I couldn't argue back...

[RiCEADDiCTBOY]

- you reply was a little confusing. maybe because i am exhausted and work at the hospital is a bit slow. but, the information on the disc isn't always going to be the latest. driver updates are some of the best ways to squeeze out performance and stability especially in terms of gaming.

- still my question on can i increase the partition allocated for windows being able to increase without the need to reformat hasn't been answered.

- so that mini dp wouldn't work for me. is there ANY solution to where i can utilize my macbook to connect with video AND sound to my hdtv?

anyone?

 

[zap2]

anyone?

I don't think you can change the size of the Windows or OS X partition once they are made, at least I couldn't find a way to do it when I went to play with Boot Camp Assistant.

Sounds depends what the TV supports and if you have an external speaker system...do you(have external speakers)?

 

[RiCEADDiCTBOY]

I don't think you can change the size of the Windows or OS X partition once they are made, at least I couldn't find a way to do it when I went to play with Boot Camp Assistant.

Sounds depends what the TV supports and if you have an external speaker system...do you(have external speakers)?

sorry for my ignorance on the matter - so i make a partition and decide i want to increase it...what do i do? because the partition is already made...do i need to reformat osx and reinstall boot camp to recreate another windows partition? that sounds HIGHLY inefficient if that would be my only option.

also, yes i have a sony theater system.

 

[HLdan]

- you reply was a little confusing. maybe because i am exhausted and work at the hospital is a bit slow. but, the information on the disc isn't always going to be the latest. driver updates are some of the best ways to squeeze out performance and stability especially in terms of gaming.

- still my question on can i increase the partition allocated for windows being able to increase without the need to reformat hasn't been answered.

- so that mini dp wouldn't work for me. is there ANY solution to where i can utilize my macbook to connect with video AND sound to my hdtv?

Apple gives driver updates for the GPU and other needed drivers in their Software Update Control Panel.

You cannot increase the bootcamp partition for Windows once it's set. You would have to delete the partition and reinstall Windows so it's best to create a partition that is more than you think you'll need.

There are 3rd party mini display port to HDMI adaptors which you can easily find on the web.

Anything else?????

 

[RiCEADDiCTBOY]

Apple gives driver updates for the GPU and other needed drivers in their Software Update Control Panel.

You cannot increase the bootcamp partition for Windows once it's set. You would have to delete the partition and reinstall Windows so it's best to create a partition that is more than you think you'll need.

There are 3rd party mini display port to HDMI adaptors which you can easily find on the web.

Anything else?????

yes, dp to hdmi doesn't support sound. solution?

 

[bahamallama]

The 2 biggest reasons I switched to a mac even though it was costly was:

1. The build quality is better than anything I saw with Windows and I was using Sony laptops similarly priced.

2. The user experience. With a mac the computer is almost transparent, you don't really have to do anything but what you want, with windows there's constant virus definition upgrades and scans and the like. When I get home I can just sit at my macbook pro and do whatever I have to, from graphics, Web design, programming, and videos. On Windows I would have to wait for virus scans and the like. The mac just plan works and lets you do what you have to, what price can you put on that?

A few notes, Windows 7 is nice but it's not released yet and by the time they finish "fixing" everything and the pc vendors fill it up with crap and take 20 gigs of you hard drive for "recovery" it will still lag behind the ease of use of a mac. It is however a large step in the right direction but they can never do away with the inherent drawbacks of windows, they do not control both the hardware and software so there will always be strange configuration issues and the pc vendors will not load crapware but there own programs to read memory cards and the like.

A note on blu-ray, who cares? I bought a blu gay player back in November and have viewed one blu-ray movie on it. I'm not about to pay extra to netflix for them, or spend another 30 bucks for a movie I already own or that I can't watch in the car. Blu-ray is yet another Sony failure, the prices of the players is too high, the disks are too high and the lack of overall industry support will kill it. The best thing they've done is on a few limited titles include both the blu-ray and standard versions so I can buy it for home and the car for 25 rather than 45. Downloadable video is the future. I don't about quality as much as the ease of getting 20k titles instantly from netflix.

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[RiCEADDiCTBOY]

2. The user experience. With a mac the computer is almost transparent, you don't really have to do anything but what you want, with windows there's constant virus definition upgrades and scans and the like. When I get home I can just sit at my macbook pro and do whatever I have to, from graphics, Web design, programming, and videos. On Windows I would have to wait for virus scans and the like. The mac just plan works and lets you do what you have to, what price can you put on that?

I'm sorry, but your post made my blood boil while reading it. How does updating anything interfere with your day to day taskings? Programs like AVG take so little of your system resources that you can multitask with no problems. I ran AVG just yesterday and had multiple windows open while watching Super Troopers on my laptop. How can you not just go home and go on your laptop and do graphic designing, watch movies and etc as well? Knowing your software increases your producitvity. I'm going to stop before I end up being rude...

