I am taking a serious look at XOOM -Apple App Store Policy Fallout Thread

[faith4more]

Really did not want to go to Android. Although after seeing Honeycomb I do. What I am doing is moving out now to make sure I don't get locked up by Apple. Problem is more apps you buy etc the harder it becomes to leave the platform. So I don't want to get stuck in the future. No publishers have left Apple but in my opinion handwriting is on the wall.

That being said I still own a boat load of Apple hardware that I will keep. Just sold my ipad that is all.

No publishers have left iOS because of this policy yet and so because they possibly might in the future you are moving to Android. Sounds more like you already wanted to go andriod and this just gave you a reason. Just seems odd to switch on what might but hasn't happened.

 

[Mad Mac Maniac]

Really did not want to go to Android. Although after seeing Honeycomb I do. What I am doing is moving out now to make sure I don't get locked up by Apple. Problem is more apps you buy etc the harder it becomes to leave the platform. So I don't want to get stuck in the future. No publishers have left Apple but in my opinion handwriting is on the wall.

No publishers will leave. But you can. It's not like it's our duty to keep you here. I just hope you aren't kicking yourself after this summer with iPad 2 and iOS 5

 

[faith4more]

I started it simply out of frustration with where Apple is going. If you consider a person a Troll who has spent thousands of dollars on Apple products and even encouraged others to do so but has become frustrated with Apple then so be it.

Yes I use a little humor in my posts. Yes I might even be guilty of trying to bring a few fanboys out but not out of spite. It is more because I like a good debate. Try not to attack anyone personally like you are doing.

Fath4More... Why did you start this thread if you are not trolling? No one in this forum cares what computer, phone or tablet you (or I) buy.

I have ALWAYS considered a "troll" to be a person that starts a thread for one of several main reasons - 1) lonely and looking for digital human interaction, even if it is someone yelling at them online.. 2) they want a good laugh while people get worked up over their staged comment(s) or 3) they are genuinely anti-(insert product name here) and start the flame war out of spite.

Faith4More, i'd bet $5 you fall into one of those 3 choices, so you fit my own idea of a troll just fine. Lets not have you pretend you did not start this thread planning it from the beginning for whatever reason you saw fit...

That being said, Mr. Troll, I encourage you to exercise your right to buy WHATEVER computer, phone or tablet that works best for your income, your technical needs or your moral/ethical compass. That's what is great the about choices we have nowadays with technology. But you are still a thread troll in my book.

Unless Apple compromises that is my prediction. Problem is I don't want to continue to invest and then Apple stay on this path.

That doesn't make the least bit sense. The app store fallout from the subscription revenue? Why should that make you, the consumer, leave... it only makes the experience better for the consumer. The potential fallout is if all the devs leave iOS (like hulu, netflix, amazon etc). If this were to occur the app ecosystem would be crippled causing consumer dissatisfaction causing the users to leave.

You really can't leave now as a result of that. That's not rational. Unless you are predicting that Hulu, netflix etc will enivitably all leave prior to this summer, in which case you are protecting yourself from digging yourself further into the apple ecosystem. But I seriously, seriously doubt this is going to bite the consumer. either a) most of the devs will bit the bullet, b) apple will submit to some compromise, or c)apple will be ordered to change based on legal reasons. option d) all devs leaving and the app ecosystem crumbling on top of it self, is not going to happen. I can almost guarentee it

edit: and even if netflix, hulu, amazon etc leave, we already have the apps on our device. the only problem would be no more updates.

 

[Madmic23]

I started it simply out of frustration with where Apple is going. If you consider a person a Troll who has spent thousands of dollars on Apple products and even encouraged others to do so but has become frustrated with Apple then so be it.

Yes I use a little humor in my posts. Yes I might even be guilty of trying to bring a few fanboys out but not out of spite. It is more because I like a good debate. Try not to attack anyone personally like you are doing.

I don't think you're a troll, just someone expressing frustration with the direction Apple is going. I see you're point of view and feel your frustration as well.

 

[Piggie]

I refuse point blank to buy any media tied to a specific piece of hardware.

I will make every effort to get my Music, Movies and Books from places that allow me to use the items on any device I buy this year, next year or in 5, 10, 20+ years time.

Apple hardware is nice, well designed and beautifully made, albeit perhaps not as cutting edge tech wise as I would like.
That I'm fine with.

However apart from apps for the device, games and utilities.
I refuse point blank to ever buy any media at all from Apple.

 

[ZBoater]

I don't think you're a troll, just someone expressing frustration with the direction Apple is going. I see you're point of view and feel your frustration as well.

