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In some states. Average speed of 80 mph is very common and is considered within a margin of error of the speed limit. You almost never get a ticket for going 80 mph in a 70 mph zone in any state. You could get a ticket if you go above 85. Anything between 80 and 85 is a crap shoot. Some cops will chase you and others won’t. When I go on long trips (6 hours plus), I usually drive at 90 mph but I’m always looking out for cops.

I used to have a 45 minute commute, and I drove 105 mph every morning for a year and a half. Never got caught. Now I think I was crazy. It was 25 years ago.
an apple car better be able to do 88MPH
 
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Very regular thing on our german motorways. The faster the traffic the better the drivers have to be.
Sadly, a lot of them aren't.

Glad to never have to drive in Germany. I would imagine the wrecks there are bad. Must have tons of fatalities
In fact, we have not. Neither in total nor adjusted to population.

So a crash at 100+mph is less fatal than at crash at 65? Less drivers maybe
The roads are full of cars. It's not like there's no one driving around here. We just don't have that much accidents on the Autobahn. Crashs happen mostly on rural roads or in the cities.
 
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Sadly, a lot of them aren't.


In fact, we have not. Neither in total nor adjusted to population.


The roads are full of cars. It's not like there's no one driving around here. We just don't have that much accidents on the Autobahn. Crashs happen mostly on rural roads or in the cities.

Wish they’d let us write in Deutsch around here. I could use the practice. Colleague of mine recently had a crash on the autobahn. Spent time in the hospital. Happily there were no covid-related capacity problems at the time.
 
Wish they’d let us write in Deutsch around here. I could use the practice. Colleague of mine recently had a crash on the autobahn. Spent time in the hospital. Happily there were no covid-related capacity problems at the time.
Feel free to shoot me a PM. I'm sure we find some topic to talk about 🙂
 
an apple car better be able to do 88MPH
As far as I can tell most non-performance EVs are limited (at least in the states) to 90-105 MPH. Audi and Jag seem to be limited to 124 MPH. The "performance" EVs limits seem to start at 135 MPH and go up to 164 MPH.

Not sure where Apple would fall in that grouping. Not sure Apple is going to chase the big power game, so they may be closer to Audi/Jag in limits.
 
As far as I can tell most non-performance EVs are limited (at least in the states) to 90-105 MPH. Audi and Jag seem to be limited to 124 MPH. The "performance" EVs limits seem to start at 135 MPH and go up to 164 MPH.

Not sure where Apple would fall in that grouping. Not sure Apple is going to chase the big power game, so they may be closer to Audi/Jag in limits.
I think the joke kinda flew past you. :)
 
Glad to never have to drive in Germany. I would imagine the wrecks there are bad. Must have tons of fatalities

The statistics are out there. Most accidents happen in dense traffic not due to high speed. Add a better driving education and generally speaking a better sense of looking ahead than in other countries. I have encountered way more stupid driving in North America in comparison.
 
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Wish they’d let us write in Deutsch around here. I could use the practice. Colleague of mine recently had a crash on the autobahn. Spent time in the hospital. Happily there were no covid-related capacity problems at the time.

Maybe they give us a sub forum and let us play there. :)
 
Not a bad choice at all in my opinion. Also consider the impact on the environment too. Your car is built and ready. To make a brand new electric car for you or me, all the resources need to be gathered, huge batteries need to be made, parts are shipped, it’s being put together, then shipped again, all of which will cause additional impact on the environment as well. You’ll have to drive that electric car a very very long time to get to a point where its impact on the environment will be lesser than what you have right now.
The average person will make a better impact on the environment by simply keeping their existing car parked 10% more often, waking that distance, keep using the existing car longer , and NOT buying a Tesla or iCar Pro Max 2025.

But all the companies right now are simply aiming to continue mass consumption of cars, with shiny new toy to buy every year. Which does not cut it.
 
The average person will make a better impact on the environment by simply keeping their existing car parked 10% more often, waking that distance, keep using the existing car longer , and NOT buying a Tesla or iCar Pro Max 2025.

But all the companies right now are simply aiming to continue mass consumption of cars, with shiny new toy to buy every year. Which does not cut it.
Been driving my civic since 2013. Has over 210000 miles. Runs great. Doesn’t eat money. I’m keeping it until it falls apart.
 