A few notes, Windows 7 is nice but it's not released yet and by the time they finish "fixing" everything and the pc vendors fill it up with crap and take 20 gigs of you hard drive for "recovery" it will still lag behind the ease of use of a mac. It is however a large step in the right direction but they can never do away with the inherent drawbacks of windows, they do not control both the hardware and software so there will always be strange configuration issues and the pc vendors will not load crapware but there own programs to read memory cards and the like.

How is vendors installing bloatware an inherent drawback of Windows. That isn't a direct problem with Windows itself. What is taking an hour and a half to reinstall Windows after purchasing the laptop? It's not like its the end of the world. Go walk your dog if you have one, go take a nap, or prepare a meal for your family - tada its finished. The world didn't end.

A note on blu-ray, who cares? I bought a blu gay player back in November and have viewed one blu-ray movie on it. I'm not about to pay extra to netflix for them, or spend another 30 bucks for a movie I already own or that I can't watch in the car. Blu-ray is yet another Sony failure, the prices of the players is too high, the disks are too high and the lack of overall industry support will kill it. The best thing they've done is on a few limited titles include both the blu-ray and standard versions so I can buy it for home and the car for 25 rather than 45. Downloadable video is the future. I don't about quality as much as the ease of getting 20k titles instantly from netflix.

Blu-ray isn't a faliure - in fact it is outpacing the adoption rate vs DVD when it was introduced. You CAN watch the movies as most now offer digital copies with newer Blu-Ray movies - so transfer it to your iPod / iPhone and enjoy anywhere you go.

 

[polaris20]

All of the HPs I've had in the last 3 years have gotten 3-3.5 hours of battery life. Which is the same real world battery life as the MacBook and MacBook Pro, seeing as how you have to have the screen set to 50% brightness on the Mac to get it to be usable.

You're exaggerating heavily. Out of the hundreds of HP business laptops I've worked on, NONE have ever gotten that kind of battery life. How many you owned? 2?

Thats why it took 2 replacements after 8 trips out for repair for me to finally get a problem free Mac.

Personal anecdote != fact

I've had none. And I'm playing 10 year old games like the original Unreal!

Tracktion, Vegas Video and Reason are three examples of apps that ran on XP that needed paid upgrades to run on Vista. There are many more. Again, you're avoiding reality if you think that all XP software is compatible with Vista.

Those are two year old benchmarks from when Vista was first released. Check out the benchmarks from 6 months after launch, as well as SP1 release. You'll see Vista is equal to XP in gaming performance.

But you don't like benchmarks. Or is it you only like them when they support your skewed vision of reality? If you like benchmarks, you'd see that Vista, even SP1, gets floored by XP, 7, and Ubuntu quite handily.

No, you'll just talk to someone in the United States with a very thick Spanish accent that is just as difficult to understand.

I've never had a problem understanding someone that is in the US speaking English at Apple. I think you're making stuff up again.

Let's see here. Windows notebook PCs ship with HDMI and VGA. HDMI can be converted to DVI with a $2 adapter. So on a Mac, you need a $15 adapter (MDP to HDMI), and then another $30 adapter (MDP to DVI) and yet another $30 adapter (MDP to VGA) to get all of the same connectivity included with a PC. Yeah that makes sense. Oh, and every respectable display made in the last 3 or so years has included HDMI.

There you go, broad generalization again. Not all laptops ship with HDMI, particularly business models. And not all decent displays from the last 3 years have HDMI, you're making stuff up again. Your precious HP still made tons of high line monitors without HDMI as of just a few months ago.

On Newegg.com right now, out of 216, 40 have HDMI, 7 have 2, and 169 have none. So I guess only 47 out of 216 are "decent"? haha sure.

USB card readers are slower than built-in card readers. Plus they eat up the already extremely limited number of USB ports on a Mac.

That's what the Express card slot is for. Besides, that's your opinion vs. mine; it is most definitely not fact.

Then theres something else wrong with your system. Nvidia offers mobile Quadro drivers on their website for Windows 7 and they DO work.

No, they don't. The system works fine with XP, Ubuntu, Red Hat, Debian. Just not 7RC. Just proving that 7 isn't perfect for everyone, and you can't just update everything magically and have it work, like you keep telling yourself.

Nearly all built-in fingerprint readers on notebook PCs are made and sold by AuthenTec. Thats what I've had in every HP, and thats the one I have now that works fine under Windows 7. So you're either being dishonest or you have a different manufacturer.

But even if it's a different manufacturer, shouldn't it automagically update like you say? Oops, it doesn't. Wrong again, Mosx. And also 2 laptops don't mean everything will work on every model laptop from every manufacturer. Not very scientific of you.

Theres a big difference between an entertainment TV show and reporting news.

