Huawei Continues to Catch Apple, But Still Fighting to Gain Popularity in United States

[Keane16]

True. But you can get it from Huawei for $400 less than Apple.

Eventually people will decide that a US$200 Android phone will be good enough to check Facebook and realize they can spend the other US$650 that Apple would charge on other things.

People have been trotting that argument out for years when discussing Apple. First the Mac then the iPod (which was never really dethroned by a competitor and was cannibalised by Apple themselves with the iPhone). Most of Apple's product lines have\had way cheaper alternatives, but still do incredibly well for Apple. Just like the iPhone, which had record sales last quarter.

The bottom end is where the volume is in most markets - cars, fridges, watches etc. but for those that can afford it they can look beyond just price.

The reason I have slowly moved from Windows, Linux, Atari, Amiga, Android to Apple at home over the last few decades is more than just what the 1 device can do on paper. It's the entire ecosystem:

- Privacy
- Security
- Ongoing device updates
- Very little "maintenance" (reinstalls, AV, firewalls etc. etc.)
- Synergy, a big one for me, the way my watch, phone, tablet, laptop and media streramer all sync with each other and stay updated through iCloud
- In Store Support
- Resale value/lifetime cost of ownership (which thanks to the high resale value of Apple gear helps mitigate the steep entry level price)

For me Apple don't need to be the cheapest, they just need to keep providing me with an experience that I can't buy from anyone else and I'll continue to use them.

"Eventually people will decide that a US$200 Android phone will be good enough"

A lot of those people have already decided. iPhones have mostly sat around 15-17.5% market share for the last 7 to 8 years. Apple have never had a large market share with the iPhone. Symbian dominated then Android took over.

For the last quarter of 2016, "352 million devices sold ran Android (81.7 percent) and 77 million ran iOS (17.9 percent)":

https://www.theverge.com/2017/2/16/14634656/android-ios-market-share-blackberry-2016

 

[eyoungren]

I would love to hear how you've done this with Fluid.

I'm now googling for the PPC build of Dropbox.

I found it several years ago. It was hidden somewhere on their site I think (one of their original ones) and it's long since disappeared.

It's a beta build, 0.9.1, and it's the last beta that was universal. When they built the next one and when they released it was Intel only.

Here you go: https://www.dropbox.com/s/bcqfvhmkshrs8ux/Fluid.app.zip?dl=0

What you do is create a Fluid app for the IP address and port that Remote Messages is using. Then you have an app that deals solely with that.

BTW, TenFourFox makes TenFourBox, which is like Fluid, but Mozilla based. Does the same type of thing.

 

[panleya]

OOOOHH, posts like that really wind me up. All races/countries have been inventing profound stuff for years. Your small view of the world makes you say things like that.
So what did America steal? I could get into that but let’s just say that it would turn the whole thread PRSI in a big way.

This isn't a race thing you nimrod. This is about fair trade, and would apply to ANY country that ignores intellectual property laws. Since the government won't stand up for American companies and inventors, we have to do it ourselves. Don't send your products or services to countries that allow outright theft and then turn around and sell their knock offs here. That's stealing, pure and simple.

 

[H2SO4]

This isn't a race thing you nimrod. This is about fair trade, and would apply to ANY country that ignores intellectual property laws. Since the government won't stand up for American companies and inventors, we have to do it ourselves. Don't send your products or services to countries that allow outright theft and then turn around and sell their knock offs here. That's stealing, pure and simple.

Pipe down. The west are excellent at stealing. They usually do it with land, civilisation and precious artefacts.

 

[mib1800]

This isn't a race thing you nimrod. This is about fair trade, and would apply to ANY country that ignores intellectual property laws. Since the government won't stand up for American companies and inventors, we have to do it ourselves. Don't send your products or services to countries that allow outright theft and then turn around and sell their knock offs here. That's stealing, pure and simple.

That's quite a simplistic point of view. Maybe you should ask why the US govt didnt stop Apple from exploiting cheap labor (incl. child labor) by making phones in China. You should apply your "pure and simple" logic that Apple should pay the same pay rate as in US otherwise it is just stealing cheap labor.

btw: how is any China phone a knock-off? I can bet anything with you that the whole of the innards and software of the phone is entirely different from iphone.

