having a good time.
 
Development happens no matter what and the best tech/design wins

Yep, that's why we ride zeppelins, have light bulbs that last a century, any appliance that lasts over a decade, had betamax instead of vhs, use 60 Hz current around the world and nobody gets lost in airports.
 
Another one :rolleyes:

Well, looks like thats the end of the company now.

"EVERYONE STOP DEVELOPMENT END RESEARCH , THE BILLIONAIRE STOCK HOLDING PUPPET HAS LEFT HE BUILDING"

Aaah, I get it! So you were talking about HP and Léo Apotheker?
:D
 
Please, please, please..

Please Facebook/Zuckerberg piss off Steve Jobs again, and Tim Cook and and anyone else you can at Apple, so they remove any trace of the stupidity of Facebook from iOS and never allow it to appear. If I see one damn "Like" button on my iPhone I am going to hurl it against a brickwall and never buy another Apple product again.

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Facebook is dumb. When are people going to wake up and realize that Facebook has just reversed the internet back into AOL.

Couldn't agree more. Facebook does seem like AOL. A place for sheeple to graze under the protection of the sheep herder who tells them where to go and what to do. If everyone else is doing you must Like it and do it too. Do not resist, it is better to follow along. You will be happy because you have many friends - most of whom you have never met and never will.

And Twitter reminds me of CB radios. Thank god that went out with disco music and mullets. Let's hope Facebook and Twitter meet the same fate and take rap music and reality TV shows with them.
 
Now you've got me mixed up with someone else here...

I'm taking it you aren't having a good time.

No I am not. You chimed in. I'm having a great old time.

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Aaah, I get it! So you were talking about HP and Léo Apotheker?
:D

As I said :Unless the CEO does something really stupid, the role is just a figure head. Its a meaningless title. Léo Apotheker is an Idiot ! He made some of the worst decisions ever. If he had just sat back and enjoyed being neutral none of that would have happened and he would still have a "Job"

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Yep, that's why we ride zeppelins, have light bulbs that last a century, any appliance that lasts over a decade, had betamax instead of vhs, use 60 Hz current around the world and nobody gets lost in airports.

I never said progress was perfect. But for the most part, I am correct
 
Facebook is IMHO the worst internet phenomenon in history(lack of privacy, locking the internet down,incompetent programming).
If they want to integrate it in iOS, it should be completly optional for both old & new users(unlike Spotify. which is about to launch in my country, but only accepts fb-accounts for new members:mad:).

Twitter, on the other hand, I like as a B2C tool(me being the "Customer"), since "Business" cannot delete your posts just like(unlike when you post them on their facebook wall).
Businesses cannot claim they lost my mail in the spambox, and it can keep me updated on products without flooding my mailbox. As for personal communication, It's pointless to me.
 
As I said :Unless the CEO does something really stupid, the role is just a figure head. Its a meaningless title. Léo Apotheker is an Idiot ! He made some of the worst decisions ever. If he had just sat back and enjoyed being neutral none of that would have happened and he would still have a "Job

Then maybe you should learn two things, at least:
--industry don't think that CEOs are, nor expect them to be, "figure heads"; that's why companies will fight for those considered the best ones, and that's why those monster severance packages are in place. (I am not saying that they should be so big, of course...)
--there are CEOs (like Apotheker or like any other of the ones Palm had, or like Scully, which destroy companies and leave the public wondering WTF is going on), ... and there are CEOs (like Jobs, which is more like some modern Midas). Does it hurt you if I say the "visionary" word? :D

Do you know who, like you, also thought that Jobs was a "figure head", and a problematic one at that? John Scully.
And now look at what the industry thinks of him now... and what they think of Jobs himself, for God's sake.

Anyway, if you didn't see that evidence before, then your problem has to be either blindness or ideology.

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Facebook is IMHO the worst internet phenomenon in history...

I stopped reading at that. What kind of point can you really make by exaggerating like so? Yeah, sure, you'd prefer WW II to Facebook!
 