Clearly that went over your head.

Just like Apple's executive support calling you and yelling at you

Proof? It's never happened to me or anyone I know. Sorry, you're making that up.

Thats funny because every benchmark from the last year and a half has proven otherwise.

Proof?

iWeb is nothing more than a paid version of free tools that are available for Windows. It's nothing special and every site looks the same.

Yup, that's what we like to call an opinion. Say it with me: "Opinion".

Good job making me laugh I'll take the opinion of actual contracted recording artists that say that M-Audio's app is better than Garageband by a long shot.

Proof? Who are your famous friends? Show me one professional audio forum that says how awesome that app is, because it's absolute crap bundled with a horrible interface.

We've gone over this before. I've already proven that the apps included with digital video cameras are FULL versions. And, again, that $50 TV tuner I bought 5 years ago came with full version video and DVD editing software that is still more advanced than iMovie or iDVD.

Did you read what I said? 4 camcorders. No full versions. All crap. You're grabbing at straws now. How many camcorders have you purchased to be able to say all digital video cameras come with full versions?

Mine have always worked every single time. Works perfect on the first swipe.

Yeah, let's fight personal anecdotes with personal anecdotes. that always gets the argument far.

The increase in quality blu-ray offers can be seen on any non-SD display. That is a fact. Blu-ray downsampled to the roughly 1 million pixel display of the MacBook will look better than DVD's 345,600 pixel display that is upscaled by over 2 times.

You missed the part where I don't care. I have a huge TV to enjoy movies on. I don't sit huddled on a couch with a laptop to watch movies.

Vista hasn't had any driver issues since about 1 month after release. The "Vista driver issue" is even more overblown than Apple claiming its easy for someone to get a virus.

One month, huh?

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9060998

http://www.informationweek.com/blog...l;jsessionid=T1IRGQF2M43D2QSNDLRSKH0CJUNN2JVN

http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-central/angry-vista-users-vent-over-sp1-driver-issues-457

As for virus problems, did you hear of Conficker? Several million PC's infected? Do you have television and the internet where you're at?

Not really. Look at the "Preview" app in OS X. If I want to preview a picture I double click the picture. But guess what? In OS X I can only look at that one picture. In Windows I can look at EVERY picture from just that one. I can hit left and right and go through the entire folder. In OS X I'd have to click on each individual one to preview it.

Is your Coverflow broken? And you don't have to doubleclick on a pic and open Preview to preview it. Highlight it, press space bar. wow, difficult. Press it again, it goes away.

I've yet to see anyone provide a real argument against me. Especially you.

That's hysterical, considering you never offer any proof outside of 4 laptops and your imaginary famous music industry friends.

Second, I've had OS X crash on everything from clicking on links in Safari to emptying the trash of pictures to trying to burn discs.

Another personal anecote of an angry customer. Never ever seen this happen in real life.

And you never answered my question earlier:

First of all, Mosx: what was it you said you did for a living? I forgot what you said in the past. Not specific company, just a field or title. I just want to know what professional experience you have with the operating systems you refer to.

Because really your opinions still mean nothing without any background to back it up, and without any proof. I disagree with AidenShaw quite frequently, but I respect his opinion because clearly he knows what he's talking about.

 

[aristobrat]

sorry for my ignorance on the matter - so i make a partition and decide i want to increase it...what do i do? because the partition is already made...do i need to reformat osx and reinstall boot camp to recreate another windows partition? that sounds HIGHLY inefficient if that would be my only option.

Disk Utility on OS X will allow you to non-destructively resize some partition types. However, even if you extend the partition that you installed Windows, Windows does not natively allow you to grow the size of your Windows system disk. You'd have to use a third-party tool like gparted (which boots to Linux and allows you to monkey with what Windows won't let you itself).

I'm sorry, but your post made my blood boil while reading it. How does updating anything interfere with your day to day taskings? Programs like AVG take so little of your system resources that you can multitask with no problems. I ran AVG just yesterday and had multiple windows open while watching Super Troopers on my laptop. How can you not just go home and go on your laptop and do graphic designing, watch movies and etc as well? Knowing your software increases your producitvity. I'm going to stop before I end up being rude...

Not everyone runs a Windows machine as fast as yours. There are a lot out there are do slow down when virus scans run (or update). Personally I'm surprised that most of the friends/family/coworker machines that are brought to me to fix are still running <=512MB of RAM. Then again, these aren't the type of people that spend time on forums talking about computers, either. These people will continue to use these computers until they stop booting.

How is vendors installing bloatware an inherent drawback of Windows. That isn't a direct problem with Windows itself. What is taking an hour and a half to reinstall Windows after purchasing the laptop? It's not like its the end of the world. Go walk your dog if you have one, go take a nap, or prepare a meal for your family - tada its finished. The world didn't end.

