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So anyone who doesn't think the HTC Hero is better version of the iPhone is a troll?

I mean, there's really isn't even a discussion. The HTC Hero is just a riced out HTC Magic witha slow fugly UI and gimmicky-at-best widgets.

It's not even worth wasting my breath about. That's why I just posted "No."

well, the htc hero does carry a few features that the iphone does not, so it's really up to personal preference.

you think the UI on the htc hero looks fugly, some other people find it clean. i feel that the the UI is just as clean and crisp as the iphone's, just that it's styled in a different manner. however, i'll admit the widgets do need quite a bit of work on them.

if you gave reasons as to why you said no to the htc in the first place, no one would have called you a forum troll.


mattye, i know what micro sd's are, hence why i'm a bit scared of losing them. they're the tic tacs of memory cards haha. although i'm sure if i had a case to hold several micro sds, it wouldn't be a problem.
 
There are many things wrong with the iPhone UI and I think the Hero fixes that. I just wish the hero had a physical keyboard. What the heck is up with the 100% touchscreen phones now-a-days? Nobody likes to type using actual keyboards? It's much easier, faster and convenient...
 
I'm not sure about in the US, but it's coming out on T-Mobile and Orange in the UK. Or you can buy it for £399 (~$660) sim free.

link to the £399 price? i only heard that it was going to be a pre-order price of £429 unlocked on amazon.uk.
 
There are many things wrong with the iPhone UI and I think the Hero fixes that. I just wish the hero had a physical keyboard. What the heck is up with the 100% touchscreen phones now-a-days? Nobody likes to type using actual keyboards? It's much easier, faster and convenient...

I guess it's form over function.

That said, I can type almost as fast on a capacitive touch keyboard as I can a physical one.
 
There are many things wrong with the iPhone UI and I think the Hero fixes that. I just wish the hero had a physical keyboard. What the heck is up with the 100% touchscreen phones now-a-days? Nobody likes to type using actual keyboards? It's much easier, faster and convenient...

if it's any help, the Hero has a capacitive touch screen as opposed to a resistive screen, so you could always use a stylus if need be.
 
if it's any help, the Hero has a capacitive touch screen as opposed to a resistive screen, so you could always use a stylus if need be.

I'd have thought a capacitive screen (same as on the iPhone) would actually make it harder to use a stylus on it. Using a capacitive screen is something they've definitely done right (and Nokia did wrong by not using capacitive on the N97)

That phone looks really awesome. When is it coming out/what carrier?

According to expansys, it's out on the 6th July and is £399 SIM free.

I personally can't decide on whether I like it or not. I like Android, having played with a friend's G1 and am considering developing for the platform so would like to get hold of one of these (it's cheaper than the G1 Dev phone from Google!).

However, I'm not at all keen with the modifications HTC have done to the UI - it looks like it might be a bit like touch Flo which IMO was a mess and a loosely tacked on front end to another OS (it looked cool but things like reading your e-mail were far more difficult than they should have been).

HTC's front ends always strike me as unnecessary bling that don't really improve the overrall user experience.

One final thing - I think the navigation ball is an awesome feature on the android phones as is the support for MicroSD (I can't see how anyone can think that's anything but a good thing) but I wish they'd lose the chin! :D
 
According to expansys, it's out on the 6th July and is £399 SIM free.

I personally can't decide on whether I like it or not. I like Android, having played with a friend's G1 and am considering developing for the platform so would like to get hold of one of these (it's cheaper than the G1 Dev phone from Google!).

However, I'm not at all keen with the modifications HTC have done to the UI - it looks like it might be a bit like touch Flo which IMO was a mess and a loosely tacked on front end to another OS (it looked cool but things like reading your e-mail were far more difficult than they should have been).

HTC's front ends always strike me as unnecessary bling that don't really improve the overrall user experience.

One final thing - I think the navigation ball is an awesome feature on the android phones as is the support for MicroSD (I can't see how anyone can think that's anything but a good thing) but I wish they'd lose the chin! :D

seriously, when i first saw the phone, i was pretty excited, and then i saw that chin of doom. and i just thought wtf :confused:

if i haven't gotten the 3GS by the release date of the HTC Hero, i think i'll buy the hero and give it a nice test run and post about it.
 
it says that it only comes with the handset. what is it normally supposed to come with then?

