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Nope. I never claimed Apple did it first. In fact Apple hardly done anything first.

Bitter fact is things are become more popular after Apple did it. Lots of them are.

  • Retina Display .. yeah it wasn't popular until iPhone 4 did it. Now everybody follow suit and race to put anything larger than "326 ppi" number on their display.
  • Smartwatch. Just because it's rumored Apple wants to do it, Samsung gets burned and do it in months. Look at the Gear. $200 POS watch I'd rather spend it on a Tag Heuer instead.
  • 64bit ARM, as gimmicky as it may sounds is all of so sudden become a hot topic. Samsung is one of the crawlers. Just because 64 is bigger than 32 then it looks good on paper.
  • Touch ID, yes Moto did it first on the phone. But no one cared until 5S happened, no?
    It's a frenzy hot topic right now. So HTC is doing it but in totally wrong way. That deserves a laugh at best.

I do think that is the best way to put a finger scanner when you have a 5.9" screen phone...If they will use the same location as your lovely iPhone 5S you may be using two hands to activate your finger scanner...one hand to hold the phone and one to activate your finger sensor.
But what deserves a good laugh is YOUR 4" INCH SMALL SCREEN IPHONE, BECAUSE NEXT YEAR APPLE WILL BE THE ONLY COMPANY IN THE WORLD MAKING THE SAME 4" SMARTPHONE...:mad:

GOOD JOB HTC ONE MAX...I do like it.
 
Your saying that it wasn't possible to cut a square in the back of the phone and stick a fingerprint sensor in it. In the amount of time since the I5's release.

So you think adding a fingerprint scanner is as simple as throwing one on at the last minute?
 
I do think that is the best way to put a finger scanner when you have a 5.9" screen phone...If they will use the same location as your lovely iPhone 5S you may be using two hands to activate your finger scanner...one hand to hold the phone and one to activate your finger sensor.
But what deserves a good laugh is YOUR 4" INCH SMALL SCREEN IPHONE, BECAUSE NEXT YEAR APPLE WILL BE THE ONLY COMPANY IN THE WORLD MAKING THE SAME 4" SMARTPHONE...:mad:

GOOD JOB HTC ONE MAX...I do like it.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is what a paid internet shill looks like.
 
I would like to point out that you also have to wake the iPhone before using the scanner, making that part of the argument rather moot.

(But I must quote!!)

Yes, I understand what you are saying, one still must turn on the iPhone for the FPS to function.

The PocketLint quote says it best:
PocketLint said:
Much as we hate to say it, the fingerprint scanner on the iPhone 5S is much better when it comes to unlocking: you press the button, it scans, and you're in. It's one process.

Effectively, it is still a one step effort, even though 2 actions happen, turning on the phone, then scanning the finger.


Yes, you are completely right, but it also is a mute point to using it.
This is, obviously the power of Apple, simplifying the operation but not the control (well, sometimes they do simplify too much :rolleyes: )

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I do think that is the best way to put a finger scanner when you have a 5.9" screen phone....

Does HTC Max come with a microfiber cloth to clean the camera lens???

It's probably a $15 accessory.
 
Yes, you are completely right, but it also is a mute point to using it.
This is, obviously the power of Apple, simplifying the operation but not the control (well, sometimes they do simplify too much :rolleyes: )

*Moot point.

Anyways, the point is, unlocking the device is one simple step (barely longer than on its predecessor) compared to a process that it is on the Max.

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I agree.

Anyone who would dare come here and not like what Apple provides must be a paid shill. Anything else is impossible. /s

Not the point. I'd like you to look at his erratic sentence structure and downright repetition of grammatically incorrect phrases.

Good job htc, I do like the HTC One Max :)

And then ~25 minutes later.

GOOD JOB HTC ONE MAX...I do like it.

He doesn't even own one.
 
*Moot point.

Anyways, the point is, unlocking the device is one simple step (barely longer than on its predecessor) compared to a process that it is on the Max.

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Not the point. I'd like you to look at his erratic sentence structure and downright repetition of grammatically incorrect phrases.



And then ~25 minutes later.



He doesn't even own one.

And his points are still rather clear. He thinks 4" is too small, he thinks Apple will keep making 4" phones, and he thinks that putting the scanner where Apple did but on a 5.9" phone would be a horrible idea. None of these make him a paid shill, just a guy with an opinion.

Oh, and he thinks HTC did a good job with the One Max.

One more opinion.