How do you reinstall Windows without the bloatware when most systems come with "restore partitions" (i.e. you don't even get a flipping CD or DVD to restore from) that ghosts it back to factory settings, which includes the bloatware?

 

[holden15]

(To me) Apple's hardware is just as good as their software. Every computer they make is absolutely amazing, has a ton of features (way more than most PC's) and are way more beautiful.

I have a unibody MacBook and it has way more features than any PC i've seen. It has things like a built in iSight camera, Multi-Touch trackpad, illuminated keyboard, LED backlit display. And for performance is has a 2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, super fast NVIDIA graphics, 2GB of fast 1GHz DDR3 memory, 160GB hard drive - what more could you want!

And Mac OS X is much, much better than any other OS. I think everybody can agree with me on that!

http://www.apple.com/macbook

 

[CPD_1]

wait, you have to pay for upgrades within the current os? i thought he was suggesting that you pay for an actual os upgrade like leopard to snow leopard...how can anyone view that as a positive thing????

You don't pay for updates within the current release of OS X. For example, Leopard is 10.5. Snow Leopard will be 10.6. Think of the 10 in that number as the X in OS X. So, Leopard is the fifth iteration of OS X.

Now, I'm currently on 10.5.7. I didn't have to pay to upgrade from 10.5.6 to 10.5.7. I did have to pay to go from 10.4 to 10.5.

I don't know if that makes it any clearer or not.

 

[Eidorian]

It has things like a built in iSight camera, Multi-Touch trackpad, illuminated keyboard, LED backlit display. And for performance is has a 2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor, super fast NVIDIA graphics, 2GB of fast 1GHz DDR3 memory, 160GB hard drive - what more could you want!

Bad example.

 

[aristobrat]

Bad example.

You'll always be able to find a better spec'd computer than what Apple sells.

Whether or not a system with the "best specs" always translate into a noticeable, better experience for the things that average users do is highly debatable, IMO.

 

[dsnort]

I ran AVG just yesterday and had multiple windows open while watching Super Troopers on my laptop....

Wow, did you think admitting that you watched "Super Troopers" on purpose was going to boost your credibility?

What is taking an hour and a half to reinstall Windows after purchasing the laptop? It's not like its the end of the world. Go walk your dog if you have one, go take a nap, or prepare a meal for your family - tada its finished. The world didn't end.

It's nowhere near as good as NOT taking an hour and a half to re-install the OS.

Blu-ray isn't a faliure - in fact it is outpacing the adoption rate vs DVD when it was introduced. You CAN watch the movies as most now offer digital copies with newer Blu-Ray movies - so transfer it to your iPod / iPhone and enjoy anywhere you go.

Depends on what you're talking about. Uptake of BluRay players is outpacing DVD adoption, but uptake of BluRay content is lagging waaaaaay behind. Last stat I heard was that BluRay content adoption was about 10% that of DVD content on a per player basis at the same point in the lifecycle. (BluRay averaging 3 titles per player vs 30 for DVD). Adoption of BluRay players stat is skewed by PS3 sales, which count as a BluRay player sale, even though most PS3 owners never use the BluRay player in the PS3.

 

[likemyorbs]

I dont have much to contribute to the old mac vs pc argument. all i can say is i've used windows, and i've used mac. and in my opinion, the mac is far superior to the pc in every possible way. and i feel no need to justify my opinion because as far as im concerned it's true, and it comes from experience. furthermore, everyone who i've switched to mac never looked back. im not a mac lover for no reason, im a mac lover because i've actually used windows.

 

[Unprocessed1]

im not a mac lover for no reason, im a mac lover because i've actually used windows.

So true. I actually enjoy Vista though...when running it bootcamp only.

 

[RiCEADDiCTBOY]

Not everyone runs a Windows machine as fast as yours. There are a lot out there are do slow down when virus scans run (or update). Personally I'm surprised that most of the friends/family/coworker machines that are brought to me to fix are still running <=512MB of RAM. Then again, these aren't the type of people that spend time on forums talking about computers, either. These people will continue to use these computers until they stop booting.

I hope I wasn't being rude but, if users are utilizing something beyond the capacity of what their notebook can provide is not the machines fault but the user. Utilize your resources - which case in point myself am doing.

 

[Eidorian]

It's nowhere near as good as NOT taking an hour and a half to re-install the OS.

You don't reinstall OS X after getting your Mac?

You'll always be able to find a better spec'd computer than what Apple sells.

Whether or not a system with the "best specs" always translate into a noticeable, better experience for the things that average users do is highly debatable, IMO.

Chicken, egg, etc.

 

[likemyorbs]

So true. I actually enjoy Vista though...when running it bootcamp only.