I'm willing to bet that once Apple gains enough know-how with Hyundai/Kia, they are going to transfer their knowledge back to their Chinese contract vehicle manufacturers, such as Foxconn-Geely.
Again, it is not that easy. Apple needs manufacturing plants in the US, in Europe and Asia to cover all big markets for EVs. Transporting entire cars from China to around the world in ships is expensive and takes weeks, among other problems. With Hyundai, Apple can start mass production only a year after releasing a validated prototype from an engineering and technical point of view. In addition, Hyundai would likely sign a multiyear partnership agreement where Apple would be bound with them for several years. Apple does not have many options on the table and Hyundai knows that.
 
Been driving my civic since 2013. Has over 210000 miles. Runs great. Doesn’t eat money. I’m keeping it until it falls apart.
That tends to be my philosophy as well, as well when I buy to get a 1 or 2 year old low mileage vehicle. My last 2 replacements have been due to accidents, not simply wanting a new car. I had planned to keep my e90 forever until a falling tree branch decided otherwise. I was replaced by my mom's car since she could no longer drive. Typical old lady car, nothing flashy, very low mileage, easy to work on. I expect it to last at least another 10 years with just regular maintenance. Only issues I've had were a busted tie rod from hitting a pothole and a failed wheel bearing; both easy to fix.

Again, it is not that easy. Apple needs manufacturing plants in the US, in Europe and Asia to cover all big markets for EVs. Transporting entire cars from China to around the world in ships is expensive and takes weeks, among other problems.

Economies of scale and production costs often make it cheaper to build and ship rather than build locally. RoRo shipping is not that expensive at scale. It's generally cheaper to build cars for 10 markets at one site than at 10, even if you have to ship. It also helps smooth out demand variance between markets. BMW, for example, builds, with few exceptions, X5's in the US and ships worldwide.

Local production is often the result of political considerations and long term market goals at the expense of costs.

With Hyundai, Apple can start mass production only a year after releasing a validated prototype from an engineering and technical point of view. In addition, Hyundai would likely sign a multiyear partnership agreement where Apple would be bound with them for several years. Apple does not have many options on the table and Hyundai knows that.

True, and Hyundai also is not a Chinese company so there would be less pressure to give up technology as part of the deal.
 
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The average person will make a better impact on the environment by simply keeping their existing car parked 10% more often, waking that distance, keep using the existing car longer , and NOT buying a Tesla or iCar Pro Max 2025.

But all the companies right now are simply aiming to continue mass consumption of cars, with shiny new toy to buy every year. Which does not cut it.
No, the future of transportation is not just walking more. This is silly.
 
No, the future of transportation is not just walking more. This is silly.

The future of transportation is in flux. EV's will clearly play a large part, the question iis what will the mix of vehicles be? Employment patterns will play a roll, as some jobs shift to locals where commutes are short or non-existant, lessening the perceived need for 1 vehicle per working adult. Will we see clusters of dispersed autonomous rental vehicles that are available on short notice?

If workers who can work at home leave cities for lower cost areas to get more space cheaper, other jobs will follow.What about people who can't work from home, especially servcie workers for whom a car is not only a necessity but a large expense? Minibuses whose routes are tailored by demand, not fixed?

Then there is the growing older population who may not want to, or be able to, drive but still are healthy and want mobility.

How many of „us“ are actively posting here?

Ich glaube zwei oder drei mindest
 
... Transporting entire cars from China to around the world in ships is expensive and takes weeks, among other problems. ...

Japan alone exported over 1.7M cars to US in 2019; South Korea is a export-oriented economy whose products are shipped to all over the world by ships and planes. Hyundai/Kia each has a production capacity of 400K in Alabama and Georgia. The process is similar for Made-In-US Tesla's sold in Europe. Why is this a problem all of a sudden? The impulse behind "build-in-US" is not the shipping cost or supply-chain or logistics (many auto parts are actually made in Asia or Mexico), but the reality of economic, political protectionism (ie, tariff).
 
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The impulse behind "build-in-US" is not the shipping cost or supply-chain or logistics (most parts are actually made in Asia or Mexico), but the reality of economic, political protectionism (ie, tariff).

Yup, we even still have "the chicken tax," which was the reason the Subaru BRAT had rear facing seats in the bed making it a passenger vehicle, not a light truck.
 
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My guess is they were not interested in partnering with Apple. They wouldn’t be in control yet taking much of the risk while diluting their brand, and Porsche lacks the production capacity and thus unlikely to switch from Porsches to something less lucrative.

Hmm. A valid point there. Didn't think about Porche's lack of production capacity.

I would've thought Tesla and Apple would make great partners seeing as they both like to innovate technology.
 
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