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You'd think the underdog supporters would have switched to Linux by now. :cool: Honestly, I don't know if that's still true about the majority of mac users, though it certainly was in the past.

As for me personally, I wouldn't use an OS out of ideological reasons. I'm pragmatic - I use what works best for me.
In my view every commercial company is profit orientated, and if that means alienating people, or blindsiding people in order to get more profits, it will be done. Hence I find it hard to 'like' or 'sympathize with' a company, no matter where it stands in the marketplace.

About Microsoft...considering all the fab - and I mean FAB - charity work Gates has done / is doing as a result of his companies position in the market, I could well imagine there's worse things you could be doing with your money than purchasing from Microsoft.

Bill Gates has done tons of great things for people, despite some questionable business tactics in the beginning of MS. In the world of business, I consider him a pretty decent guy these days.

And MS is by far not the most evil company in technology. That glorious title belongs to either Oracle or Cisco. :D
 
Bill Gates has done tons of great things for people, despite some questionable business tactics in the beginning of MS. In the world of business, I consider him a pretty decent guy these days.

And MS is by far not the most evil company in technology. That glorious title belongs to either Oracle or Cisco. :D

Indeed, I actually really respect the guy. He's not perfect but hey, compared to Madoff, he's an angel! ;)
 
I think the majority of all mac owners are by nature, "underdog" supporters first and foremost.



I'm gonna have to disagree.. Apple's market share is a bit to large for that type of attitude to be "all mac owners". and when you look at the halo effect from the iPod, you see more and more switch moving over, who are really just looking for computers that work, and they think Apple will give me that.


Real underdog supports would run Linux(but Ubuntu might be too "mainstream now" for some) or Solaris, or some other OS with less then 1% market share.
 
Really? You haven't even seen Snow Leopard outside of the leaked screenshots of a few new functions.
And neither have you. But one theme seems to run true with SL... that is, it's not going to be the massive leap that warrants a new feline name (like Bobcat or something :D). Sounds mainly like 64-bit catchup to me. Win7 will cause Apple plenty of concern.

Look who's calling who a fanboy? You're a PC fanboy if you are going to dismiss an OS that hasn't even been released to the public nor have we seen what it will look like or do.
This is my whole point about bible thumping mac users. Now I'm a PC fanboy because I'm going to skip an upgrade? I personally skipped Vista and went straight to OSX for my own needs.

Hmm, never seen the Mac OS try to look and act like Windows.
Yeah sure... that's why macs run windows and why SL will most likely read and write NTFS files. ;)

All I'm saying is chill out and quit slobbering over the mac so much - it's just a tool to me like Vista is to others. "Pretty" and "Cute" are fine if that's your thing - it just ain't mine. I jumped to a mac mainly for my photography biz and the magnificent color profiling which macs are famous for. That and the declining quality in PC units these days.
 
Ooh! I want to play!

When you show me Macs that are equal to PCs at the same price, then we can talk...

Define equal.

...By Apple fans, not by many. iPhoto is the only app that most people will ever use...

PDF files are useless anyway.

And you'd replace them with what?

And not being able to read PDF file is nowhere near as bad as not being able to handle external displays right.

I'm sorry you've had trouble with displays, but for me, it's Windows 7 that can't seem to figure out I have two monitors attached and that I want the Taskbar and my icons to stay in the same place every time I restart.

I'll say that PCs are better value for the money...

Biased, meaningless statement.

Don't forget that OS X doesn't have a 64-bit version of Photoshop either.

Not the fault of Apple; therefore moot. (It isn't moot's fault, either.)

Thats subjective. I find Windows to be more logically laid out. It's easier to start software that you don't have pinned to the dock/taskbar, and its easier to navigate where one needs to be.

That's subjective. Leave it be.

Installing software is easier in OS X, but uninstalling it is a hassle, considering you have to hunt down endless files and folders all over the HDD.

That's better than not being able to uninstall software, like in Windows, which will re-install everything upon a restart (Vista).

Hunting down left behind files as well as running Onyx takes no less time than ccleaner and Disk Defrag in Windows.

Except that you don't really have to do it for OS X.

Don't get me started on OS X's instability. I've had Tiger and Leopard crash more combined than I've ever had Windows (all versions combined) crash in the nearly 2 decades I've been using Windows.