I also enjoy toying around with windows on parallels, but as a main OS?? helllll no

 

[RiCEADDiCTBOY]

Depends on what you're talking about. Uptake of BluRay players is outpacing DVD adoption, but uptake of BluRay content is lagging waaaaaay behind. Last stat I heard was that BluRay content adoption was about 10% that of DVD content on a per player basis at the same point in the lifecycle. (BluRay averaging 3 titles per player vs 30 for DVD). Adoption of BluRay players stat is skewed by PS3 sales, which count as a BluRay player sale, even though most PS3 owners never use the BluRay player in the PS3.

The PS2 had the same affect on pushing DVD...and look at DVD now.

I dont have much to contribute to the old mac vs pc argument. all i can say is i've used windows, and i've used mac. and in my opinion, the mac is far superior to the pc in every possible way. and i feel no need to justify my opinion because as far as im concerned it's true, and it comes from experience. furthermore, everyone who i've switched to mac never looked back. im not a mac lover for no reason, im a mac lover because i've actually used windows.

You cannot validate opinion as truth.

Recently my buddy Billy bought a unibody MBP and the way he described OSX and his mbp was "it's neat. i enjoy it don't get me wrong but, i appreciate windows. i do wish i got the macbook over the mbp though - mb offers close enough power to where its not even worth the extra dough. plus lugging the mbp around is a chore. i'd prefer a 13' right about now. should have bought the new asus."

Not everyone automatically falls in love with an os but, can still appreciate nonetheless.

 

[Chappers]

Besides, even Vista Basic still looks better than the depressing grey of OS X.

That's your opinion - something you frequently complain about from others - but seems fine from you......

And Apple's customer support, again, is no better than the rest. I've never had any company other than Apple have an "executive" customer relations person call me up and accuse me of trying to scam the company out of a refund when all I wanted was my system repaired and I had made that very clear in my emails, phone calls, and voice mails.

Three (yes 3) independent pieces of research have proved you wrong on this matter but still the FUD comes. And suddenly you mention how rude Apple is - funny you never mentioned that before - I smell something here.

And what do you mean you won't need to? Downloaded movies from iTunes and Amazon and Netflix can't even begin to compare to blu-ray quality.

I think you're right about the quality issue but I don't want to drag around a bunch of discs around with my laptop. Do you think that sales of downloads will eventually outsell discs because its easier. Just curious.

Those are two year old benchmarks from when Vista was first released. Check out the benchmarks from 6 months after launch, as well as SP1 release. You'll see Vista is equal to XP in gaming performance.

OK - here you are - http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1390&page=2 - I'm sure you'll not like the site or the PC that was used or something - but that was after service packs. I've shown you mine - show me yours

Just like when Ken Bell called me and told me I was trying to scam Apple out of a refund when I had told him in numerous voice mails and emails that all I wanted was a repair.

I feel an escalation coming ( I can smell it)

Thats after getting yelled at by "Executive Customer Support" mind you.

Yep there it is

Let's see here. Windows notebook PCs ship with HDMI and VGA.

I must tell my brother-in-law - he can't find his HDMI on his HP - it's only a year old.

Just like Apple's executive support calling you and yelling at you

Its getting bigger

Thats funny because every benchmark from the last year and a half has proven otherwise.

Sorry I missed those - any chance of you quoting them?

iWeb is nothing more than a paid version of free tools that are available for Windows. It's nothing special and every site looks the same.

Not all of them http://www.skittlers.co.uk/skittlers-Liquor-and-Poker/Home.html just because people lack imagination doesn't mean the tool is not capable of good results.

Good job making me laugh I'll take the opinion of actual contracted recording artists that say that M-Audio's app is better than Garageband by a long shot.

Who are these actual bands? (plus actual quotes please).

They also shipped with some nonsense board game trialware.

Which game - I missed that
Maybe it was over here (funny you never came back) https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/690995/ maybe it was because J&JPolangin (post number 38) pointed out that your PC recommendation of the week had people complaining about laptops arriving DOA, their rubbish build quality and terrible battery life.

 

[Mhmm]

Riceaddict, why are you buying a macbook? If you're as uncertain as you seem to be from your posts, don't buy it. I am planning on buying one myself, but I have thoroughly informed myself of all the limitations the OS / hardware impose as opposed to my current OS's Vista and XP. Don't buy it if it does not fit the activities you intend of using the equipment for; you're advocating a lot for bluray, and Macs don't come with it, if it's going to be a problem for you, go ahead and buy a PC or else you'll end up in the exact same position mosx seems to be.

Also, I've bought two Vaio within the last few years, and none of them came with a Windows install disk. I had to manually go through and remove the bloatware that would have expired within 30 days anyways.

Also, maintaining your PC fast and clean is a VERY easy task for a 'power user' (like us), but note that the average user barely knows what defragmentation is. If you see it from this point of view, the Mac is much more user-friendly.

 

[RiCEADDiCTBOY]

- mod please delete this post. sorry.

