Huawei Unveils $2,600 Foldable 'Mate X' Smartphone to Rival Samsung's Galaxy Fold

[cmaier]

iOS is many things, but inefficient isn’t one of them.

Yeah I’m sure. iPhone blows away competition in every neutral controlled published test, and does so using less ram then the competition.
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Apple Watch was not an innovative product like iPad or iPhone, industry leading innovation, though it may be leading the sales. I have Airpod(minor innovation, true) and one side the battery is gone after using it for an year that too very sparingly...whereas Sony Bluetooth headset still working after 4 years of bit moderate use.

If you get to make up your own standards and declare iPad innovative but Apple Watch not innovative, there’s no point in discussing it.

 

[john123]

Spin it how you like but your argument is the one that's based on absolutely nothing what so ever. It's not even plausible in any way.

Well with Samsung and Huawei we'll see after the reviews come out (if we have common sense and don't just call their devices junk because we don't like anything smartphone related thta's not made by apple) but Apple definitely doesn't have anything compelling to show this year and I don't see this changing anytime soon.

He's not receptive to this, as the 20+ pages of this thread illustrated. He's decided it's junk and that no one needs it because he likes Apple products and he personally wouldn't want it, and he continues to masquerade his opinion as some sort of objective fact. It's emotional reasoning for reasons I don't understand.

 

[cardfan]

What makes you think people who buy these $2000+ phones are dumb?

Most people who buy these have financial security where $2000 means nothing to them. My millionaire uncle thinks nothing of treating my kids to $500 ice cream at some chic place in Manhattan, just to say he did it. He will buy the latest gadgets - and use them for a week to see how they are, then put them in a drawer never to be seen again if he doesn't find them useful. It's a different world for these people.

If you're making minimum wage or are a poor college student and buying one of these, then yes, I would think you're foolish with your money.

The same was said about those buying a gold apple watch. Who cares? We saw how that went. Apparently even uncle millionaire couldn't buy enough of those to sustain them..lol

I'm an early adopter for a lot of gadgets but foldables don't really excite me because...what you basically unfold to is a tablet. I don't really care about tablets. I get the kiddo a 200 dollar tablet to play silly iOS apps on. That's the extent of my tablet interest or those that run mobile OS's. Paying 2k, 2.6k? To unfold into a cheap 200 dollar tablet? I don't get it..

Samsung doesn't do much for me because they take an OS and butcher it. I don't mind android (it's fine really) but that's Google all the way. Wake me up when google does something in hardware, software, or services because I don't much care for an OEM like samsung who puts their crap (One UI? Touchwhiz? Cheesewhiz?) on it, forks the OS, and the mainstream idiots somehow call these things features and go goo goo at them instead of calling it what it is...crapware. Bloatware. It hurts any innovative hardware Samsung puts on there. Meanwhile those that buy windows PCs strive to have a clean install of windows without the crapware.

What could be exciting is a laptop in your pocket like a iOS/macOS hybrid running off an A chip way down the road.

 

[ROGmaster]

He's not receptive to this, as the 20+ pages of this thread illustrated. He's decided it's junk and that no one needs it because he likes Apple products and he personally wouldn't want it.

Yeah it's also amusing how he doesn't want to let it go.

It's emotional reasoning for reasons I don't understand.

I also noticed that although it was on a different occasion.

 

[Baymowe335]

I am an iPhone user. But Samsung phones are overall more value for your money if you compare Note 9 to iPhone XS. It a pretty large comment you made about samsung being a 'joke'.

Atleast they are pushing the future, and how does it affect you? If you don't like it, don't buy it. There is a margin of people (especially business) that would purchase a product like this. Just like people purchase iPhones, because they enjoy the experience and like the product.

Huawei ALREADY killed this niche product and both of them run Android.

Tell me why a Note is better value than an XS? You going to start listing things like expandable storage and a stylus? It runs Android...that’s the first strike.

 

[bbeagle]

Dumb may be a bit harsh, I admit, but I just don't know why anyone would spend $2,000 on a product with no real advantages to what we have today.

Just because it's new and different and because he can. He wants to have an opinion on the latest tech first-hand.

His wife will buy a $50,000 purse just because it's the latest fashion. She'll use it out in public maybe 5 times.

And it's a drop in the bucket to him. He told us his tax bill will go down this year (because of Trump's new tax policy) over $200,000. Then I look at my tax bill that went UP by $1,500. So, in essence he gets to buy 100 of these for 'free' and continue his lifestyle, while I have to pinch pennies more. Such is life between rich and middle class.

 

[john123]

Yeah it's also amusing how he doesn't want to let it go.