He's worth more $$ than Steve. He's such an idiot. :rolleyes:

Really? Is that the argument? The Saudi Royal family are worth more $$ than both combined. Does that make them better? Zuckenburg had the luxury of observing the mistakes of previous generations when it came to corporate control. SJ gave in too easy and should have stayed as CEO, Page and Brin kept stock and chose a new CEO (not a backstabber luckily - well part from the knife in the back of the Apple board) and Zuck took control from the outset.

Zuck's error is that he is riding a wave of success that he seems to think makes him invulnerable. However loss of loyalty from your peers can destroy even the most successful businessman. We'll call it youthful naivety, not stupidity as he is definitely not that.
 
Winklvoss twins were right

The reported behavior of Zuck has all the markings a guy, who underneath the boyish smile, is really a con and cannot be trusted.

Too bad for the Winklevoss twins that their case had to be litigated before there was fuller development of evidence of Zucks character. The Winklevoss twins no longer seem to be as churlish as I had thought.

More likely, the Winklevoss twins got out-churled by a master.
 
I never said progress was perfect. But for the most part, I am correct

Right now, you're mixing progress up with free market capitalism. The two have very little to do with one another. Quality is a minimal part of the equation. Marketing, cost-effectiveness and profit maximation are the key factors. We'll never see the quality of products that COULD be produced because those would not yield maximal profits for the company. Just as we will never progress in a way that is ideal for the society. At the moment, money is king. The consumer has very little power to affect progress.
 
So it was always Steve Jobs holding the company back with his hot head and spoiled brat mentality. He never did work well with others.

Now that he's gone we should see some real progress

Hey Bill you need to get your head out of your butt. The lack of oxygen is making you talk gibberish. If we could hear you we would probably hear grunts and snorts.

Even industry insiders that don't like Jobs admit he's been critical to Apple's success.
 
Hey Bill you need to get your head out of your butt. The lack of oxygen is making you talk gibberish. If we could hear you we would probably hear grunts and snorts.

Even industry insiders that don't like Jobs admit he's been critical to Apple's success.

Hmmm,...Head in my butt....

Well sir, you make a compelling argument against my ass hat.

But anyway.


I think my point is lost in all of the amazing replies.



If your right and the credit goes to one man and not the team of thousands who actually develop the product , well....then I guess Apple is now Doomed.


It was fun while it lasted.


Amazing that one man came up with all of those Ideas Himself :rolleyes: !


You know what?! I'll bet he spent his spare time in the factory putting them together too !:eek:


Oh NO ! Who's going to make my iPad 3 Now :(

Me sad now:(:(:(
 
Really? Is that the argument? The Saudi Royal family are worth more $$ than both combined. Does that make them better? Zuckenburg had the luxury of observing the mistakes of previous generations when it came to corporate control. SJ gave in too easy and should have stayed as CEO, Page and Brin kept stock and chose a new CEO (not a backstabber luckily - well part from the knife in the back of the Apple board) and Zuck took control from the outset.

Zuck's error is that he is riding a wave of success that he seems to think makes him invulnerable. However loss of loyalty from your peers can destroy even the most successful businessman. We'll call it youthful naivety, not stupidity as he is definitely not that.

Maybe if you made the "mistakes" that Mark made you wouldn't be so bitter?

The reported behavior of Zuck has all the markings a guy, who underneath the boyish smile, is really a con and cannot be trusted.

Like Jobs?

If your right and the credit goes to one man and not the team of thousands who actually develop the product , well....then I guess Apple is now Doomed.


It was fun while it lasted.


Amazing that one man came up with all of those Ideas Himself :rolleyes: !


You know what?! I'll bet he spent his spare time in the factory putting them together too !:eek:


Oh NO ! Who's going to make my iPad 3 Now :(

Me sad now:(:(:(


Uncle Steve is an amazing man. And quite busy too. Just like Santa and the elves.
 
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