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Hundreds of Twitter Employees Leaving After Elon Musk's 'Extremely Hardcore' Work Demands

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AdamNC said:
Someone please seriously give a real good answer to these questions …. Why care what happens to Twitter? Why care what a billionaire does with his money? Would you be reacting the same if it was Facebook? I mean everyone agrees social media has done more harm than good overall. So what if Elon drives it in to the ground? It’s his money he can light it all on fire if he wants too. How would it really affect you personally if he did? 1000 posts arguing about what? There are more important issues in this world folks.
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Imagine if you were living in a nice neighbourhood until a new mayor came along and made a mess of things and your options now are to either migrate to another neighbourhood or put up with the worse living conditions.

I don’t engage with people online. I don’t care about politics. My world is not going to collapse if it does disappear overnight, but Twitter is nevertheless my RSS feed which I have spent years curating, and I am not sure if I can find something equivalent to replace it.

Either way, it represents a downgrade to what I have been accustomed to. I just don’t think anyone enjoys seeing their carefully stacked deck of cards being upset.
 
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(I was wrong, it was not Truth Social, it might have been Parler that I was thinking of???)

Any hoozle, Yeah the EU is going to be the stuff of Enron's nightmares:

(yes, even though he sends rockets into space)

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No mobile apps

No staying afloat.

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AdamNC said:
I would love to see all of his business's go down. He is scum.
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AdamNC said:
Someone please seriously give a real good answer to these questions …. Why care what happens to Twitter? Why care what a billionaire does with his money? Would you be reacting the same if it was Facebook? I mean everyone agrees social media has done more harm than good overall. So what if Elon drives it in to the ground? It’s his money he can light it all on fire if he wants too. How would it really affect you personally if he did? 1000 posts arguing about what? There are more important issues in this world folks.
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These two posts of yours contradict each other.
 
Abazigal said:
Imagine if you were living in a nice neighbourhood until a new mayor came along and made a mess of things and your options now are to either migrate to another neighbourhood or put up with the worse living conditions.
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The problem here is comparing Twitter to a nice neighborhood when it was terrible before and after Elon. It is disingenuous to make believe it was so great and now isn’t when in reality very little has actually changed.
 
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Abazigal said:
And you believe him? [Elon Musk and his ability to release a new phone.]
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Hard to say. He says a lot of things which are total BS, until they come true. <Shrug>

Flip a coin?

Elon is CEO of what, like 19 companies now, 27 by next year? Is he really though? No, he's a promoter and obviously aligned with capital who like and fund his narratives. There is obviously no problem in Elon's world attracting the necessary talent to make extremely complex technological breakthroughs equate to reality.

I mean, Tesla's are real. They aren't just a meme to 0wn libs who purchased his cars.

SpaceX is actually, ya know, launching an insane amount of hardware into space. It's working. Starlink works.

Anyway, building a phone? That's back to pure tech and infrastructure. He already has the infrastructure to obviate carriers altogether and capture probably 50 new revenue streams irrespective of twitter.

If his phone is actually ... better than competing devices and suddenly you have a small satellite phone in your pocket that actually works with competitive rates... Then it certainly has a chance. It's not like Elon is going to personally do any of it, so whether you hate him or like him, try to understand he's a promoter, and he's not personally doing any of these things.
 
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Anyway, building a phone? That's back to pure tech and infrastructure. He already has the infrastructure to obviate carriers altogether and capture probably 50 new revenue streams irrespective of twitter.

If his phone is actually ... better than competing devices and suddenly you have a small satellite phone in your pocket that actually works with competitive rates... Then it certainly has a chance. It's not like Elon is going to personally do any of it, so whether you hate him or like him, try to understand he's a promoter, and he's not personally doing any of these things.
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In this day and age, it's no longer enough to merely ship a good phone. You gotta have an ecosystem built around it to make it stand out from Google and Apple. That means having your own OS, your own App Store, your own infrastructure (eg: maps, voice assistant).

I get why he said it (was anyone actually expecting him to capitulate and say that Twitter would be screwed if Apple and Google decided to remove it from their app stores?). But I feel that in the very least, news outlets ought to be able to make a judgement call and filter out the obvious BS from the newsworthy articles, rather than simply parrot everything Elon Musk says ad-verbatim. This is clearly Elon making yet another exaggerated claim he has no intention or ability to follow through on (unless you call slapping a Tesla logo on a white label Chinese phone making your own phone).

I don't like or hate Elon, for the reason that living here in Asia, he's too far away to actually be able to cause me (or the products that I like to use) any real harm. Like I said, Twitter is my tech RSS feed and nothing more, so my user experience on it hasn't exactly been negatively impacted yet (except that tech blogs such as Ar Technica and TheVerge seem to be split between covering him and Crypto scams of late). The Tesla remains this expensive status symbol in Singapore (mainly because the implication of owning one is that you are rich enough to install your own charging station). He's loud, he's rich (and I don't begrudge him that), but past a certain point, it's starting to feel a little exhausting seeming him dominate the news cycle no matter where I turn to.
 
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Abazigal said:
Imagine if you were living in a nice neighbourhood until a new mayor came along and made a mess of things and your options now are to either migrate to another neighbourhood or put up with the worse living conditions.

I don’t engage with people online. I don’t care about politics. My world is not going to collapse if it does disappear overnight, but Twitter is nevertheless my RSS feed which I have spent years curating, and I am not sure if I can find something equivalent to replace it.

Either way, it represents a downgrade to what I have been accustomed to. I just don’t think anyone enjoys seeing their carefully stacked deck of cards being upset.
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Nice neighborhood? For who? That’s a totally subjective description.

