Huawei Unveils AI Mobile Chipset Said to Rival A11 Processor in Upcoming iPhones

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    On Saturday, Chinese mobile maker Huawei unveiled its first artificial intelligence smartphone chipset, which it hopes will lure customers away from Apple's upcoming range of new iPhones and towards the Asian company's "most powerful handset yet", the Mate 10, which is set to debut next month (via Nikkei Asian Review).

    Huawei touted the Kirin 970 AI mobile chipset's built-in "neural processing unit" at the IFA consumer electronics trade show in Berlin, claiming that the technology is "20 times faster" than a traditional processor.

    Mate 10 handset render via Weibo
    The world's third largest smartphone maker claimed that mobile devices powered by the Kirin 970 will be able to "truly know and understand their users", by supporting real-time image recognition, voice interaction, and intelligent photography with ease.

    "Compared with Samsung and Apple, we have advantages," Yu said in an interview with Reuters. "Users are in for much faster (feature) performance, longer battery life and more compact design."

    According to Nikkei, the Kirin 970 integrates 5.5 billion transistors in a single square centimeter about the size of a thumbnail, which includes an octa-core central processing unit, a 12-core graphics processing unit, a dual-image signal processor, a high-speed 1.2Gbps Cat.18 modem, and AI mobile computing architecture.

    The Kirin 970 is said to be based on the same 10-nanometer technology as Apple's existing A10X Fusion processor and the A11 processor that will power its new iPhone range, set to debut this month. The A10X powers Apple's latest 10.5-inch and 12.9-inch iPad Pro tablets, making them the first consumer devices to feature a chip built on Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company's advanced 10-nanometer FinFET technology.

    Mark Li, an analyst at Sanford C. Bernstein, claimed that the new chip powering Huawei's Mate 10 may be better than the chips for the new iPhone range. "The new Huawei chip can be 10 times as powerful as an average smartphone chip, and also more energy efficient, when it comes to handling AI-related functions such as image and voice recognition," Li said. But he added that the popularity of the chip would depend on whether Huawei is able exploit its power in a killer AI app.

    The Mate 10 is said to be a bezel-less all-screen handset with a 6-inch, 2:1 display and a 2,160 x 1,080 resolution. Like Apple's so-called "iPhone 8", the Mate 10 is also expected to feature some form of facial recognition and improved cameras.

    Huawei aims to become the world's largest smartphone maker by 2021, ahead of both Apple and Samsung, and the latest market share data suggests it is making headway towards that goal.

    The company shipped an estimated 38.4 million smartphones in the June quarter, a 20 percent increase over a year ago, according to research firm Strategy Analytics. By comparison, Apple reported it sold 41 million iPhones in the same period, up nearly 2 percent from 40.4 million iPhones in the year-ago quarter.

    Article Link: Huawei Unveils AI Mobile Chipset Said to Rival A11 Processor in Upcoming iPhones
  2. Sunny1990 Suspended


    Feb 13, 2015
    A11 in iPhone 8 will be beast, it will be the fastest and Much power sufficient till date. Can't wait to see how this beast will perform.
  3. duffman9000 macrumors 68000


    Sep 7, 2003
    Deep in the Depths of CA
    I’ll believe it when I see proof. I recall other tall tales like the PlayStation’s emotion engine.
  4. MartyLK2 macrumors newbie


    May 31, 2017
    Really good processors if going by the 955 in the Honor 8. Really fast and smooth.
  5. Red Oak macrumors regular

    Jun 14, 2011
    Here are the single core benchmarks from the Kirin 960 and A10. Huawei will need to effectively double performance just to catch up to Apple's year old processor

    As for the "20X faster", that sounds like pure ********. Let's see the benchmark scores

    GeekBench 3 Benchmark Comparison
    Single-core Score

    1. Apple A10 : 3510
    2. Exynos 8890 : 2041
    3. Kirin 960 : 1989
    4. Snapdragon 820 : 1845
    5. Snapdragon 821 : 1827
  6. 6803390 Suspended

    Sep 3, 2016
    I don't care about other companies are better than Apple in terms of hardware etc because Apple Operating System whether be MacOS or iOS is by far superior (as in simplicity, Sure it doesn't have customisation but it is really not that important, security - yes I know it's not 100% but better than the rest, etc) and that is one thing they can never compete with lol All these companies need to either move away from Androiud or Android becomes a closed system!
  7. AfroAbel macrumors regular


    Oct 15, 2016
    The Netherlands
    I still expect the A11 to trounce it in single core performance.
    --- Post Merged, Sep 3, 2017 ---
    It's pretty insane to think that Apple is effectively more than a year ahead in terms of soc performance.
  8. RakEgg macrumors newbie


    Aug 1, 2008
    --- Post Merged, Sep 3, 2017 ---
    Yawn. No really, a BIG yawn!
  9. Sunny1990 Suspended


    Feb 13, 2015
    Here is a intresting leak which shows geekbench score of A11 cpu
  10. djcerla macrumors 68000


    Apr 23, 2015
    Who's gonns tell him that the A11 has a neural processing unit built-in?
  11. PhillyGuy72, Sep 3, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2017

    PhillyGuy72 macrumors 65816


    Sep 13, 2014
    Philadelphia, PA USA
    Well anything presented will be much much faster than my current Sept 2014 iPhone 6+.