Personal experience, not representative of the collective body of thought deemed accurate.

...thats better than the MacBook Pro because its actually a 16x9 aspect ratio and not 16x10.

Subjective like nobody's business. :confused: Screw 16x9, and that's also subjective. Neither is better than the other. End of story.

Besides, even Vista Basic still looks better than the depressing grey of OS X.

Subjective.

Only Home Premium and Pro will be available to consumers. Ultimate and the other versions will only be available to specific customers.

Are you listening to yourself? Ultimate and Professional will be available at any store. Starter and Enterprise are the only ones that will be hard to obtain.

You don't need $500 GPUs to play games. Those are just high end products for the people who want the best. Cheaper GPUs that cost around $200 can play any game at high settings and will be able to for at least a couple of years to come.

Holy cow, we agree. :D

I have yet to see anyone prove that OS X does as much as Windows does.

The reverse is also true. Define "does".

And Apple's customer support, again, is no better than the rest.

Testing (for years) shows otherwise.

And what do you mean you won't need to? Downloaded movies from iTunes and Amazon and Netflix can't even begin to compare to blu-ray quality. You're comparing half the resolution with sometimes as little as 1/10th the bitrate as well as overly compressed audio (compared to lossless and uncompressed on blu-ray).. theres just no comparison, blu-ray is light years ahead of downloadable movies. Plus you have to take into consideration the fact that the average broadband connection worldwide (even in the US) isn't even capable of streaming one of those so-called high definition films in real time.

Agreeing aside: For more on this, please see my previous posts on the state of Blu-ray and its place in Macs and all future computing hardware for the next six to seven years.

Apple is pretty much the only company NOT supporting HDMI at the moment.

Since HDMI is for televisions, it makes sense that Apple wouldn't put it on their computers.

the software is incredibly limited and unstable.

Personal experience, not representative of the collective body of thought deemed accurate.

I use multiple external displays on my Mac. In Windows, it remembers each display and how each one is configured and defaults to that configuration each time.

Not my experience.

...VGA... Yeah that makes sense.

Supporting a port outdated in 1999. THAT makes sense.

Oh, and every respectable display made in the last 3 or so years has included HDMI.

And that I just don't understand. Nice if you use your display for a TV, but worthless otherwise.

In OS X I'd have to click on each individual one to preview it.

Command+A, Spacebar.

Care to explain how 16x10 is better than 16x9?

Care to explain how 16x9 is better than 16x9? Subjective.

If you want proof of Home Premium and Pro being the only units available to consumers, I suggest you read the news.

Sorry, with all the quoting, I have no clue if you are talking about Vista or Seven. If you're talking about Seven, that's nonsense. If you're talking about Vista, that's nonsense.

First of all, the iMac screen is terrible. It's a mirror.

Yep, glossy sucks. But that's subjective.

Second, for that price, you can build a system that would mop the floor with the Mac Pro and still have several hundred dollars left over.

Entirely incorrect.

The form factor argument fails with notebooks too. Why? Again, choice. Apple doesn't give you a choice of what you can buy. Its either the one thing or nothing at all.

So don't buy it. It has worked for them so far. The majority of the population doesn't give a frick.

I was talking about monitors and built-in functionality, such as being able to properly set up multiple displays... That sort of functionality is built into EVERY OS that is NOT Mac OS.

Not my experience. Windows can't do it right.

All you do is say "personal experience" despite the fact that hundreds of links on google will back up everything I say.

So link to some of these Google hits. I'd like to see how many people are doing it wrong.

Fingerprint readers aren't at all about security. They're completely about convenience. Want to log into the OS? Swipe your finger. Log into MacRumors? Swipe your finger.

Log into... ah, frig. It's gummed up and won't sense anything.


Downloadable video is definitely NOT the future.

Agreed, not the foreseeable future, anyway.

as well as the DRM problems that come with digital distribution.

As opposed to the lack thereof with disk media...;)

If I want to watch it on a bigger screen I need the right adapters and cables or else HDCP kicks in and I can't watch it. I also can't transfer it to disc to watch on another player.

That's... not Apple at all. That's Sony's consortium of frigtards who came up with the Blu-ray DRM.