Edit: If anything, you can say that he's an insecure Android user. He has to let everybody know how great the HTC One Max is because he is going to get one. And he's psyching himself up on the off chance that he doesn't like it.
 
Okay.... I own an HTC One, and there are NOT any physical home buttons, or buttons of any sort on the front of the phone. In order for HTC to use what many seem to consider the best location, HTC would have to change the clean front design, and add a physical button/scanner window to act as a scanner. That space is better used for their front facing speakers (which The Verge still loves), and screen size. That would seem to be a step backward IMO.

A much better implementation for Touch ID and other fingerprint scanners would be on the screen itself. I'm a consumer, not an engineer, so I'll leave that to someone else. As I stated earlier in this thread, some people think it's time for Apple's physical home button to go, even though it's not nearly as awful as the protruding button Samsung uses. Touch ID gives the home button a purpose for 2013-2014, but it takes up a lot of space on the front of the phone. HTC's One has two capacitive buttons on the front that I have not hit once by accident in the past 3 weeks that I've owned it. I was constantly hitting the Note 8.0's capacitive buttons accidentally, and that was one of many reasons why I returned it after a couple of weeks.

Point is, none of this designs is perfect. There is room for improvement all around, and this brand loyalty/my favorite company can do no wrong is understandable, but a little silly. Lisa Gade reviewed the 5s, and noted that people sent her reasonable comments regarding tablets, but were absolutely "rabid" when discussing phones.
 
So you don't believe a scanner can be integrated onto a screen? I bet it's already been done somewhere, even if it's not available to civilians. Open your mind, and dream. That's what Steve would have wanted.... Seriously. ;)
 
Where have you been? There were also leaked images of the max suggesting a fingerprint sensor.

But whatever, I really don't care about phablets. It's just funny to see the fanboy outcry here about a device they'd never consider buying.
When did those leaks occur? Before Spring of 2012?
 
I'm using my phone 1-1.5 hours per day, and spend around 10 minutes per months talking by it. So I don't care how convenient to talk - it's a gimmick for smartphone. If you need to talk a lot - just buy feature phone. Then you could make fun of iPhone too as it a lot bigger than feature phone.

You use A PHONE 10 minutes PER MONTH to talk ???
Ok, you should be 15 years old or something like that .... :rolleyes:
 
This is what all you fandroids seem to get completly wrong!! First, first, first, first,first..... because in your mind is "first"

It matters who gets it RIGHT, not first!!
This.

Who cares if you are the first when your solution is crap ?
 
Android was first to have fingerprint scanner.

Android was first to 4 inch screen.

Android was first to have the drop down quick options (now pull up on iOS7)

I like iOS and Android, all these people with brand allegiance are missing out. That's why I have a Galaxy S4 and an iPad 3 - best of both worlds.

No. Dumbphones and Windows CE devices had fingerprint scanners before Android Inc. was even bought by Google.

No. Windows CE devices had 4" screens. As well as pretty much anything between 11" down to 3". MagicCap and Apple's Newton Messagepads in the 1990s also had a range around 4"-7".

No. Apple's Newtons had those, as well as Windows Mobile. They were third party in most cases. Although the pull up menu design on iOS7 is very similar to the Apple's Newton app screen (brightness and sound were easy access there as part of the animated slide-up drawer)

Those who think Android has a lot of firsts are simply oblivious to a decade of handheld computing.
 
Who here claimed apple invented it? They didn't. But their implementation is better than the competition's (so far).

In case you missed it some here are claiming that HTC is copying Apple implying that that the scanner is an Apple idea.
 
*Moot point.

Anyways, the point is, unlocking the device is one simple step (barely longer than on its predecessor) compared to a process that it is on the Max.

Oh, shaddup. ;) :p (as in mute)
(damm spell checker picking the wrong word :eek:)

And yes, 1 step/process, which jrswizzle is picky about.
 
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So go ahead, tell me how Touch ID is innovative.

Touch ID is innovative because it's the simplest/quickest/most-accurate implementation of fingerprint unlocking available so far on a handheld device. It's simply Apple looking at what's been done over the last decade and saying, "you're all doing it wrong."

HP's iPaqs, LG's feature phones, Toshiba's feature phones, Motorola Napoleon Q9n, Motorola Atrix, HTC One Max, etc., all use a bar sensor which require that the user swipe their finger across the sensor to get a full reading before it can authenticate.

Typically, this means that you'll need to do something to wake the device first, and then take a finger, and then swipe it across the sensor. Usually, these will be two actions in relatively different places on the phone.