    For me, last year I decided to hold off after the Sept announcement...wait another year - at the time it felt painfully long thinking (ugh, another year??!). ALMOST pulled the trigger on a 7+ in Jan but I feel proud I *showed enough willpower to back ---edited..ugh, auto correct and my fat thumbs---

    I plan to upgrade this time, I will admit though I am just not looking forward to the 3am (my time) preorder process. The slow or failed to load pages, Checkout stuck in a loop, black phone backordered to Dec, Jan in 5 minutes - etc etc. This will probably be the biggest preorder in iPhone history.
  12. usarioclave macrumors 65816

    Sep 26, 2003
    But it runs Android, so the phone will never be updated. The software will suck, and the reason it knows so much about you is because it'll mine all your data. Will wonders never cease?
  13. sammich macrumors 601


    Sep 26, 2006
    Put specialised circuits with limited functionality in device. Run code optimised for said circuit: insane performance compared to CPUs. Big surprise.

    It might prove to be a useful addition in any case. Just like how GPUs, ISPs and the many other specialised circuits already in current phones.
  14. Kabeyun, Sep 3, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2017

    Kabeyun macrumors 68000


    Mar 27, 2004
    Eastern USA
    To me, this is all useless. These tit-for-tat spec wars remind me of the 90s where everyone else was busying themselves comparing megahertz and the 00s when it was the digital camera industry and megapixels. This has nothing to do with a fluid user experience. Apple is king when it comes to hardware/software integration, and I couldn't care less about the number of "Hz" or "x" or cores or transistors. Whatevs, Huawei et al. It's a distraction and a route to claim superiority for the user where none exists. I will go where (fluid experience + app library + quality + security/trustworthiness + support) take me, and right now that's Apple in a heartbeat.
  15. proyb, Sep 3, 2017
    Last edited: Sep 3, 2017

    proyb macrumors newbie

    Sep 3, 2017
    Geekbench should add tests for Neural Processing Unit.
  16. fokmik macrumors 68030

    Oct 28, 2016
  17. upandown macrumors 6502

    Apr 10, 2017
    In multi it appears so. (If the numbers are real)
  18. glindon macrumors regular


    Jun 9, 2014
    A10X is a 3 core chip while the a11 will probably be dual core. We’ll find out soon enough.
  19. Winni macrumors 68040


    Oct 15, 2008
    You must be using Apple software from a parallel universe then. Nothing is in any way simpler in macOS or iOS - it's usually just different and in many cases even more cumbersome and less intuituve. Especially on macOS, a lot of stuff also is slower than Windows or Linux on the same Mac. At least that's my experience from the last 12+ years.
  20. rp2011 macrumors 65816


    Oct 12, 2010
    Competition is great. It benefits everyone.
  21. Shirasaki macrumors 604


    May 16, 2015
    Just don’t become duopoly or only a few (less than 4) big players in the game.
  22. 6803390 Suspended

    Sep 3, 2016
    I previously was a windows user until 2006 or so - an example (have many more) why I switched; format PC several times in order it to run smooth compared to Mac where I format when a new MacOS is released, and recently was using an android tablet - did not find it as fluid as iOS.

    I can confidently say that I find Apple much better. I am afaird to say that you're living in a parallels world. Your examples are vague, so I am not sure who you're trying to convince?
  23. Blaze4G macrumors 65816

    Oct 31, 2015
    Windows from 2006 is vastly different than Windows in 2017. Would it be a fair comparison for me to say Windows 10 is vastly superior to Mac OS X tiger? Well of course it is.

    All android tablets range from terrible to passable. iPads are so much better. Not a god idea to judge android using there tablets.
  24. macTW Suspended

    Oct 17, 2016
    Intriguing. I hope it is very successful and steers the market (i.e. Apple) to follow suite.

    Edit: after reading the thread, it looks like Apple already has a neural processing unit in its processors. Nice try Huawei.
  25. Sharkoneau macrumors 6502a


    Jan 13, 2017
    One of their adjectives used was “better.” Now that’s powerful marketing.

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