One person’s nice is another’s hell.

This means the new mayor will also make Twitter “better living conditions” for many.
 
Steve686 said:
Nice neighborhood? For who? That’s a totally subjective description.

One person’s nice is another’s hell.

This means the new mayor will also make Twitter “better living conditions” for many.
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But the neighbourhood on Twitter is a reflection of you and your actions. Change yourself and your experience will change. Follow idiots and you'll get idiot posts ;)
 
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jamezr said:
total BS.....I work in cybersecurity and have been in involved in several MAs and takeovers over the years.
No one is irreplaceable......no one. I have seen network or software engineers replaced...who thought they were indispensable
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You literally have not read a single word I have said. Not once did I even imply that any one employee is not replaceable.

What I did say was that to advertise a role, onboard someone new, train them on your company’s procedures, policies and tooling and have them get to the level of a fully contributing member can easily take 6 months.

This period of lag can cause serious problems when you decide you have a critical skills shortage because you just fired half the company in a completely unplanned manner, and will end up costing more in the long run.
 
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jamezr said:
Sometimes innovators push back against the industry norms and timelines. Disruptors and people who spur change do not want to use cookie cutter methods.

You can post how YOU would have liked to see things done
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So if he is doing things with some kind of method in mind that mere mortals like me cannot comprehend, then why has he been forced to walk back a bunch of decisions and rehire back numerous people he fired without understanding how critical the roles they were fulfilling was?

And before you misquote me again, no one is that important that they cannot be replaced. But he was making business critical roles redundant without understanding their criticality.
 
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I know the internet is home to self proclaimed experts in literally every field these days but when it is the richest man in the world (a self made billionaire as well), vs some random people online in a debate over how to run a business... I think it is easy to choose who to side with on that.
 
SlCKB0Y said:
You literally have not read a single word I have said. Not once did I even imply that any one employee is not replaceable.

What I did say was that to advertise a role, onboard someone new, train them on your company’s procedures, policies and tooling and have them get to the level of a fully contributing member can easily take 6 months.

This period of lag can cause serious problems when you decide you have a critical skills shortage because you just fired half the company in a completely unplanned manner, and will end up costing more in the long run.
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no you did write that and insinuate that the people he was replacing were invaluable to the company...insinuating the company was going to fail because of it.

In most companies it can take months to get employees up to speed to do the general day to day work.

But also I have seen and been a part of the opposite as well. I have hired engineers to do a specific role or task if you will. I hired them to do one thing and one thing only...I let them know right from the start. This engagement for 6-12 months you will do XYZ...nothing else but XYZ. I have them micro focus on the task at hand....12 hours a day working at doing just XYZ.
Now imagine i hired 12 contractors to do the above to fill the gaps so to speak and micro focus on exactly what my needs were. It is amazing how much they can get done in a very short amount of time.
They don't have to go through all the onboarding BS you laid out

Then not all hires or contractors have to through that laboriously long process you described...things can get fast tracked and pushed through with extreme speed if there is a need to do so.....it is called being agile.
I have used the fast track process and been part of it in the past....it works...
 
SlCKB0Y said:
So if he is doing things with some kind of method in mind that mere mortals like me cannot comprehend, then why has he been forced to walk back a bunch of decisions and rehire back numerous people he fired without understanding how critical the roles they were fulfilling was?

And before you misquote me again, no one is that important that they cannot be replaced. But he was making business critical roles redundant without understanding their criticality.
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Maybe he was, but I would like to see someone tell Elon: "you're running it wrong."
 
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SlCKB0Y said:
So if he is doing things with some kind of method in mind that mere mortals like me cannot comprehend, then why has he been forced to walk back a bunch of decisions and rehire back numerous people he fired without understanding how critical the roles they were fulfilling was?

And before you misquote me again, no one is that important that they cannot be replaced. But he was making business critical roles redundant without understanding their criticality.
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you're right...he made some mistakes that he corrected...welcome to business and the real world!

Name a company that doesn't have this happen? Name a company that doesn't make mistakes in staffing during mergers or acquisitions.
 
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ProfessionalFan said:
I know the internet is home to self proclaimed experts in literally every field these days but when it is the richest man in the world (a self made billionaire as well), vs some random people online in a debate over how to run a business... I think it is easy to choose who to side with on that.
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There has never been such a thing as a “self made billionaire”.

Nobody’s wealth is self made, especially the wealthiest. The ultra wealthy exploit the talent and labor of their employees or buy out companies which had been created by people much smarter than them.
 
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Seoras said:
Why pay severance to get rid of dead weight when you can just chase them out of the door with the threat of hard labour.
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I've seen a lot of "rationalization, ""downsizing", "rightsizing". Without the severance pay, it won't be the dead weight that chooses to leave. It never is. If any of them really were "dead weight" - which is very doubtful - they know they wouldn't find it easy to get another job, so they would cling on to their jobs like limpets, signing loyalty oaths to The Almighty Musk, and offering to lick his boots every morning. They aren't going to give their jobs away. But they might be persuaded to sell them.

Those leaving are entirely confident in their abilities to find other employment; Musk's crass insulting behaviour, combined with the ample evidence that the biggest lump of dead weight is The Almighty Musk Himself, that he's in over his head, and will take the company down with him, will be their incentive to do so. But they'll take the severance anyway.
 
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Odds are, when someone throws around the term "dead weight",

(esp. in the middle of such drastic and demonstrable actions at Twitter)

That person almost assuredly is a couple of quarts too low in the Empathy dept.
 
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