Yeah. In fairness, I refuse to either.

I find this mindset to be single most frustrating thing about the forums these days (and look at my avatar; I've been 'round here a loooooong time). It's the "what's best for me should be best for everyone else, so everyone else is wrong and needs to suck it up."

To go briefly on a tangent that's also relevant, I think some Apple users feel entitled to this view because it seems like the Steve Jobs product view. Except they are not the same thing.

Jobs had product vision. He thought about how users would use their devices. Benefits over features. Long-term over short-term. So yes, Jobs did impose a will onto the products and say that users would need to use Apple hardware and software in the prescribed ways, and he elected not to build support for things he didn't think had value or were the wrong way to do things.

But...he was Steve freakin' Jobs. The folks on here—even people like me who do or have done product for a living—aren't.

We live in a fast-paced, fragmented tech world, and different people have different needs. My needs aren't better or worse than the next person's. They're simply different. To think otherwise is arrogance, and worse, unjustified arrogance at that.

 

[AxiomaticRubric]

$2600.00 !?!

I’ll take a MacBook Pro please.

 

[Arlo Timetraveler]

Does every mobile manufacturer have to follow Apple?

A couple always take the one step to far to prove that they are better.

 

[john123]

Just because it's new and different and because he can. He wants to have an opinion on the latest tech first-hand.

His wife will buy a $50,000 purse just because it's the latest fashion. She'll use it out in public maybe 5 times.

And it's a drop in the bucket to him. He told us his tax bill will go down this year (because of Trump's new tax policy) over $200,000. Then I look at my tax bill that went UP by $1,500. So, in essence he gets to buy 100 of these for 'free' and continue his lifestyle, while I have to pinch pennies more. Such is life between rich and middle class.

If I were amenable to making the Android switch, I'd buy it too. And my tax bill went WAY WAY up this year.

It's not about being an early adopter or being rich (although certainly if you don't have enough disposable income, this isn't for you). It's about the value I would derive from the feature.
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$2600.00 !?!

I’ll take a MacBook Pro please.

Fortunately it isn't an either/or.

Over the course of a year, people spend money on all kinds of things. In the grand scheme of things, for a lot of people (I carefully didn't say "most"), $2600 just isn't that much.

 

[saboteur]

Well that sucks. Hahahaha

This is the big difference between Apple and its competitors. If an Apple product had a crease like that, all hell would break loose. But since it's an Huawey, expectations are so low (even at a 2000$ tag price) that no one complains.

 

[DNichter]

LoL your claim was they can get them from Samsung(and Samsung can't refuse them). That's what we were talking about.



Really?


So you are calling me a hypocrite based on something you assume I would say or do? LoL

Correct and nothing you have said has proven otherwise. We both have our opinions and that's that. No, I am calling the Android faithful hypocrites when it comes to the foldable screen crease considered totally fine, while if Apple had the same issue - no doubt it would be called junk. We may disagree on things often, but come on, we both know that is accurate.
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Just because it's new and different and because he can. He wants to have an opinion on the latest tech first-hand.

His wife will buy a $50,000 purse just because it's the latest fashion. She'll use it out in public maybe 5 times.

And it's a drop in the bucket to him. He told us his tax bill will go down this year (because of Trump's new tax policy) over $200,000. Then I look at my tax bill that went UP by $1,500. So, in essence he gets to buy 100 of these for 'free' and continue his lifestyle, while I have to pinch pennies more. Such is life between rich and middle class.

Maybe, but that $50,000 purse wouldn't have a glaring defect down the middle of it. If so, I would consider this hypothetical individual a dummy as well.

 

[amaze1499]

This makes way more sense than Samsung’s galaxy.

 

[BlargKing]

2600$ **** right off with that okay.

 

[Dethklok]

Insane price, but it looks 100x better

Folds the wrong way though. Needs to fold in to protect the screen.

 

[MartialEagle]

Look at the screen at 1:30 in the video

The crease is horrible looking.

 

[cmaier]

Folds the wrong way though. Needs to fold in to protect the screen.

I disagree. I gave up wanting to flip open phones just to use them back in the flip phone days.

 

[ROGmaster]

Correct and nothing you have said has proven otherwise. We both have our opinions and that's that.

You said:
Samsung is in no position to deny their largest customer(which is not even true when Samsung itself is its biggest costumer).

And backed it up with the childish:
Apple is the biggest company in the world(which is not even true) and has a lot of pull(which is a very questionable claim that doesn't prove anything).

