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Apr 12, 2001

Rumors that Apple is in negotiations with Hyundai about developing an Apple Car have been in the air over the last few weeks, and a new Reuters report today provides further details on the state of play between the two companies.


According to the report, the outlook for a deal has dimmed because Hyundai executives are divided over the prospect of working with Apple. Hyundai's main concern is that it could become a contract manufacturer for another brand.
"We are agonizing over how to do it, whether it is good to do it or not," said a Hyundai executive aware of the internal discussions on the tie-up with Apple. "We are not a company which manufactures cars for others. It is not like working with Apple would always produce great results."
According to the report, Apple and Hyundai first started talks over a car partnership in 2018, when Apple's car project was headed by Alexander Hitzinger, who now works for Volkswagen. However, progress in the talks has been hampered by Hyundai's historical reluctance to work with other companies.
"It is really difficult (for Hyundai) to open up," this person said, adding that the South Korean company would likely to have to replace some executives to avoid a culture clash under any partnership with Apple.

"Apple is the boss. They do their marketing, they do their products, they do their brand. Hyundai is also the boss. That does not really work," the person said.
Despite its reluctance, Hyundai is said to have excess capacity, therefore contract manufacturing would help it secure production volume.

Apple reportedly wants to source major components of its own design – frames, bodies, drive trains, and other parts – from a variety of places and rely on Hyundai or Kia, a Hyundai Motor Group affiliate, for a final assembly site. Previous reports also suggested that Kia's Georgia plant in the U.S. could become the production base, which would suit Apple better.

Rumors that Apple is in negotiations with Hyundai first surfaced earlier this month‌, suggesting that Apple is planning to work with the automaker to produce electric vehicles and develop batteries due to the high costs of the technology and the necessary production facilities.

Hyundai initially confirmed its electric vehicle discussions with Apple in a statement to CNBC, but the statement was revised hours later with no mention of Apple. Apple has not commented on reports of the negotiations.

Reuters last month reported that ‌‌Apple Car‌‌ production may begin around 2024. However, a report from Bloomberg last week said that the ‌‌Apple Car‌‌ is "nowhere near production stage" and could be ready in around five to seven years.

Apple and Hyundai reportedly want to reach a partnership agreement for the upcoming Apple Car by March, although today's report seems to cast doubt on any deal being signed off anytime soon.

Article Link: Hyundai Executives Said to Be 'Divided' Over Prospect of Apple Car Partnership


macrumors 601
Feb 5, 2017
Over here
"Apple is the boss. They do their marketing, they do their products, they do their brand. Hyundai is also the boss. That does not really work,"

Indeed and whilst Apple is good at what they do on their own, they are not a good partner to work with on something this complex and lack any experience in.


Nov 25, 2005
Hyundai...I mean, it'd be nice if they partnered with a car company that made fun to drive vehicles like Audi or Infiniti.
Audi can be fun to watch. Some winters ago, roads full of snow, and I spotted an Audi R8 that had gone off the road, hit a lamp post, and hit it from the wrong side! I'm sure that Audi was fun to drive. Until the driver found out that he couldn't actually drive :) Made me smile.

BTW. Kia hired the designer that built the Audi TT series.


macrumors regular
Jul 7, 2013
I fully trust Apple with my phone, computer and tablet. But I’m not entirely sure I’d trust them with my car...
Partnering with an established manufacturer would avoid the kind of problems Tesla had with build quality up until recently, but I wonder if the different views both companies have about what a car should be would clash.
If I had to guess, I’d say Apple sees a car as a service, and probably not as something you keep for a long time, like some of us do with cars. They’d want you to lease it for 2~3 years, and then give it back and start the process again, as in to ensure a steady inflow of income. Also not sure that goes well with their pro-environment view...


Jul 12, 2016
My question would be for the future, would it be one model or multiple models? If it’s multiple trim models, then you would have pricing ranges depending on which package you choose. If Apple only produces one specific model, then that will inevitably phase out those who probably won’t be able to afford it, being that they want to maximize as much profit on one model as much as they can.


Jul 12, 2016
isn’t this just called business partnership negotiations?
Not really. It seems like Hyundai really doesn’t want to be stepped on during this ‘partnership’. Apple has such a powerful brand in this world, that Hyundai makes it sound like they might be overshadowed. Sounds like to me this is more of a position of ‘empowerment’ of branding.


macrumors 68040
Mar 27, 2004
Eastern USA
I would think so. This is Apple’s most ambitious project in their entire company history.

"We are not a company which manufactures cars for others. It is not like working with Apple would always produce great results."
Ouch. I’m guessing he’s talking about Hyundai corporate results. Product-wise, no examples come to mind. (And no, GT Advanced Technologies is not an example of anything other than a manufacturing partner promising something they could never deliver. Hyundai doesn’t have that problem.)
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macrumors 68000
May 7, 2005
Apple wants to have their cake and eat it in typical Apple fashion. They wanna make a car, they don't want to be involved with the hassle of making said car. They probably want Hyundai to organise servicing as well. But with Apple branding everywhere and next to no mention of Hyundai.

That's how Apple does business. We've heard time and time again of how Apple treats contractors. Doing the same for the business of car-making is going to be difficult but also 'optimal' for them. Max profits, max brand exposure, min costs and overhead.

Tesla, at least, built their company from the ground up.
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