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HTC Responds to Apple Patent Lawsuit
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Example: posting a comment like this on MacRumors is called trolling (since you are apparently confused by the meaning of the term).
I don't think so. Look at all the negative votes on MACrumors. (Let alone the opinion outside the Mac community)
Sales can climb fast, but they can drop even faster.
Um, yeah, maybe I'm wrong here, but hasn't Apple also been around for decades?
Wow. What color is the sky on your planet?
Apple v Nokia was a countersuit. Nokia sued Apple and Apple countered. No knee-jerk reaction there.
Apple v. Shenzen... was so obvious that Apple HAD to sue them or everyone on the planet would have been making iPad clones.
I don't know about Apple v. Cisco, but in any event, you haven't demonstrated that Apple is in a 'fire now, damage control later' mode on IP. You've expressed an opinion and failed to provide even the tiniest shred of evidence to back it up.
I don't think you have the right to complain about trolling with that highly childish avatar and signature of yours.
I don't think you have the right to complain about trolling with that highly childish avatar and signature of yours.
Bagging on Microsoft on a Mac users' website is hardly what I'd call trolling.
Go to Engadget (or anywhere else on the Web, really) if you want Microsoft lovin'.
Originally Posted by Mattie Num Nums
Companies have portfolios that span decades.
Um, yeah, maybe I'm wrong here, but hasn't Apple also been around for decades?
iPhone was released June 2007, hardly a decade.
Google is probably bankrolling HTC through some back end measures by nature of the "Proxy War" against Android OS, by Apple going after HTC.
Sooner or later, the question regarding whether the Android OS did or did not violate the iPhone OS has to be answered. It might as well be sooner and Google doesn't have to worry about having its name as the primary when dealing with the issue because the case is against HTC and HTC doesn't have to worry about all it available cash being used now that it has DEEP POCKETS!
Just a thought...
Get over it brother. It's just a comment and clearly you could have at least shown some respect by making an intelligent comment an the other parts of my post. Besides, you just finished wasting your time explaining how Engadget wasn't good enough to be considered an MS forum, then post how it is just to waste even more time flaming someone else.
You are usually better than this Sol.
No joke, you usually have better things to say.
Get over it brother. It's just a comment and clearly you could have at least shown some respect by making an intelligent comment an the other parts of my post. Besides, you just finished wasting your time explaining how Engadget wasn't good enough to be considered an MS forum, then post how it is just to waste even more time flaming someone else.
You are usually better than this Sol.
No joke, you usually have better things to say.
The troll card is the internet race card, it's getting old and tired.
It's hard to formulate an intelligent response to a comment that starts with the tired chestnut that Apple customers are mindless idiots.
True, and it takes away from the intelligent conversation that could happen. Sol usually debates and takes on points being made.
Then prove the points wrong, talk about how they have no weight or bring other points to the table THEN flame me for making a minor comment about Apple.
These horrible one-liners you have are beneath you bro.
Even this statement is mindless given that my last comment on that post was actually on topic and about the HTC and Google being competition for Apple, save the fact that they don't have the loyal fans.
Lawyer's always want to "sound" like they are coming from moral high ground, but this isn't primarily about stealing IP. The problem is that if you create anything you have probably just violated dozens of patents that you didn't know about. Most innovative companies therefore don't sue unless they have another disagreement and negotiations are not going well. In this case, I think Apple is more concerned about things that are not patented. Like their overall strategy being copied and or a dispute with Google. This is a proxy fight. I'm sure whatever is going on, HTC knows perfectly well what it is and are apparently unwilling to come to an agreement.
Here is my take on this ...
It took Google lawyers that long to create a response for the HTC CEO. I think we should not be surprised that Google will probably use their lawyers and money to back HTC on this fight. This reminds me of when Google bought Youtube, Google knew if Youtube did not get any backing then video on the Internet would not have become what it is today. If HTC loses, this could be a serious blow to smart phones, so I believe Google will be very involved with this case. Now with that said, I wonder how long before phone manufacturers start selling phones with no OS? If HTC just sold the Nexus One hardware, Apple would have no beef with HTC. A customer of HTC could then go to Google and download Android to install on their new phone. Does Google charge money for Android? Is Android open source? What are the laws for open source OS's that potentially violate IP of other companies?