 

[I7guy]

That's quite a simplistic point of view. Maybe you should ask why the US govt didnt stop Apple from exploiting cheap labor (incl. child labor) by making phones in China. You should apply your "pure and simple" logic that Apple should pay the same pay rate as in US otherwise it is just stealing cheap labor.

btw: how is any China phone a knock-off? I can bet anything with you that the whole of the innards and software of the phone is entirely different from iphone.

Actually from what is published, workers at the Foxconn facilty make more than the prevailing wage of comparable jobs.

So what is the US govt supposed to stop?

 

[mib1800]

Actually from what is published, workers at the Foxconn facilty make more than the prevailing wage of comparable jobs.

So what is the US govt supposed to stop?

How about stopping Apple from stealing american jobs?

 

[I7guy]

How about stopping Apple from stealing american jobs?

Well being realistic, offshore manufacturing, is an issue for the US and not Apple specific. Don't understand why this is being made into an Apple only issue.

 

[kdarling]

Actually from what is published, workers at the Foxconn facilty make more than the prevailing wage of comparable jobs.

Which is why Apple has been moving a lot of their production to multiple other major assembly companies with lower wages and less publicity about their workers' conditions.

Well being realistic, offshore manufacturing, is an issue for the US and not Apple specific. Don't understand why this is being made into an Apple only issue.

It's not, but this is an Apple forum, so they get top billing here.

Motorola custom built US ordered Moto X phones in a Dallas plant, and IIRC said it only cost about ten bucks more than doing it offshore.

 

[I7guy]

Which is why Apple has been moving a lot of their production to multiple other major assembly companies with lower wages and less publicity about their workers' conditions.


It's not, but this is an Apple forum, so they get top billing here.

Motorola custom built US ordered Moto X phones in a Dallas plant, and IIRC said it only cost about ten bucks more than doing it offshore.

https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/

Who is assembling apple phones in any other volume other than Foxconn? Apple says Foxconn is their top partner? That's different than their manufacturing partners such as TSMC, who we don't know as much about for example.

As far as producing phones in the US, it seems to me to apply the same scale to apple, $10 more per phone, other than the billions it would take make that happen, if I were Tim Cook it would be a no-brainer. But it probably isn't a "no-brainer" at all.

 

[kdarling]

Who is assembling apple phones in any other volume other than Foxconn?

Pegatron for one. Plus at least two others that Qualcomm is suing over not paying royalties.

Foxconn makes the news, but conditions are still bad at the other iPhone/iPad factories people rarely hear about. e.g.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-a-new-report-claims/?utm_term=.e58a3c6f5001

As far as producing phones in the US, it seems to me to apply the same scale to apple, $10 more per phone, other than the billions it would take make that happen, if I were Tim Cook it would be a no-brainer. But it probably isn't a "no-brainer" at all.

It doesn't take much money to set up assembly in America. There are already such companies available for contract work, and heck Foxconn is reportedly thinking of coming here too.

People have been brainwashed by Cook's BS about needing thousands of industrial engineers etc. Maybe in China that's necessary, but not here.

 

[I7guy]

Pegatron for one. Plus at least two others that Qualcomm is suing over not paying royalties.

Foxconn makes the news, but conditions are still bad at the other iPhone/iPad factories people rarely hear about. e.g.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-a-new-report-claims/?utm_term=.e58a3c6f5001



It doesn't take much money to set up assembly in America. There are already such companies available for contract work, and heck Foxconn is reportedly thinking of coming here too.

People have been brainwashed by Cook's BS about needing thousands of industrial engineers etc. Maybe in China that's necessary, but not here.

That report/article is a (almost) year old and a lot can happen in a year and apple isn't their only customer, which is why I posted this: https://www.apple.com/supplier-responsibility/

As far as how much money it takes or not to setup assembly in the USA, obviously no one can the logistics involved and yes Foxconn has been invited to study the transition to US soil.

But since no one, except apple, can know what it takes to do, one can't really make an assessment about whether it is "BS" or not.