I believe that it is obvious that you refuse to listen to anything that any of us have to say, and are no better than a troll.
Let me be perfectly clear: TROLLS ON BOTH SIDES ARE EQUALLY WORTHLESS. No one wants to see someone touting Windows without regard for anyone's opinions on OS X, and no one wants to see someone touting OS X without regard for anyone's opinions on Windows.

You fall into the first category.

It has already been posted!!

Just link your arguments! No need to create wall of texts....

Hey! Where have I seen that before? :D Oh, and I tried shrinking the text, but it didn't shrink the quotes. Ah, well.
 
Apple's market share is a bit to large for that type of attitude to be "all mac owners".
I said "majority" of all mac owners. That officially gives me some wiggle room. :D

and when you look at the halo effect from the iPod, you see more and more switch moving over, who are really just looking for computers that work, and they think Apple will give me that.
Can't argue with this.

Real underdog supports would run Linux(but Ubuntu might be too "mainstream now" for some) or Solaris, or some other OS with less then 1% market share.
Here I disagree. I'm still new enough to the macworld to consider myself "looking in from the outside". I just can't see people forking over the extra dough for a mac while 90% of the world seems to do fine with a cheaper windows unit. Instead... I think a good chunk of mac users are fanatical about their machines. Proud - evangelistic almost. Nothing wrong with "big brother defiance" as a motive to switch I suppose. I've nothing to base this on mind you... just my experience with a lot of mac people.
 
I said "majority" of all mac owners. That officially gives me some wiggle room. :D

Can't argue with this.

Here I disagree. I'm still new enough to the macworld to consider myself "looking in from the outside". I just can't see people forking over the extra dough for a mac while 90% of the world seems to do fine with a cheaper windows unit. Instead... I think a good chunk of mac users are fanatical about their machines. Proud - evangelistic almost. Nothing wrong with "big brother defiance" as a motive to switch I suppose. I've nothing to base this on mind you... just my experience with a lot of mac people.

Macs are and always have been about perceived value. If you see the value in the OS and happen to like the hardware, then it's a good value.

If you don't see the value, then that's fine. There are plenty of options (and even different OSes) out there for you.

Even though I like Windows XP/7, I still think that if I had a different laptop as my main machine I'd be running Ubuntu 64-bit. It's just a stronger, overall more stable OS in my experience.
 
Macs are and always have been about perceived value. If you see the value in the OS and happen to like the hardware, then it's a good value.

If you don't see the value, then that's fine. There are plenty of options (and even different OSes) out there for you.

Even though I like Windows XP/7, I still think that if I had a different laptop as my main machine I'd be running Ubuntu 64-bit. It's just a stronger, overall more stable OS in my experience.

I just got Ubuntu the other day and I'll be trying it for fun. I like how you can boot from the disk to try it w/o downloading it to a computer 1st. After I move I'll give it a try.
 
Since HDMI is for televisions, it makes sense that Apple wouldn't put it on their computers.

hdmi on almost every monitor i've checked recently also supports hdmi. my graphics card also supports hdmi. from my understanding - dell doesn't support hdmi due to wanting to avoid licensing fees. if thats true or not - i don't know.

- i thought leopard osx was 64bit - so why are there some threads questioning if the current macbooks will support 64bit?

- in snow leopard the max amount of ram will be increased. is there any firmware that apple can release to increase the amount of ram that can be recognized in the macbooks?

- does anyone know why Adobe DOESN'T release a 64 bit version of their products?
 
Ooh! I want to play!
Are you listening to yourself? Ultimate and Professional will be available at any store. Starter and Enterprise are the only ones that will be hard to obtain.

I agree with most everything else, but with Windows 7 the widely-available retail versions will be Home Premium and Professional.

Starter will probably be available from OEMs on Netbooks.

Home Basic is mostly for developing countries.

Enterprise is for ... enterprises.

And Ultimate will mostly be available through special promotions, through electronic upgrade, or from OEMs with high-end workstation PCs and the like. The only real reason for Ultimate with Vista was to have both the domain features of Business and the Media Center features of Home Premium, but this time around Professional will include all of the media stuff and will be the main 'Power User' OS.

So, like he said, most computers and retail copies will be either Home Premium or Professional. :)
 
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