+1

I love my iPad as it was truly a magical device. Seriously. The thing broke new ground and changed the way I consume electronic information. However, given a choice like the Xoom, and in light of Apple's policies, I'll jump ship in a heartbeat.

Apple already got some of my money, and for sure will make billions more. They won't miss me.

 

[Consultant]

While iOS is a closed marketplace, from a consumer's perspective its a better marketplace then google's as you have company over-seeing and approving what can be sold. The downside is that you have to live within their eco-system.

Wow, someone falls for Google marketing easily. So you are saying downside of iOS is "you have to live within their eco-system" in terms of Apps.

When did Android have the open, portable apps that are open to other platforms? Oh that's right, Android is closed to other platforms. PS. Android software isn't even open (compatible) to most Android devices, you have to live within the limited number of Android Java applets.

Answer me this, if Android is so open and successful, why are Android developers not making much money from it?

 

[Funkymonk]

Fath4More... Why did you start this thread if you are not trolling? No one in this forum cares what computer, phone or tablet you (or I) buy.

I have ALWAYS considered a "troll" to be a person that starts a thread for one of several main reasons - 1) lonely and looking for digital human interaction, even if it is someone yelling at them online.. 2) they want a good laugh while people get worked up over their staged comment(s) or 3) they are genuinely anti-(insert product name here) and start the flame war out of spite.

Faith4More, i'd bet $5 you fall into one of those 3 choices, so you fit my own idea of a troll just fine. Lets not have you pretend you did not start this thread planning it from the beginning for whatever reason you saw fit...

That being said, Mr. Troll, I encourage you to exercise your right to buy WHATEVER computer, phone or tablet that works best for your income, your technical needs or your moral/ethical compass. That's what is great the about choices we have nowadays with technology. But you are still a thread troll in my book.

You're kinda sounding like a troll now.

 

[gatearray]

Wow, so much moral outrage over things that may or may not be real from Android enthusiasts in the macrumors iPad forum!

Makes sense though when you think about it. Many of these same people are busting a nut over a piece of kit they've never seen, never touched, and that may or may not be real. They see this proposition through the rosiest rose-colored glass, though. After all, they want to customize their home page, dammit!

"Mean ol' Apple! You remind me of my Dad who won't let me stay out late or eat candy for dinner.... I HATE THIS PLACE!" [slams bedroom door and blasts Fall Out Boy at maximum volume]

Speaking of fallout, App Policy "fallout", really??? I dunno, sounds sort of made up...

Still, I never knew about the apparent high ethical and moral fiber of teenagers these days before reading this thread. Thanks for the insight, boys.

 

[GFLPraxis]

- The subscription rules - seem quite overbearing, but I'm not a content provider so it doesn't affect me.

It may effect you if Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Ebay, etc pull their apps.

 

[Gryzor]

Apple continues to tighten control. I am a big Apple product user. Everyone in my family has an ios device. But this subscription policy just irks me and makes me wonder about future. I don't want to be locked into Apple forever but they continue to push down that road.

For the first time I am taking a serious look at Xoom. Honeycomb looks great. This is the first time I have looked away from ipad.

Let the fallout begin and the fanboys defend.

If you want to move to Honeycomb, do it. Don't go fishing for reasons why or why not in a forum, it's just the lowest form of trolling, but that was your intent, right?

Nobody here is going to lose any sleep regardless.

 

[ucfgrad93]

It may effect you if Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Ebay, etc pull their apps.

Agreed, it only affects us IF those companies pull their apps.

 

[Cha]

Agreed, it only affects us IF those companies pull their apps.

I agree... it is a big IF right now, mainly because the majority of people willing to purchase apps seem to be on the iOS platforms. We'll have to see how that changes over time though.

 

[hcho3]

You talk like Xoom won't have any issues...

Android tablet is in first generation and this OS has yet to be proven. That alone scares me enough to stay away. Xoom also starts at 600 dollars. It's 100 dollars more than iPad. I don't want to pay more to get a tablet that is not proven yet by public.

By having apps like netflix on app store, netflix makes more money because they get more iOs users to sign up for netflix. Samething goes for everyone else including kindle, Hulu and etc.

Apple isn't a charity company. While I am not sure I agree with whole 30/70 split thing, I fully understand why apple is asking money from developers.

 

[mabaker]

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Loving the android fanboiis chiming in. As if subscribtion policies had any influence whatsoever on Apple's impeccable quality compared to the plasticness of 99% of android devices out there.

 

[Cha]

I fully understand why apple is asking money from developers.

Apple is providing the interface the exposes users to the apps and content. I can understand asking for money from most developers/publishers. But at the same time, companies like Amazon (I think) can pretty much stand on their own.

