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You're missing the point! A lot of people don't want "two separate units"! Many people would prefer a jack of all trades, even if it's master of none, for the convenience.
Oh, I get the point, I just don't Know if people, android people will pay 2k or more a pop..we'lll see
 
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I think that Huewei's definitely showcasing some impressive devices and innovation these days, but cannot get past the current behaviour of the company.

I'm not going to jump on the "SPYING ON US!!" rhetoric as we haven't actually seen the evidence of such. However, Huewei's corporate behaviour, violation of international law, and then how it's behaved Towards Canada and it's officials? Yeah, they can bugger out of my country.


Canada has been taking bids for building the 5g network. After Canada arrested the CEO on behalf of the USA, Huewei and china threatened Canada directly.
https://www.theguardian.com/technol...th-grave-consequences-if-huawei-cfo-not-freed

I fully support and endorse a full boycott of Huwei while they are going to use China's political might to try and threaten smaller countries to let them in.
 
And theres producing 1 million units and SELLING 1 million units. At 2k a pop?
Interesting horse race here!

1MM is just what Samsung is producing for initial inventory. But unlike the I, Robot Will Smith movie, manufacturers don't make stuff to have it sit in a warehouse permanently or to tear it down. And they'll build more with design changes next year too, and those will almost certainly still have some sort of crease or wrinkle (because of the physics and materials constraint).

So yeah, I feel really, really comfortable saying that there will be a 7-figure (or more) unit sales numbers for those "flawed compromise" foldables from Samsung and Huawei. Big manufacturers don't go to all this trouble and expense to ship 500K units.
 
Mind boggling. This is as basic as business math gets, and yet you refuse to accept it. Amazing.

Just for everyone else out here, this is pretty straightforward:

1) Global smartphone sales approach 1.5 billion units annually.
2) We are talking about 2 of the top 3 global smartphone manufacturers which together comprise just over a third of all smartphone sales.
3) Via simple multiplication, that's 500 million units, give or take. (We don't need exact precision here.)
4) These are new flagship devices that are hyped and will get crazy amounts of marketing dollars.
5) Product decisions are based on projected demand, which emerges as a result of a lot of very expensive market research. Big companies don't make such decisions lightly, given the R&D and marketing costs.
6) DNichter finds the "million" threshold absurd, and yet for them not to sell 1MM units, you'd have to believe that these foldables would be less than one fifth of one percent of unit sales.

:rolleyes::D:rolleyes::D

You don't need an MBA or a consulting background for this one. Not that I mind having both.

What's amazing is that you equate low/mid market sales numbers, that Samsung/Huawei dominate, to $2,000+ phones, which is uncharted territory. It's just math right, put out some junk products and millions will buy regardless of the price. Good thing you aren't a CEO.
 
1MM is just what Samsung is producing for initial inventory. But unlike the I, Robot Will Smith movie, manufacturers don't make stuff to have it sit in a warehouse permanently or to tear it down. And they'll build more with design changes next year too, and those will almost certainly still have some sort of crease or wrinkle (because of the physics and materials constraint).

So yeah, I feel really, really comfortable saying that there will be a 7-figure (or more) unit sales numbers for those "flawed compromise" foldables from Samsung and Huawei. Big manufacturers don't go to all this trouble and expense to ship 500K units.
I have no idea..so you're saying Samsung, will sell at least a million? I heard it here first!
 
Smart move by Apple not to release anything like this. Too many compromises, terrible materials, no real value to consumers, and a bad experience overall.

Yes, smart move not previewing foldable phone prototype, of which I'm sure Apple has plenty. I'd argue the technology isn't there just yet, but once it fits into Ive's skinny-category and has some (yet to be discovered) advantages you bet Apple will be ready.
 
Yes, smart move not previewing foldable phone prototype, of which I'm sure Apple has plenty. I'd argue the technology isn't there just yet, but once it fits into Ive's skinny-category and has some (yet to be discovered) advantages you bet Apple will be ready.

Totally agree. I think if there is a market and they can release a product without glaring compromises, Apple will invest. I don't think we are anywhere close to these products being valuable though. Being first isn't as smart of an investment as people on here think.
 
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I have no idea..so you're saying Samsung, will sell at least a million? I heard it here first!

In creased foldables? Yeah. Definitely not first here though.

What's amazing is that you equate low/mid market sales numbers, that Samsung/Huawei dominate, to $2,000+ phones, which is uncharted territory. It's just math right, put out some junk products and millions will buy regardless of the price. Good thing you aren't a CEO.

Actually, I am. Gee, you're wrong again. Color me shocked.
 
John, the board meeting started 10 mins ago... What in the world are you doing in there?
 
You have got to be kidding me.

That would be about as insane as posting my picture and location on my profile.

Here comes the "you can say anything on the internet!" response. :rolleyes:

Nope, I figured as much. I am sure your company is thriving though with the mentality that you can equate sales of $300-$500 phones with that of $2,000+ phones. It's just that simple.
 
Nope, I figured as much. I am sure your company is thriving though with the mentality that you can equate sales of $300-$500 phones with that of $2,000+ phones. It's just that simple.

It is indeed.

Tell you what, son. Put a reminder on your calendar for 1 year from today to come back to this thread. I've been doing forecasting a long time, and I'm really good at it. So let's go ahead and look at the data then. Sound like a plan?
 
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It is indeed.

Tell you what, son. Put a reminder on your calendar for 1 year from today to come back to this thread. I've been doing forecasting a long time, and I'm really good at it. So let's go ahead and look at the data then. Sound like a plan?

Have at it, kiddo.
 
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Your example doesn't really correlate. The XS Max doesn't have any obvious compromises like a crease down the middle of the screen. If this device wasn't full of compromises, I wouldn't necessarily balk at the price. Sure though, for examples sake - anyone would be better off buying a low end Android phone and tablet than spending money on one of these foldables.

Ehhhh...wrong :p
Horrendous notch...hideous camera bump
 

A fingerprint sensor is integrated into the power switch for biometric authentication purposes, and Huawei says that the Galaxy Fold features a 55W SuperCharge feature that lets the included 4,500mAh battery charge to 85 percent within 30 minutes.


Can't be right, should be "and Huawei says that the Mate X features a 55W SuperCharge feature....
 
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