 

[mosx]

Ha ha, WRONG. Go right in the pictures folder in Leopard and you can view every picture in Icon View all at once and you can zoom the sizes.

Not the same as or as good as Windows for the last 10 years, sorry.

Wanna browse through larger size photos? Set it in Cover Flow view and thumb through all you want.

Extremely slow and inefficient. Plus Coverflow is a gimmick. It's never been useful in iTunes, the iPhone, or in OS X.

Want to view large size photos individually? Select any one pic and hit the space bar and Quicklook will zoom the picture to full size. All these ways of viewing pictures have nothing to do with Preview or iPhoto.

Now why would I do that when I can just double click one picture in Windows and scroll through the entire folder full screen that way?

Get you're facts straight, Windows can't do this.

Yeah, Windows does it better

Are you sure? Or did you just make those numbers up on the spot?...but if you have a source, I'd love to see it!

Go to HP and Dell.com and look through the specs for their systems from the last few years. HP has specs for nearly every system sold in the last decade.

More me with "I" statements, I'm sorry, but one persons experiances aren't "evidence" for any agruement

My 3 MacBooks say that its a fact.

So much personal feelings in your posts! Lovely, but meanless to the debate

Care to explain how 16x10 is better than 16x9? 16x9 is the standard for video, gaming, etc. So don't go on about "personal feelings" when all PC manufacturers and PC display manufacturers are moving towards 16x9 and away from 16x10 completely.

Again personal feelings, please stop presenting it as fact

I have yet to see someone who isn't an Apple Apologist agree that OS X is prettier than Vista.

Source? Because its not like that today!(with Vista) But either way, Apple doesn't cripple its OSes, MS does. I like Apple's way, you can feel free to like MSes way

Apple doesn't cripple OSes? Tell that to the iBook owners who couldn't control their multi-display setups.

Let me know when OS X can run video as good as Windows too

If you want proof of Home Premium and Pro being the only units available to consumers, I suggest you read the news.

Personal story, pretty worthless on such a small scale

Of course you would say that. It's a perfect example of how bad Apple's customer support it.

The burden of proof is upon you!

No, its not. I have both Leopard and Vista. I've presented many arguments across many threads in this forum discussing why Leopard is limited compared to Windows. And all I get are canned responses like yours "prove it". Uh.. I have. It's the Apple Apologist that can't admit the truth.

You wouldn't just believe me, would you? No, you'd want proof, and we want proof that OS X does less then Windows

Like I said, let me know when OS X can play blu-ray movies, modern games, handle multiple displays right, stop wasting CPU cycles.. I can go on you know, but I'm giving you easy ones.

First off, the don't cost nearly 2x equally speced PCs, when you consider the form factors they take(so compare an all-in-one PC to iMac)

Form factors? Please, thats a weak argument. Even then Macs still lose by a huge margin. The Dell Studio XPS 13, for the same price as the entry unibody MacBook, has dual GPUs running in hybrid SLI, twice the RAM, a faster processor, double the HDD space, HDMI, etc.

Also, the form factor argument fails miserably for other reasons.

One being the fact that Apple does NOT give you a choice. If you're a "consumer" and you want a desktop, you have the Mac mini and iMac. Thats it. You have absolutely no choice in what type of system you can buy. So that argument is completely invalid.

Look at the iMac. The cheapest system with a dedicated GPU, and only 256MB mind you, is $1,799.

No right minded person is going to choose that system over a separate tower and screen. First of all, the iMac screen is terrible. It's a mirror. Second, for that price, you can build a system that would mop the floor with the Mac Pro and still have several hundred dollars left over.

The form factor argument fails with notebooks too. Why? Again, choice. Apple doesn't give you a choice of what you can buy. Its either the one thing or nothing at all.

Like I've said hundreds of times, people don't buy the 13.3" MacBook because of its form factor and size, they buy it because its the only Mac they can afford. Apple does not give you a choice at all.

RAM and HDD are easy upgrades(for me, so I'm ok with a PC/Mac that ships with less...if you aren't, thats fine, buy what you like).

Even if you use the failing form factor argument, you still lose. Like I said, the Dell Studio XPS, for the same price as the cheap unibody MacBook, has a faster processor, twice the RAM (DDR3 as well), dual GPUs, twice the HDD space, etc.

Go look at reviews on a large scale, consumer reports...Apple wins their consumer service often. This isn't all about one person

Again, as I've said many times before, Apple's customer service surveys aren't reliable. You have people on this form who have had their systems and components of their systems swapped out/repaired more than half a dozen times and they're still happy with Apple just because it is Apple and not a PC. Apple's customer service ratings are greatly skewed by brand loyalty. PC users have no brand loyalty. If something goes bad on their PC then they're done with that brand no matter what. Yet Apple could punch someone in the gut, kick them in the crotch when they're down, spit on them and laugh at them and that person would still be happy with Apple because its not a Windows PC.