It took Google lawyers that long to create a response for the HTC CEO. I think we should not be surprised that Google will probably use their lawyers and money to back HTC on this fight. This reminds me of when Google bought Youtube, Google knew if Youtube did not get any backing then video on the Internet would not have become what it is today. If HTC loses, this could be a serious blow to smart phones, so I believe Google will be very involved with this case. Now with that said, I wonder how long before phone manufacturers start selling phones with no OS? If HTC just sold the Nexus One hardware, Apple would have no beef with HTC. A customer of HTC could then go to Google and download Android to install on their new phone. Does Google charge money for Android? Is Android open source? What are the laws for open source OS's that potentially violate IP of other companies?
We need a more modern forum so trolls can be down ranked. Their really are not too many on these Apple boards though, so it could be worse.
No, let alone have an opinion that differs from certain members. It's even worse in the PSRI forums.
Apple had no beef with HTC when every device they made had Windows Mobile on it. At that time they were horrible devices ONLY because of the OS.
And I agree about the Youtube bit as well. I remember the day it was announced that Google bought them, becoming the largest online video distributor.
I don't doubt that HTC and Google got a good deal of inspiration from the iPhone UI, but Apple should be able to just keep it moving and compete. So what that Google and HTC have created an ecosystem that has viable competition with the iPhone, bring the next big thing to the table Apple.
p.s. that question in the green is a good one.
I don't even know where to start with this. It sounds like such a troll comment that I feel guilty feeding it.
It's called 3GS for a reason > Speed. They increased the performance. In some cases, the user gets twice the performance.
They also gave it a better camera... one with a higher resolution and the ability to shoot Widescreen video. That video, by the way, can be trimmed down by the user and shared in a variety of ways: email, MMS, MobileMe or the ever-popular YouTube.
Then there's this little called Voice Control: to either Make a Call or Play Music. Brilliant. And this they had to do in over 20 languages. Cool stuff.
Added support for 7.2 Mbps HSDPA downloading...
From wikipedia: ... support for 7.2 Mbps HSDPA downloading (but remains limited to 384 Kbps uploading as Apple has not implemented the HSPA protocol).
The Innovation that Apple brought WAS the iPhone -- Apple is not the type of company to try and reinvent their products every time the product gets a refresh. There is an Evolution to them, not a Revolution. However, they consistently deliver better and better goods each and every year. Other companies would stagnate if they had a hit. Not Apple, they continue to improve consistantly to continue to innovate even when they really don't need to.
If Apple thought like you, they would've just stolen the Multi-Touch idea from FINGERWORKS and used it where they chose, you know, since it's the "logical step in touch input". But they didn't -- they did this weird thing where they could've bought the rights to use Multi-Touch in their products (expensive) or they could've bought the company to use Multi-Touch in their products (Über expensive) --> which is what they did.
So let's get this straight -- HTC has the "moral high ground" because when they needed Multi-Touch they just took it from Apple --- when Apple needed Multi-Touch, they bought the company that owned the technology. Hmmmm.....? I'm a little confused, bub.
Did they pay Apple a licensing fee? Did HTC buy Apple? Did HTC ask Pretty Please with Sugar on Top? No, no and hell no! They simply took. But Apple is the bastard for suing HTC?
You are making all kinds of sense today.
Perhaps the only part of your comment I disagreed with was the trollish intro?
Um yeah, of course. It's a weak straw man to imply that one can't say anything critical of Apple and not be a troll. There is plenty of good debate on this site. (And there is plenty of trolling.)
I agree. Innovation is not only good - is it absolutely necessary. At the same time all parties need to develop and protect their intellectual property.
What Windows forums? Windows is only popular because it gave so many IT jobs to people. Are there forums where they get together and say, "I laughed at 10 idiot users today." "Oh, yeah? I laughed at 20!"
So one guy invents something and everyone else just copies it causing the inventor to make much less money on their invention, thus stifling invention and promoting simple copycatting.
Obviously these things are significantly more complex than that, but your statement indicates you would be in favor of such a world where copycats were rewarded more than inventors.
One case I will allow HTC to violate Apple patents
If HTC can offer concrete evidence its engineers have been developing features violating Apple patents before the first iPhone release and swear it had no knowledge of iPhone features then I will support HTC in the name of competition.
If HTC can offer concrete evidence its engineers have been developing features violating Apple patents before the first iPhone release and swear it had no knowledge of iPhone features then I will support HTC in the name of competition.
There is nothing wrong with controversy or opinion. Generally, baseless comments that attack members of a community are not appreciated though. Saying that Apple users are mindless sheep on an Apple board is trolling. If you don't want people to call you out for being a troll when you have a few non-troll comments, then don't troll. The "RDF field" is really total BS. We use Apple products because Apple appeals to our sense of reason not because our reality is distorted.