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Apple will probably ditch them when Apple Car is proven to be a viable product. Just like Apple's A-series GPU.

Yeah, these contracts probably make it totally easy to just drop them and have no long-term terms over many years when signed, no securities, no investments, no contract penalties etc. Apple probably also forces them to sign at gunpoint.
 
Only a really stupid company would join bed with apple. They take everything and leave you nothing. Apple needs desperately some car expertise - so don’t give it to them!!!

Or one that wants to make a lot of money and can make a deal that they also benefit from.
Foxconn is quite successful with that business model, as an example.
 
I fully trust Apple with my phone, computer and tablet. But I’m not entirely sure I’d trust them with my car...
Partnering with an established manufacturer would avoid the kind of problems Tesla had with build quality up until recently, but I wonder if the different views both companies have about what a car should be would clash.
If I had to guess, I’d say Apple sees a car as a service, and probably not as something you keep for a long time, like some of us do with cars. They’d want you to lease it for 2~3 years, and then give it back and start the process again, as in to ensure a steady inflow of income. Also not sure that goes well with their pro-environment view...
That's the direction a lot of car manufacturers are heading, obviously it has it's pros and cons. It might well be ideal for electric vehicles as the batteries wear out and are a sizeable chunk of the car's value. While many manufacturers do guarantee the battery for up to 8 years, with a traditional sales model eventually someone's going to end up with a $10,000 replacement bill, or have to write it off. Less of an issue if the car goes back to the manufacturer after a couple of 2-3 year lease cycles.
 
I fully trust Apple with my phone, computer and tablet. But I’m not entirely sure I’d trust them with my car...
Partnering with an established manufacturer would avoid the kind of problems Tesla had with build quality up until recently, but I wonder if the different views both companies have about what a car should be would clash.
If I had to guess, I’d say Apple sees a car as a service, and probably not as something you keep for a long time, like some of us do with cars. They’d want you to lease it for 2~3 years, and then give it back and start the process again, as in to ensure a steady inflow of income. Also not sure that goes well with their pro-environment view...
I honestly can’t believe some of you Lol. When the iphone first came out, everyone was skeptical. When the Watch came out, same thing. Don’t you guys think a company like Apple with its track record and resources and planning can make a decent car?

I really don’t get some of your thought processes. A car is VERY different than what they make now, but why would they go into such a huge industry without ensuring they can succeed?
 
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I’m still baffled by people who think Apple partnering with Hyundai think their car will LOOK like a Hyundai. I’m baffled by a lot of things actually Lol I shouldn’t even be surprised...

Well said. Common sense isn’t really that common anymore.
 
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Sure, 70 is nothing. Most cars will easily do 70; the performance issue is how fast can you get from 70 to 85 or a 100? Decent perfroamnce is all relative; things like how fast can you transition from fast to slow to fast all count when talking performance.
I would hope that no one is driving at 100mph
 
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So when 2-5% of cars crash do to a software glitch?

Hm let’s see what you do on any other electric car. Feel free to ride a bicycle if electric vehicles aren’t your thing. Luckily we are not forced to buy one (nor is anybody forced to build it for Apple).
 
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Hm let’s see what you do on any other electric car. Feel free to ride a bicycle if electric vehicles aren’t your thing. Luckily we are not forced to buy one (nor is anybody forced to build it for Apple).
I’ll stick to my simple Honda Civic. 210000 miles and yet a major repair. No software glitches ever.
 
I’ll stick to my simple Honda Civic. 210000 miles and yet a major repair. No software glitches ever.

Not a bad choice at all in my opinion. Also consider the impact on the environment too. Your car is built and ready. To make a brand new electric car for you or me, all the resources need to be gathered, huge batteries need to be made, parts are shipped, it’s being put together, then shipped again, all of which will cause additional impact on the environment as well. You’ll have to drive that electric car a very very long time to get to a point where its impact on the environment will be lesser than what you have right now.
 
Glad to never have to drive in Germany. I would imagine the wrecks there are bad. Must have tons of fatalities
 
160 km/h (or 100 m/h) is a quite pedestrian speed in Europe.
And not only in Germany.
Glad to never have to drive in Germany. I would imagine the wrecks there are bad. Must have tons of fatalities
Not really. German car fatalities are a lot lower than the USA (adjusted for populations of course).
 
160 km/h (or 100 m/h) is a quite pedestrian speed in Europe.
And not only in Germany.