Well the facts are Samsung will only make 1 million Galaxy Folds and Huawei's Mate X doesn't use a Samsung screen like you assumed so what I wrote pretty much shows how untrue your claims about Samsung not being able to refuse Apple are.
We both have our own opinions but yours is incorrect and unrealistic. That's what I showed.

No, I am calling the Android faithful hypocrites when it comes to the foldable screen crease considered totally fine, while if Apple had the same issue - no doubt it would be called junk. We may disagree on things often, but come on, we both know that is accurate.

No you made it clear that you are just calling me a hypocrite based on your assumption about why I would say in an hypothetical situation.

 

[DNichter]

You said:
Samsung is in no position to deny their largest customer(which is not even true when Samsung itself is its biggest costumer).

And backed it up with the childish:
Apple is the biggest company in the world(which is not even true) and has a lot of pull(which is a very questionable claim that doesn't prove anything).

Well the facts are Samsung will only make 1 million Galaxy Folds and Huawei's Mate X doesn't use a Samsung screen like you assumed so what I wrote pretty much shows how untrue your claims about Samsung not being able to refuse Apple are.
We both have our own opinions but yours is incorrect and unrealistic. That's what I showed.



No you made it clear that you are just calling me a hypocrite based on your assumption about why I would say in an hypothetical situation.

I am not sure you can consider yourself your biggest customer, but okay. I still stand by my position and there is still no proof that Samsung will only produce 1 million folds (only article I saw said they will produce more than 1 million). Even if Apple couldn't get foldable screens from Samsung (again, nothing proves they couldn't), they obviously could get them to release a product if they wanted to (probably not an Apple level though since those products would actually sell). In the end (I think this is where we started), it's a smart move by Apple to wait out this tech (choice or no choice, no proof either way) until it matures and is ready for prime time.

Okay, I guess your totally fine with a creased screen across both platforms then. We'll connect if the time comes. Time to move on from this conversation as we just don't agree.

 

[Ingster]

I must admit the technology is great as a starting point, but the screen at 1 min 30 showing those creases reminds me of a DVD case that's been opened far too often, eugh. But i can see where things are going so that's a plus!

 

[john123]

I still stand by my position and there is still no proof that Samsung will only produce 1 million folds (only article I saw said they will produce more than 1 million).

Mind boggling. This is as basic as business math gets, and yet you refuse to accept it. Amazing.

Just for everyone else out here, this is pretty straightforward:

1) Global smartphone sales approach 1.5 billion units annually.
2) We are talking about 2 of the top 3 global smartphone manufacturers which together comprise just over a third of all smartphone sales.
3) Via simple multiplication, that's 500 million units, give or take. (We don't need exact precision here.)
4) These are new flagship devices that are hyped and will get crazy amounts of marketing dollars.
5) Product decisions are based on projected demand, which emerges as a result of a lot of very expensive market research. Big companies don't make such decisions lightly, given the R&D and marketing costs.
6) DNichter finds the "million" threshold absurd, and yet for them not to sell 1MM units, you'd have to believe that these foldables would be less than one fifth of one percent of unit sales.



You don't need an MBA or a consulting background for this one. Not that I mind having both.

 

[fourthtunz]

No value? A phone that turns into a tablet. Office functions in your pocket, no value?

Value? For that kind of money you could have two separate units that do a better job.

 

[ROGmaster]

Mind boggling. This is as basic as business math gets, and yet you refuse to accept it. Amazing.

He surely doesn't "disappoint".

 

[john123]

Value? For that kind of money you could have two separate units that do a better job.

You're missing the point! A lot of people don't want "two separate units"! Many people would prefer a jack of all trades, even if it's master of none, for the convenience.

 

[fourthtunz]

Mind boggling. This is as basic as business math gets, and yet you refuse to accept it. Amazing.

Just for everyone else out here, this is pretty straightforward:

1) Global smartphone sales approach 1.5 billion units annually.
2) We are talking about 2 of the top 3 global smartphone manufacturers which together comprise just over a third of all smartphone sales.
3) Via simple multiplication, that's 500 million units, give or take. (We don't need exact precision here.)
4) These are new flagship devices that are hyped and will get crazy amounts of marketing dollars.
5) Product decisions are based on projected demand, which emerges as a result of a lot of very expensive market research. Big companies don't make such decisions lightly, given the R&D and marketing costs.
6) DNichter finds the "million" threshold absurd, and yet for them not to sell 1MM units, you'd have to believe that these foldables would be less than one fifth of one percent of unit sales.



You don't need an MBA or a consulting background for this one. Not that I mind having both.

And theres producing 1 million units and SELLING 1 million units. At 2k a pop?
Interesting horse race here!