Here, here. I think that any post that uses the term "fanboy" or any of it's forms should get nuked immediately. I'm really tired of the childish nonsense on these forums.
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I am taking a serious look at XOOM -Apple App Store Policy Fallout Thread
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Here, here. I think that any post that uses the term "fanboy" or any of it's forms should get nuked immediately. I'm really tired of the childish nonsense on these forums.
netflix is great. they were hurting everyone, not just blockbuster. they made deals with several studios to provide newer releases later in exchange for more streaming titles. streaming is a big part of what they do now.
since you arent renting them, the studios get a chance to sale you the dvd and netflix gets more movies to provide to their customers.
since you arent renting them, the studios get a chance to sale you the dvd and netflix gets more movies to provide to their customers.
Yes nuke them all. Make the droidhead fanboy name callers go down in shame.
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Agreed. Everyone has different needs and wants for phones, computers, cars, etc. Get whatever meets the most of those needs and don't worry about what other people choose to use.
Problem here is its just not that easy to walk away from many of these, chosing one is commiting alot of dollars to something that may be useless it it takes another turn....
Sucks but I think the right move it still just to sit it out for me, hopefully apple gets it right or it becomes clear they didn't.
Whichever it is, I really hope its settled in the next 16 months...I'll be up for a new phone, id like to have some integration between my phone/tablet, HP's just scratching the surface with being able to get texts pop up on your tablet, would love to see apple ease up a bit on the throttle with content providers and make owning BOTH the iphone and pad together meaningful in everyday useful ways.
I wasn't planning on upgrading my iPad for another year so I'll just bide my time and see what's happening this time next year.
If Apple have lost a lot of content due to this subscription charge and other platforms have content and applications that suit my needs better, I'll have to consider moving to an alternative platform.
However, if (as I suspect will happen), the content providers stamp their feet for a bit and eventually come to a compromise deal with Apple, I'll happily upgrade to a new iPad
Ultimately, I couldn't care less whether Apple are squeezing content providers or not: that's not my argument to have. The only thing I care about is whether the iPad and other iOS devices suit my needs and if they continue to do so, I'm not about to stop using them out of some misplaced sense of outrage
If Apple have lost a lot of content due to this subscription charge and other platforms have content and applications that suit my needs better, I'll have to consider moving to an alternative platform.
However, if (as I suspect will happen), the content providers stamp their feet for a bit and eventually come to a compromise deal with Apple, I'll happily upgrade to a new iPad
Ultimately, I couldn't care less whether Apple are squeezing content providers or not: that's not my argument to have. The only thing I care about is whether the iPad and other iOS devices suit my needs and if they continue to do so, I'm not about to stop using them out of some misplaced sense of outrage
Agreed! this is also my thought on it, I really could care less what the details of thier arrangement is just dont want the functionality to be cut at the knees due to a pissing match, and I hope the waters for apps devs stay warm....anyone know the details of Androids marketplace as far as the apps go? Still 30%?
I would imagine if so, it wont be long before google heavily undercuts apple there as well, particularly if thier hardware partners continue to have trouble undercutting the price of the hardware, which obviously wasn't the case with phones.
In that respect google and moto and Co still have moves to make there. If they cant compete with apple on hardware price, the only way to cut apple will be making the dev deals particularly enticing.....
This is something that Android can do but wont make sense for HP and RIM because even if they did the installed base just wont be there.
Worth remembering that this subscription pricing model won't actually affect one-man-band app developers, or the little man at all. It's aimed entirely at Big Media, which can afford this kind of thing.
not a change at all
Actually, it is funny that you all are so up in arms about this.
This is not a change in policy at all. Apple has always taken
a 30% portion on all sales on the app store, and I am sure this has been there cut on itunes too. The policy didn't even change, all that they are doing is enforcing it.
As I listen to you crybaby's I know that very few of you have been in business or even taken classes in business. All Stores providing products to you take more than a 30 percent markup on their products. That is true of every store in the country including walmart, and including all the dot com stores.