I think "handset only" is their way of saying "sim free" - IE. you get the handset without a contract.

It will still come with the boxed accessories - headphones, 2gb microsd card.

According to expansys, it's out on the 6th July and is £399 SIM free.

I personally can't decide on whether I like it or not. I like Android, having played with a friend's G1 and am considering developing for the platform so would like to get hold of one of these (it's cheaper than the G1 Dev phone from Google!).

However, I'm not at all keen with the modifications HTC have done to the UI - it looks like it might be a bit like touch Flo which IMO was a mess and a loosely tacked on front end to another OS (it looked cool but things like reading your e-mail were far more difficult than they should have been).

HTC's front ends always strike me as unnecessary bling that don't really improve the overrall user experience.

One final thing - I think the navigation ball is an awesome feature on the android phones as is the support for MicroSD (I can't see how anyone can think that's anything but a good thing) but I wish they'd lose the chin! :D

Everything I normally use in the phone is one or two taps away.

I'm not sure how difficult e-mail will be as there aren't any in-depth demo videos of that yet, fingers crossed it's as easy to use as the rest of the phone :D
 
There are many things wrong with the iPhone UI and I think the Hero fixes that. I just wish the hero had a physical keyboard. What the heck is up with the 100% touchscreen phones now-a-days? Nobody likes to type using actual keyboards? It's much easier, faster and convenient...

The thing about physical keyboards is that when they are in portrait like the palm or the BBs, the keys are pretty small. If the physical keyboard is in landscape like the G1, it limits what you can do with one hand. You cant really have both like you can with touch screen keyboards...
 
The thing about physical keyboards is the in they are portrait like the palm or the BBs, the keys are pretty small. If the physical keyboard is in landscape like the G1, it limits what you can do with one hand. You cant really have both like you can with touch screen keyboards...

unless if you had a flip touch screen phone, which would be pretty cool. there was another thread on macrumors about the idea behind a physical keyboard add-on to the iphone.

oh well, touch screen keyboard works just fine for me.
 
I just wish the hero had a physical keyboard. What the heck is up with the 100% touchscreen phones now-a-days? Nobody likes to type using actual keyboards? It's much easier, faster and convenient...

Virtual keyboards are soooo much faster and easier than physical keyboards. I honestly wonder if the people who think otherwise have actually spent a reasonable amount of time with both (I have both a bb and an iphone). Isn't it kinda obvious that pressing keys is going to be harder than just touching them? The only problem with virtual keyboards is that they're *so* easy that you end up mistyping. Fortunately, the iphone has scary-good error correction, so I almost never have to go back and manually fix errors. If a phone only had virtual keys and worse error correction I could see how that would be a problem.

Anyway, I'll make a note to add the hero to the list of phones better than the iphone, right next to the instinct, storm, G1, and Pre.

:D
 
Nice, but the iPhone is Nicer

I like HTC hardware. I just replaced one, with the iPhone 3G S/32gig (after bitching about Apple and turn-by-turn for ages.)

I looked at Android, and while it's way, way better than WM6.5, I like the iPhone OS more.

The Home screen is similar to other HTC home screens, I am used to it, and I like it. But, after having used the Touch Flo screen for over a year, I find the iPhone better for everyday use.

One thing about the camera: my HTC had a higher pixel count than my wife's 1st gen iPhone, but the photos taken with the iPhone were sort of usable, while the photos taken with the HTC just sucked.

Finally, the screen: For me, the bigger the better. I just got OrbLive, which allows me to stream both Live TV and all my media files (including mkvs, audio(wmal) and photos) from my MCE setup at home. This thing rocks, and 0.3" can make a difference, IMO.

