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Huawei Unveils AI Mobile Chipset Said to Rival A11 Processor in Upcoming iPhones

Blaze4G said:
Windows from 2006 is vastly different than Windows in 2017. Would it be a fair comparison for me to say Windows 10 is vastly superior to Mac OS X tiger? Well of course it is.

All android tablets range from terrible to passable. iPads are so much better. Not a god idea to judge android using there tablets.
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As someone who's used windows XP and macOS side by side for a decade... macOS is much simpler and smoother. It isn't simple, mind you... but is much easier to organize, manage apps installed, flow between devices and apps within a device, and more.

Edit: used every windows since XP*
 
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ryanayr said:
I don't care about other companies are better than Apple in terms of hardware etc because Apple Operating System whether be MacOS or iOS is by far superior (as in simplicity, Sure it doesn't have customisation but it is really not that important, security - yes I know it's not 100% but better than the rest, etc) and that is one thing they can never compete with lol All these companies need to either move away from Androiud or Android becomes a closed system!
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This is exactly right. A fact that most other Companies seem to miss. We don’t like Apple because they have the fastest processor or curved screens. We like Apple because of the security. I buy Apple to avoid viruses and malware. Until a far superior closed OS comes out, I’m not changing.
 
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macTW said:
As someone who's used windows XP and macOS side by side for a decade... macOS is much simpler and smoother. It isn't simple, mind you... but is much easier to organize, manage apps installed, flow between devices and apps within a device, and more.
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You're basing your comparison on windows xp released in 2001? That's 16 years ago, come on. I agree mac OS is smoother and imo looks less confusing. But imo when actually using both Windows is more intuitive.

Anyways, back on topic, I can't see this new processor from huawei coming closeo the A11. Hopefully they do but its just hard to believe.
 
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ryanayr said:
I previously was a windows user until 2006 or so - an example (have many more) why I switched; format PC several times in order it to run smooth compared to Mac where I format when a new MacOS is released, and recently was using an android tablet - did not find it as fluid as iOS.

I can confidently say that I find Apple much better. I am afaird to say that you're living in a parallels world. Your examples are vague, so I am not sure who you're trying to convince?
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This is utter nonsense...I have a 2016 MacBook Pro 13 and a Dell Precision Mobile Pro...they are both fast laptops and one is not better than the other...Windows 10 is very polished and runs apps every bit as good as MacOS...I would say memory management in Windows is superior...and obviously all the networking features it has that is non-existent in MacOS...And if someone finds Windows too complicated in 2017, you probably shouldn't be using computers at all as both OSes are easy to learn and use.
 
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Kabeyun said:
To me, this is all useless. These tit-for-tat spec wars remind me of the 90s where everyone else was busying themselves comparing megahertz and the 00s when it was the digital camera industry and megapixels. This has nothing to do with a fluid user experience. Apple is king when it comes to hardware/software integration, and I couldn't care less about the number of "Hz" or "x" or cores or transistors. Whatevs, Huawei et al. It's a distraction and a route to claim superiority for the user where none exists. I will go where (fluid experience + app library + quality + security/trustworthiness + support) take me, and right now that's Apple in a heartbeat.
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The people they sell to care about that crap as well as absolutely lowest initial price point. They do not care about the ecosystem because they have never experienced it. Those folks that do switch 95% plus never go back. Apple offers on boarding products like the iPod and Mac and AppleTV to get some adopters on the edges, but for the most part it is a religious choice. iOS or Android. All the others have ben squeezed out.
 
Rocketman said:
The people they sell to care about that crap as well as absolutely lowest initial price point. They do not care about the ecosystem because they have never experienced it. Those folks that do switch 95% plus never go back. Apple offers on boarding products like the iPod and Mac and AppleTV to get some adopters on the edges, but for the most part it is a religious choice. iOS or Android. All the others have ben squeezed out.
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The reason Android and iOS are the dominant platforms of choice has nothing to do with the OS or security or features...of course the manufacturers would like you to believe that but it's not true...the main selling point is the app stores in each platform...Apple and Google have refined and expanded their app stores quite a bit from the early days...for a new competitor to emerge, their app store would need to rival the giants and get backing from the biggest developers of software on the market and that is extremely hard.
 
They market this as the world's first mobile AI processing unit. If Apple comes out next week and announce the iPhone 8/Edition with an Apple Neural Engine Chip and launches on the 22nd, are they not the ones with the worlds first mobile AI chip as Huawei are announcing well ahead of release?
 
New (Tim's) Apple inherited the ecosystem. They didn't innovate it. And they're only adding more to complicate it. The risk is whether you invest in the hope it will keep up to date with competitors. Equally the risk with swapping to better value Android phones is whether they will conversely simplify and standardise their own OS. Neither is perfect its all to do with how safe respective operating systems stay user friendly balanced with value. Is a equally powerful Android £500 phone enough to pull you away from a £1000 Apple phone? How important that universality is over practicality will be the reason you thought a 100% cash premium was worth paying. Or not.
 
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New (Tim's) Apple inherited the ecosystem. They didn't innovate it. And they're only adding more to complicate it. The risk is whether you invest in the hope it will keep up to date with competitors. Equally the risk with swapping to better value Android phones is whether they will conversely simplify and standardise their own OS. Neither is perfect its all to do with how safe respective operating systems stay user friendly balanced with value. Is a equally powerful Android £500 phone enough to pull you away from a £1000 Apple phone? How important that universality is over practicality will be the reason you thought a 100% cash premium was worth paying. Or not.
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First of all why are you using this post as an opportunity to bash Tim Cook? Seems unwarranted.
Nobody here suggested that "Tim's Apple" innovated the ecosystem, what would that even mean...