Shocking as it may be, not everyone is looking for the same things you are. This is a time when your wants/needs might be different from others!

Thats why theres more people out there with blu-ray players than Apple TVs or Roku Netflix boxes Thats why blu-ray is being adopted faster than DVD was.

Starting to ship and standard aren't the same

Nice job cutting out the rest of my post where I talk about how HDMI has been shipping on PC GPUs and notebook PCs for years now, and became the standard years ago.

This is 2009, not 2003 like your post quoted. HDMI has been in PCs for over half a decade now. Time to admit the facts.

Wait, wait.....when someone suggested playing with Finder to fit your wants better, that was bad because it didn't ship like that, these extra worthless programs are fine? Double Standard?

Somebody who took my post out of context completely.

I was talking about monitors and built-in functionality, such as being able to properly set up multiple displays and change sleep settings. That sort of functionality is built into EVERY OS that is NOT Mac OS.

Again personal touch is nice, but consumer reports and other studies aren't backing you up, sorry

Consumer Reports? Oh you mean the publication that no intelligent person pays attention to?

What studies? The ones where Apple Apologists say they love Apple support?

Blanket statements with sources to back them up are fun! And easy!!

Do more reading around this forum and do some googling. You'll find all the proof you need to show that USB card readers are slower than built-in.

Really? Can you point me to software that works as well as iWeb with Apple's MobileMe...because thats what I'm looking for?(if you aren't, thats fine, but don't pretend iWeb alternatives are universally better for all)

MobileMe? No thanks. I don't need to throw away $100 a year on services that are superior elsewhere and free.

Two whole copies of popular software? Oh, no! Could you handle dragging them to the trash can? Certainly no PC has this issue on a much larger scale

Yeah I had to drag them to the trash can and then hunt down all the little plist files left behind in the other various Library folders.

The funny thing is my HPs have only shipped with two pieces of trialware. Norton, which has a complete uninstaller, and Office, which also has a complete uninstaller.

These personal storys are just great! And meaningless for the debate!

Do some googling.

Personal stories stay great! And meaningless for the debate!

Again, do some googling. You'll find thousands with the same experience as me.

This is simply not true, you just are using OS X/Preview incorrectly(if goal through lots of pictures is your goal). Preview is an app where you open the file. To just see the file, click it once, and press the space bar. Then you can move left and right as you please.

Then the file is small and not full screen. In Windows I can just double click the file, it opens in Windows preview app, and I can go through the entire folder IN FULL SCREEN. Wow!

Well here it is...point by point, calling you out on worthless personal stories and pointing out when you missed features of OS X

Actually, all you've done is given me more of the same canned responses as all of the other people. All you do is say "personal experience" despite the fact that hundreds of links on google will back up everything I say.

More with the "me, me, me", enough already!

Again, go google. You'll find that, outside of dedicated Apple fan communities, OS X is quite crash prone.

So blanket statement(Mac run hotter then PCs) followed by one personal example? Wow...thats great, but only proves that one example, nothing else

You should follow the links I've posted in other threads. I personally like this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv38uGj0PhY

But your stating the Bluetooth isn't useful, and multitouch is a gimmick, yet you state the fingerprint readers aren't? C'mon man. Those things are hardly reliable and passwords are far more secure; obvious propaganda.

Fingerprint readers aren't at all about security. They're completely about convenience. Want to log into the OS? Swipe your finger. Log into MacRumors? Swipe your finger. They do store your passwords in encrypted files, so you don't have to worry about that. Like I said, they're about convenience.

Bluetooth, like I said, is unreliable on the Mac. And aside from using a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, what is it good for? Even the iPhone doesn't use Bluetooth file transfers or anything other than using it for a headset.

The touchpad is good for.. what? Flipping photos. Thats about it. I don't use Safari because its too slow and incompatible. Pinching to zoom in and out isn't as fast as just clicking to zoom in and out.

so i can't install the latest driver updates for the 9400m on the windows partition? see there is too much conflicted posts about it runs as its own and others seem to post that it is a diluted experience... can someone please clarify what i can and can't do?

Yes you can install the nvidia driver for the GPU in Windows. First you'll need to uninstall ONLY the display driver, then install the new one.

has anyone used something like this with a unibody macbook and how is the sound quality? does it even output sound?

The built-in speakers are junk compared to PC notebooks, but the headphone out is okay.

yes, dp to hdmi doesn't support sound. solution?

There is none. You have to use a mini-TOSLink to TOSLink adapter if you want digital audio out. Which means an optical cable plus adapter. You can also use a stereo "Y" adapter that is mini-jack to RCA.

Blu-ray is yet another Sony failure, the prices of the players is too high, the disks are too high and the lack of overall industry support will kill it.