So, the iPhone wins :)
 
Virtual keyboards are soooo much faster and easier than physical keyboards. I honestly wonder if the people who think otherwise have actually spent a reasonable amount of time with both (I have both a bb and an iphone). Isn't it kinda obvious that pressing keys is going to be harder than just touching them? The only problem with virtual keyboards is that they're *so* easy that you end up mistyping. Fortunately, the iphone has scary-good error correction, so I almost never have to go back and manually fix errors. If a phone only had virtual keys and worse error correction I could see how that would be a problem.

Anyway, I'll make a note to add the hero to the list of phones better than the iphone, right next to the instinct, storm, G1, and Pre.

:D

I personally find physical keyboards faster, but I prefer virtual ones with haptic feedback. I can type without looking at a physical keyboard, and for some reason I just know when I've mis-keyed.. however, my typing speed isn't that much slower with virtual ones, so the improvement in design is worth it.
 
I like HTC hardware. I just replaced one, with the iPhone 3G S/32gig (after bitching about Apple and turn-by-turn for ages.)

I looked at Android, and while it's way, way better than WM6.5, I like the iPhone OS more.

The Home screen is similar to other HTC home screens, I am used to it, and I like it. But, after having used the Touch Flo screen for over a year, I find the iPhone better for everyday use.

One thing about the camera: my HTC had a higher pixel count than my wife's 1st gen iPhone, but the photos taken with the iPhone were sort of usable, while the photos taken with the HTC just sucked.

Finally, the screen: For me, the bigger the better. I just got OrbLive, which allows me to stream both Live TV and all my media files (including mkvs, audio(wmal) and photos) from my MCE setup at home. This thing rocks, and 0.3" can make a difference, IMO.

So, the iPhone wins :)

Can't really argue with that! MP count doesn't say much about photo quality, so I guess we'll just have to wait and see if the pictures it takes are as good as the iPhone's.
 
I will admit that looks like a beautiful phone. Nice UI, uglyish phone that is. I definitely preferred some parts of the iPhone UI, such as pictures, but it was nice. However, the iPhone definitely looked more simple to use, which is what Apple is going for.

Shame the phone won't touch the iPhone just because of the monopoly it has.

Slaughters Palm Pre, imo.

I still prefer the iPhone. The UI is a nice, fresh one with some cool innovations, but it's too black (couldn't look at that all day without feeling sad). I'd love some iPhone widgets or some new UI changes.
 
Competition is great, but the problem is that while other phones seem to learn from iPhone as much as possible, iPhone doesn't seem to learn from other phones, at least not fast enough. Steve Jobs' ego is just too big.
 
Virtual keyboards are soooo much faster and easier than physical keyboards. I honestly wonder if the people who think otherwise have actually spent a reasonable amount of time with both (I have both a bb and an iphone). Isn't it kinda obvious that pressing keys is going to be harder than just touching them? The only problem with virtual keyboards is that they're *so* easy that you end up mistyping. Fortunately, the iphone has scary-good error correction, so I almost never have to go back and manually fix errors. If a phone only had virtual keys and worse error correction I could see how that would be a problem.

Anyway, I'll make a note to add the hero to the list of phones better than the iphone, right next to the instinct, storm, G1, and Pre.

:D
Really, though. And even more, those nasty physical keyboard phones (especially slide-outs) make the phones nasty thick.
 
I will admit that looks like a beautiful phone. Nice UI, uglyish phone that is. I definitely preferred some parts of the iPhone UI, such as pictures, but it was nice. However, the iPhone definitely looked more simple to use, which is what Apple is going for.

Shame the phone won't touch the iPhone just because of the monopoly it has.

Slaughters Palm Pre, imo.

I still prefer the iPhone. The UI is a nice, fresh one with some cool innovations, but it's too black (couldn't look at that all day without feeling sad). I'd love some iPhone widgets or some new UI changes.

You can change the wallpaper and stick a few widgets on it, should be less black :)
 
Well this is interesting. Anyone have a G1 or Magic and willing to try it out?

Yep. Flash is the one thing, that bothers me about the iPhone. There are so many Flash sites, which are not viewable on the iPhone (granted, the other platforms are generally only partially successful.)

But Flash is here to stay, and Apple needs to get with the program.
 
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