Not really. German car fatalities are a lot lower than the USA.
So a crash at 100+mph is less fatal than at crash at 65? Less drivers maybe
 
Glad to never have to drive in Germany. I would imagine the wrecks there are bad. Must have tons of fatalities
Actually, it's quite safe, I prefer it to the US. Drivers follow the rules (They're Germans, after all, even the Bavarians), driver licenses require real skill and not just a 15 minute road test and simple set of questions, cars have real inspections so no guy who barely passed the exam is in a clapped out junker with bald tires doing 100+ weaving in and out of traffic. I doubt you see many people driving and texting, either. Bad drivers quickly lose their license as well. The autobahn is also well maintained with various safety features to make it safer.

So a crash at 100+mph is less fatal than at crash at 65? Less drivers maybe.

Sure, there's a lot more energy that needs to be dissipated at 100 than 65; but a lot of the ability to do that is based on a car's design; which is why people walk away from accidents where the car is badly mangled, the car absorbed and dissipated the impact forces, not the driver.

Even adjusted, Germany's death rate is about half 4.2 vs 7.3 per billion KMs. If you look at per 100k people, it's even better - 3.7 vs 12.4. You're much more likely to die on a rural road in Germany, at speeds way below 65, then on the Autobahn.
 
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Battery deliberately crippled to make you buy a new one.

Repairable only at apple authorised workshops that charge 3x the price that anyone else charges for the same type of repair jobs. Get a cheaper part or salvage one - you car will refuse to start.

Anyone who goes for this deserves to re ripped off. Cars are fairly cheap and established technology. No one needs the Apple ‘make-our CEOs-grandkid-richer‘ approach here.
I’m pretty sure Tim doesn’t have a kid(s) so no need to worry about his grandkid(s)
 
I love these theories that "Apple has the cash and hires the best engineers, so it will quickly overtake Tesla."

Exactly like Bezos Blue Origin did with SpaceX? (BO was founded 2 years before SpaceX, to this day they have not flown to orbit)

Or is it like Amazon has conquered the gaming market by hiring "top managers" and packing in ridiculous amounts of money at $500million a year? (I hint - no).
 
Is it even legally possible to go significantly faster than 70mph on public roads in the US? Honest question, as I really don't know.
In some states. Average speed of 80 mph is very common and is considered within a margin of error of the speed limit. You almost never get a ticket for going 80 mph in a 70 mph zone in any state. You could get a ticket if you go above 85. Anything between 80 and 85 is a crap shoot. Some cops will chase you and others won’t. When I go on long trips (6 hours plus), I usually drive at 90 mph but I’m always looking out for cops.

I used to have a 45 minute commute, and I drove 105 mph every morning for a year and a half. Never got caught. Now I think I was crazy. It was 25 years ago.
 
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I am quite surprised given Apple's emphasis on quality, that they would choose/partner with a brand that focuses on cars made with cheap interiors and cheap cars. I would've thought a partnership with Tesla or Porsche would've been a more "Apple-like."

Actually, it's quite safe, I prefer it to the US. Drivers follow the rules (They're Germans, after all, even the Bavarians), driver licenses require real skill and not just a 15 minute road test and simple set of questions, cars have real inspections so no guy who barely passed the exam is in a clapped out junker with bald tires doing 100+ weaving in and out of traffic. I doubt you see many people driving and texting, either. Bad drivers quickly lose their license as well. The autobahn is also well maintained with various safety features to make it safer.

I would have to agree. It seems like most U.S drivers are terrible (and I'm American). People drive overly slow and the government supports excessively slow, outdated speed limits from the 90s because they not only increase revenue for the government, but also makes the insurance company lobbyists and trucker industry happier. Tractor trailers go down the highway driving 10-15mph slower than everyone else who have to swerve around them because they're disrupting the flow of traffic. It really is a broken system here. Simply raise the speed limits, take the speed governors off the trucks, and everyone will be happy. Stop using the roadways as a revenue booster.
 
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I am quite surprised given Apple's emphasis on quality, that they would choose/partner with a brand that focuses on cars made with cheap interiors and cheap cars. I would've thought a partnership with Tesla or Porsche would've been a more "Apple-like."

My guess is they were not interested in partnering with Apple. They wouldn’t be in control yet taking much of the risk while diluting their brand, and Porsche lacks the production capacity and thus unlikely to switch from Porsches to something less lucrative.
 
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