On the other hand, I only got Hulu Plus because of the iPad integration. I would have no problems dropping Hulu Plus if it leaves the iPad...

 

[PhoneI]

For those that are thinking about the Xoom, I would definitely consider Motorola's abysmal history on support of their products. Just ask the owners of the Cliq XT that got totally lied to from Motorola. If you do buy a Xoom, dont expect any upgrades. I have owned many Motorola devices in the past. I never will again.

I think 30 percent is a little excessive, but Apple has somewhat of a point. I never would have subscribed to Netflix or purchased a Kindle book, or subscribed to the Wall Street Journal and the NY Post (a little embarrassed about this one) if I did not own an iPad.

 

[NDDL05]

If you want to move to Honeycomb, do it. Don't go fishing for reasons why or why not in a forum, it's just the lowest form of trolling, but that was your intent, right?

Nobody here is going to lose any sleep regardless.

Isn't that the entire point of a "forum" to begin with?

 

[rienrah]

Answer me this, if Android is so open and successful, why are Android developers not making much money from it?

Hey, I love Apple, but this point is flawed. There are many, many great products, even put out by strong companies, that fail for reasons other than lack of quality.

Whatever happened to Betamax? lol

 

[yodaxl7]

Really did not want to go to Android. Although after seeing Honeycomb I do. What I am doing is moving out now to make sure I don't get locked up by Apple. Problem is more apps you buy etc the harder it becomes to leave the platform. So I don't want to get stuck in the future. No publishers have left Apple but in my opinion handwriting is on the wall.

That being said I still own a boat load of Apple hardware that I will keep. Just sold my ipad that is all.

Honeycomb is not bad, but the ecosystem is not great. I am sure it will get better. I like my iPad a lot!! I am planning to get the iPad 2. I may keep the first one and jailbrake it. I am a new apple fanboy and proud. I never had a great experience with pc computers. However, in reflection, I think in the past the software was growing faster than hardware and now it is the reverse. Then again, flash is what killed most pc. I don't like the bloatware flash. So, enjoy flash on your honeycomb!! I bet the new iPad has 15 hour battery life. It is not about specs but rather value. As you know, best apps come to apple first.

 

[jvmxtra]

Honeycomb is not bad, but the ecosystem is not great. I am sure it will get better. I like my iPad a lot!! I am planning to get the iPad 2. I may keep the first one and jailbrake it. I am a new apple fanboy and proud. I never had a great experience with pc computers. However, in reflection, I think in the past the software was growing faster than hardware and now it is the reverse. Then again, flash is what killed most pc. I don't like the bloatware flash. So, enjoy flash on your honeycomb!! I bet the new iPad has 15 hour battery life. It is not about specs but rather value. As you know, best apps come to apple first.

Agreed 100%

 

[Mitchrapp]

You talk like Xoom won't have any issues...

Android tablet is in first generation and this OS has yet to be proven. That alone scares me enough to stay away. Xoom also starts at 600 dollars. It's 100 dollars more than iPad. I don't want to pay more to get a tablet that is not proven yet by public.

By having apps like netflix on app store, netflix makes more money because they get more iOs users to sign up for netflix. Samething goes for everyone else including kindle, Hulu and etc.

Apple isn't a charity company. While I am not sure I agree with whole 30/70 split thing, I fully understand why apple is asking money from developers.

Making points are one thing but don't bring up 600 dollars when it has more things on it that the equivalent iPad. That's just dumb.

 

[beg_ne]

Making points are one thing but don't bring up 600 dollars when it has more things on it that the equivalent iPad. That's just dumb.

Speaking of dumb comparisons. Pretending like specs mean anything when you're comparing a not-even-released tablet vs. a tablet that has been out nearly a year and will most likely receive major hardware upgrades yearly.

 

[yodaxl7]

Making points are one thing but don't bring up 600 dollars when it has more things on it that the equivalent iPad. That's just dumb.

Also, it not just hardware specs. iPad 1 has over 60,000 apps. Plus, it has itune! It has time exclusive apps, ie. Deadspace from EA. Plus, Xoom is not yet and iPad 2 is likely to come out in April. You can also expect, there will be some exclusive apps taking advantage of iPad 2's hardware. By iPad 2, there will be 2nd or 3rd generation apps!!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Also, it not just hardware specs. iPad 1 has over 60,000 apps. Plus, it has itune! It has time exclusive apps, ie. Deadspace from EA. Plus, Xoom is not yet and iPad 2 is likely to come out in April. You can also expect, there will be some exclusive apps taking advantage of iPad 2's hardware. By iPad 2, there will be 2nd or 3rd generation apps!!

Then compare those, not the price. Who knows maybe the iPad 2 is 600.