Its funny that all of you assume that your buying from the developer, you are buying from Apple. They are the store providing space for the developer.
The developer getting 70% of the gross sales, is almost un heard of, and is why Apple is so successful, and why in their heart of hearts all of the developers want to have their products on Apple's app store.
Anybody who assumes that this thread is not to ignite "the fanboys" you just have to look at the first paragraph where he shows his intent. It is also where he shows his ignorance
Actually, it is funny that you all are so up in arms about this.
This is not a change in policy at all. Apple has always taken
a 30% portion on all sales on the app store, and I am sure this has been there cut on itunes too. The policy didn't even change, all that they are doing is enforcing it.
As I listen to you crybaby's I know that very few of you have been in business or even taken classes in business. All Stores providing products to you take more than a 30 percent markup on their products. That is true of every store in the country including walmart, and including all the dot com stores.
Its funny that all of you assume that your buying from the developer, you are buying from Apple. They are the store providing space for the developer.
The developer getting 70% of the gross sales, is almost un heard of, and is why Apple is so successful, and why in their heart of hearts all of the developers want to have their products on Apple's app store.
Anybody who assumes that this thread is not to ignite "the fanboys" you just have to look at the first paragraph where he shows his intent. It is also where he shows his ignorance
You call me ignorant. Really lets don't play that card. Apple made developers pay for selling apps not the content itself. They may have had the policy to charge for content but did not enforce it until now.
Apple is now taking a a cut for content. Big difference.
How would you like it if Apple started taking a cut for all the content that went through macbooks by essentially creating this same type of policy. I see no difference between a macbook and ipad which I consider almost my laptop replacement. Heck maybe every platform including broadband providers start charging a toll for content delivery. Maybe broadband providers could even charge Apple 30% for delivering itunes content over their pipes. Would the fanboys not cry foul broadband providers yet defend Apple for these types of policies. Sounds ludicrous and would cost the consumer but is essentially what Apple is going to do.
My definition of a fanboy is not someone who likes Apples products. I like Apples products. A fanboy is someone who defends Apple even when they do something stupid that exerts more and more control.
Apple is now taking a a cut for content. Big difference.
How would you like it if Apple started taking a cut for all the content that went through macbooks by essentially creating this same type of policy. I see no difference between a macbook and ipad which I consider almost my laptop replacement. Heck maybe every platform including broadband providers start charging a toll for content delivery. Maybe broadband providers could even charge Apple 30% for delivering itunes content over their pipes. Would the fanboys not cry foul broadband providers yet defend Apple for these types of policies. Sounds ludicrous and would cost the consumer but is essentially what Apple is going to do.
My definition of a fanboy is not someone who likes Apples products. I like Apples products. A fanboy is someone who defends Apple even when they do something stupid that exerts more and more control.
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The main reason I love the iPad is the apps. If they start disappearing and showing up on competitor's tablets, I would get something else.
In way, I think Apple has a point. I would not have bought kindle books or a kindle for out in the sun if I did not have the kindle app on my iPad and iPhone. I would not have Zinio and several magazine subscriptions if they weren't on the iPad. I would have rhapsody, but I bet they picked up quite a few subscribers after they became available on iOS.
Apple has created a bigger marketplace for them, so I am not surprised they are asking for a large cut. However, now I have used these apps and it would be a big disappointment to lose them now. I will not be jumping ship on speculation, though. I will wait to see what happens.
In way, I think Apple has a point. I would not have bought kindle books or a kindle for out in the sun if I did not have the kindle app on my iPad and iPhone. I would not have Zinio and several magazine subscriptions if they weren't on the iPad. I would have rhapsody, but I bet they picked up quite a few subscribers after they became available on iOS.
Apple has created a bigger marketplace for them, so I am not surprised they are asking for a large cut. However, now I have used these apps and it would be a big disappointment to lose them now. I will not be jumping ship on speculation, though. I will wait to see what happens.
have already made up my mind on getting the xoom. $600 for wifi version is a good deal.