Also if you think a $500 android phone is as powerful as an iPhone I suggest you take a look at a few Geekbench scores.
 
Notice how Apple rarely mentions the tech inside their phones (except at Keynotes). The specs aren't important; it's the experience of using the device that matters. Apple still has a mastery of that. As others have pointed out, there's little more Huawei can brag about beyond their specs because they run Android, which isn't under their control.
 
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ACE76 said:
And if someone finds Windows too complicated in 2017, you probably shouldn't be using computers at all as both OSes are easy to learn and use.
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Where in my post did I say that? Clearly you should not be on forums. I can use all operating system. SMH. Please don't bother replying.
 
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Notice how Apple rarely mentions the tech inside their phones (except at Keynotes). The specs aren't important; it's the experience of using the device that matters. Apple still has a mastery of that. As others have pointed out, there's little more Huawei can brag about beyond their specs because they run Android, which isn't under their control.
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Part of the reason Apple avoids in depth discussion about hardware during the Keynotes is to avoid any confusion the audience. They discuss the processor somewhat, but avoid More technical hardware, like Ram for example. They touch on the features and capabilities they want to highlight to the audience that will ultimately sell the iPhone.
 
Certainly Huawei phone are nice and the implementation of Android is better than Samsung but when it comes to updates they fail miserably I used to have one and was stuck at Android 5.0 it never got updated to 6.0 even though it has 2GB of Ram. Android manufacturers give you much love and attention to buy their handsets after you do they forget you.
 
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canadianreader said:
Certainly Huawei phone are nice and the implementation of Android is better than Samsung but when it comes to updates they fail miserably I used to have one and was stuck at Android 5.0 it never got updated to 6.0 even though it has 2GB of Ram. Android manufacturers give you much love and attention to buy their handsets after you do they forget you.
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Only reasonable response in this topic so far.... software updates are the biggest problem in Android system. But most of the normal users do not care about it so long they offer spec advantage with unbeatable price points.
 
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Red Oak said:
Here are the single core benchmarks from the Kirin 960 and A10. Huawei will need to effectively double performance just to catch up to Apple's year old processor

As for the "20X faster", that sounds like pure ********. Let's see the benchmark scores
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20x is easy for AI functionality.
GeekBench 3 Benchmark Comparison
Single-core Score

  1. Apple A10 : 3510
  2. Exynos 8890 : 2041
  3. Kirin 960 : 1989
  4. Snapdragon 820 : 1845
  5. Snapdragon 821 : 1827
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Single core scores bias the results in favor of Apple.

The interesting thing here Huewei seems to have confirmed some sort of AI processing enhancement in Apples forth coming chip. That is interesting all on its own. It will be interesting to see how Apple tackles this.
 
Not sure if I care about this NPU, but for sure I'm planning to get the Mate 10, which will have the new Kirin 970. Perhaps it will aid with the camera.

Based on the 955, which still runs beautifully in my P9, I think it will be a beast.
 
If you find Windows 10 intuitive then there is something wrong with you. No matter how much Microsoft tries to hide it there is an inherent roughness with this OS, as much as it was in the past when MS was trying to hide MS-DOS under the carpet.

Anyway, the main problem in this era for every S/W (and H/W) is not security, it is privacy. If you are comfortable accepting that there is none and that you are supposed to let everyone (companies, governments, agencies) have their way on you without any fight then you can go on with your life and focus on biased benchmarks, features and marketing.
 
But the A11 is rumored to have a machine learning co-processor that is specialized for AI related tasks, so any advantage will likely go away immediately.
 
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ACE76 said:
This is utter nonsense...I have a 2016 MacBook Pro 13 and a Dell Precision Mobile Pro...they are both fast laptops and one is not better than the other...Windows 10 is very polished and runs apps every bit as good as MacOS...I would say memory management in Windows is superior...and obviously all the networking features it has that is non-existent in MacOS...And if someone finds Windows too complicated in 2017, you probably shouldn't be using computers at all as both OSes are easy to learn and use.
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We are switching from 7 to 10 at work and it just baffles me that I need to go through 3 different steps saying 'no I don't want to use the new user with a Microsoft account' before being able to create a new account
 
ACE76 said:
This is utter nonsense...I have a 2016 MacBook Pro 13 and a Dell Precision Mobile Pro...they are both fast laptops and one is not better than the other...Windows 10 is very polished and runs apps every bit as good as MacOS...I would say memory management in Windows is superior...and obviously all the networking features it has that is non-existent in MacOS...And if someone finds Windows too complicated in 2017, you probably shouldn't be using computers at all as both OSes are easy to learn and use.
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Windows 10 appears more polished that previous versions of Windows but it is badly flawed by attempts to make it appear more polished. For example, the settings panel it opens has huge icons with lots of white space and very little actual settings. Windows still has trouble with networking because it is still based around a kernel and architecture that was not intended to be used in a network. Windows remains clunky with updates. But if you are happy with it, that is great.
 
 
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Seeing as the Chinese get to see the A-Series chips a year before the rest of the world and have zero patent infringement enforcement, I'm sure that they'll be hot on the heels of every Apple chipset that they copy
 
Blaze4G said:
You're basing your comparison on windows xp released in 2001? That's 16 years ago, come on. I agree mac OS is smoother and imo looks less confusing. But imo when actually using both Windows is more intuitive.

Anyways, back on topic, I can't see this new processor from huawei coming closeo the A11. Hopefully they do but its just hard to believe.
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I meant every windows since XP
 
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