It also means that as you swipe the finger, the amount of pressure you apply won't be consistent, and therefore can deform the reading inconsistently, resulting in read errors.

However in the case of the Atrix, the power button is part of the sensor, like the iPhone 5s. So you can unlock by pressing the sensor once, and then swiping. The problem is that people are tempted to press to unlock and swipe at the same time. This doesn't work well because the force uses to press the button isn't the same amount of force used throughout the scan. Therefore, it makes it even harder to read a fingerprint consistently. The reviews on the Atrix's fingerprint sensor have been overall negative, as owners in this forum have mentioned. One of my friends had one too. While he thought it was novel, did not continue to use it.

The iPhone 5s solves all these problems by letting the user combine both actions into one (wake and scan) and solves the accuracy problem by using a concave sensor that reads the whole finger at once. Pressure distortion is less of an issue as it applies evenly to the entire surface of the finger. Additionally, it can also read fingerprints from any orientation.
 
I do think that is the best way to put a finger scanner when you have a 5.9" screen phone...If they will use the same location as your lovely iPhone 5S you may be using two hands to activate your finger scanner...one hand to hold the phone and one to activate your finger sensor.
But what deserves a good laugh is YOUR 4" INCH SMALL SCREEN IPHONE, BECAUSE NEXT YEAR APPLE WILL BE THE ONLY COMPANY IN THE WORLD MAKING THE SAME 4" SMARTPHONE...:mad:

GOOD JOB HTC ONE MAX...I do like it.

I don't think I would ever want a phone that requires both hands to use.

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So go ahead, tell me how Touch ID is innovative.

It's implemented in a way such that people will actually use it every day.

That cannot be said for any previous attempt at putting a fingerprint scanner on a mobile device.
 
Touch ID is innovative because it's the simplest/quickest/most-accurate implementation of fingerprint unlocking available so far on a handheld device. It's simply Apple looking at what's been done over the last decade and saying, "you're all doing it wrong."

HP's iPaqs, LG's feature phones, Toshiba's feature phones, Motorola Napoleon Q9n, Motorola Atrix, HTC One Max, etc., all use a bar sensor which require that the user swipe their finger across the sensor to get a full reading before it can authenticate.

Typically, this means that you'll need to do something to wake the device first, and then take a finger, and then swipe it across the sensor. Usually, these will be two actions in relatively different places on the phone.

It also means that as you swipe the finger, the amount of pressure you apply won't be consistent, and therefore can deform the reading inconsistently, resulting in read errors.

However in the case of the Atrix, the power button is part of the sensor, like the iPhone 5s. So you can unlock by pressing the sensor once, and then swiping. The problem is that people are tempted to press to unlock and swipe at the same time. This doesn't work well because the force uses to press the button isn't the same amount of force used throughout the scan. Therefore, it makes it even harder to read a fingerprint consistently. The reviews on the Atrix's fingerprint sensor have been overall negative, as owners in this forum have mentioned. One of my friends had one too. While he thought it was novel, did not continue to use it.

The iPhone 5s solves all these problems by letting the user combine both actions into one (wake and scan) and solves the accuracy problem by using a concave sensor that reads the whole finger at once. Pressure distortion is less of an issue as it applies evenly to the entire surface of the finger. Additionally, it can also read fingerprints from any orientation.

That's a good explanation.

I don't think I would ever want a phone that requires both hands to use.

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It's implemented in a way such that people will actually use it every day.

That cannot be said for any previous attempt at putting a fingerprint scanner on a mobile device.

So innovation now means "people use it more"?
 
The iPhone 5s solves all these problems by letting the user combine both actions into one (wake and scan) and solves the accuracy problem by using a concave sensor that reads the whole finger at once.

Overall great explanation!

However, I thought the sensor and Home button were flat.

(It'd be extra cost to polish synthetic sapphire slices into another shape.)
 
Overall great explanation!

However, I thought the sensor and Home button were flat.

(It'd be extra cost to polish synthetic sapphire slices into another shape.)

You're probably right! I assumed it was a concave as the previous phones were, but I honestly have never seen a 5S in person.

For accuracy, the home button would ideally be concave to conform to the finger surface better. But if it's an extreme pain to shape it so, I could see them going with flat. It'll be less accurate than concave, but still better than the bar sensor.

(Edit: Looking at a close up at apple.com and ifixit.com, yup, it looks flat)
 
My wife and I always joke about this. "That person is holding an iPad to their face." I truly believe an android phone will be THAT big in the future.

For Samsung, the future is here!

(yes, that is a phone)
 

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