Xoom + the new 13" mbp will be a solid combination.
is it going to be $600? i keep reading ~799. is there official pricing anywhere?
I think you missed the point here. No one is arguing that Apple is taking 30% of an app purchase, that's always been the case. Also, they have always charged 30% for in app purchases, like extra levels in a game.
The issue here is that now they want to force content providers to shell out 30%, like the Amazon Kindle app. They want to take Amazons ability to sell content from the app (currently in the form of a link to their website) and force them to sell books as an in app purchase, with Apple taking 30%.
It's the equivalent of Microsoft creating a "Windows payment system," and taking 30% of every song sold through iTunes on Windows. Doesn't make much sense, does it?
Here is a link in another thread, courtesy of Mad Mac Maniac. Engadget is reporting $600 for WiFi only and $799 unsubsidized on Verizon.
I am getting ipad 2 blindly.
Yes, Xoom spec wise looks decent. But w/ google product(where they do not control both software and hardware), I see that after 3 month, your product is no longer getting any attention. Knowing them, after you buy Xoom, 3 month later, they will be releasing something brand spanking new and your tablet will be ignored by them.
I currently have droid-X and HATE it since it became POS after 3 month of being released. It really blows.
Also, netflix? REally? They have nothing but old movies on it for streaming. Do people like to pay and watch old movies on their tablet?
Kindle is decent.
But where is air video for droid? Where is "plants vs zombie" for droid? Problem w/ google is that they release hot software after 1 year or more later when ios had it since the begining. Can someone answer why???
Yes, Xoom spec wise looks decent. But w/ google product(where they do not control both software and hardware), I see that after 3 month, your product is no longer getting any attention. Knowing them, after you buy Xoom, 3 month later, they will be releasing something brand spanking new and your tablet will be ignored by them.
I currently have droid-X and HATE it since it became POS after 3 month of being released. It really blows.
Also, netflix? REally? They have nothing but old movies on it for streaming. Do people like to pay and watch old movies on their tablet?
Kindle is decent.
But where is air video for droid? Where is "plants vs zombie" for droid? Problem w/ google is that they release hot software after 1 year or more later when ios had it since the begining. Can someone answer why???
Update so I could do what? watch screen move bit faster? watch new wallpaper move? Droid update is useless. They concentrate on the most stupid and useless stuff. Fancy UI is great for few minutes but at the end of the day, you still need apps that you can really use it for.
I did root'd and updated at earliest available dates.. Still no apps to my liking. Maybe update is available but certainly them keep making new device every month is discouraging from owner's perspective. I rather wait whole year knowing that at least my device is the center of company's attention.(maybe I am fool to believe this.. but whatever)
Same as you
I too for the past week now find my self looking at the xoom more and more the open os and being able to return apps just seem like things i would like..plus flash lets not forget about that crap....idk maybe its just because there is no iPad 2 to love yet i do love my current iPad but its getting old i need a new tablet and am sick of waiting on apple to get their crap together
I too for the past week now find my self looking at the xoom more and more the open os and being able to return apps just seem like things i would like..plus flash lets not forget about that crap....idk maybe its just because there is no iPad 2 to love yet i do love my current iPad but its getting old i need a new tablet and am sick of waiting on apple to get their crap together
good point man wow im glad i read that, really tho android is on anything and everything i guess really what makes xoom so special because it was motos feature at CES this year? Apple will dominate like always because of just that they release 1 and done for that year.....besides improving it through out the year
All the Honeycomb tablets announced are stock Honeycomb, so there shouldn't be any delays once Google ships the next version of OS.
Ok, like I said.
But are they preventing them from being sold on their website or just making them offer the books through in app purchase too? And are they preventing the consumer from going to their website to download it anyways?
I don't think this analogy holds water. It is more like a sales company saying we will guarantee that your product is available, and to do that we want a 30% cut. You don't have to buy it from them, but it is easier, as a convenience. Now, you as the book publisher have to decide if it is worth being in front of these millions of people who have ipads, for that 30% cut.