Lack of industry support? Are you kidding? Blu-ray has the same support now as DVD did at the same point in its life.

Right now, blu-ray players cost the same as DVD players did when DVD was 2.5-3 years old. Same for the blu-ray discs.

On top of that, blu-ray has TWICE the marketshare now as DVD did when it was the same age.

Overall, blu-ray is being adopted at twice the rate DVD was. It took DVD more than 6 years to gain that magic 51% marketshare. After 2.5-3 years it had 4%. Again, same point for blu-ray right now and it has 8%.

Downloadable video is the future. I don't about quality as much as the ease of getting 20k titles instantly from netflix.

Downloadable video is definitely NOT the future. Not with bandwidth caps becoming regular all over the world, as well as the DRM problems that come with digital distribution.

Let's look at iTunes. If I buy an HD movie on iTunes I can only watch it on an Apple TV, which I don't own, or on my MacBook. If I want to watch it on a bigger screen I need the right adapters and cables or else HDCP kicks in and I can't watch it. I also can't transfer it to disc to watch on another player.

Out of the hundreds of HP business laptops I've worked on, NONE have ever gotten that kind of battery life. How many you owned? 2?

I'll take my own experience plus the experience of thousands over at notebookreview over your word.

Personal anecdote != fact

Again, google. You'll find plenty of people complaining about ken bell as well.

Tracktion, Vegas Video and Reason are three examples of apps that ran on XP that needed paid upgrades to run on Vista. There are many more. Again, you're avoiding reality if you think that all XP software is compatible with Vista.

And how many pieces of software needed paid upgrades to run on OS X coming from OS 9?

But you don't like benchmarks. Or is it you only like them when they support your skewed vision of reality? If you like benchmarks, you'd see that Vista, even SP1, gets floored by XP, 7, and Ubuntu quite handily.

And what benchmarks would those be? More by ZDNet where they don't even list system specs?

There you go, broad generalization again. Not all laptops ship with HDMI, particularly business models. And not all decent displays from the last 3 years have HDMI, you're making stuff up again. Your precious HP still made tons of high line monitors without HDMI as of just a few months ago.

Nobody buys HP monitors

Show me some laptops that don't have HDMI please. Nearly all Dell and HP models ship with HDMI, or at least have it as an option.

And yes, ALL decent displays in the last 3 years have had HDMI. If you had one without HDMI, then you bought a piece of junk. Simple.

 

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On Newegg.com right now, out of 216, 40 have HDMI, 7 have 2, and 169 have none. So I guess only 47 out of 216 are "decent"? haha sure.

And yes, if a display doesn't have HDMI, it is junk. HDMI is a standard and is used by most products these days and gives you the most connectivity. Quite frankly, anything that is NOT 16x9 with HDCP certified HDMI is not worth buying.

Did you even look at the monitors that don't have HDMI? Most of them are sub-$100 pieces of junk, a lot of them aren't even widescreen, too many of them are glossy, and even more of them have a rated brightness lower than the MacBook screen. It's pretty easy to say those are junk.

That's what the Express card slot is for. Besides, that's your opinion vs. mine; it is most definitely not fact.

And you don't even get full size ExpressCard on a MacBook Pro!

No, they don't. The system works fine with XP, Ubuntu, Red Hat, Debian. Just not 7RC. Just proving that 7 isn't perfect for everyone, and you can't just update everything magically and have it work, like you keep telling yourself.

I'll take nvidia's word over yours any day. http://www.nvidia.com/object/quadro_fx_notebook_win7_x64_185.85_whql.html look at that. A WHQL certified Quadro FX driver. WQHL means its been certified by Microsoft to work on Windows 7.

But even if it's a different manufacturer, shouldn't it automagically update like you say? Oops, it doesn't.

Well, my above statement already proved you haven't tried Windows 7. So we know you haven't here either.

Proof? It's never happened to me or anyone I know. Sorry, you're making that up.

Oh yeah? Thats why I received a call from Apple's actual campus in Cupertino from a woman I won't name who is actually in charge of executive customer relations and answers only to Steve Jobs?

Do a search for Ken Bell and Apple. You'll find I'm not the only one who has had problems with him.

Proof?

Posted links in many other threads.

http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2302499,00.asp I like this one in particular

Proof? Who are your famous friends? Show me one professional audio forum that says how awesome that app is, because it's absolute crap bundled with a horrible interface.

Funny how you say it has a horrible interface when Garageband's interface is EXACTLY like every other audio recording and mixing app that is not "pro" level.

I'm still waiting for those musicians that are making money off of Garageband you know.

Did you read what I said? 4 camcorders. No full versions. All crap. You're grabbing at straws now. How many camcorders have you purchased to be able to say all digital video cameras come with full versions?

Yeah, you bought those just like you used Windows 7. You're being dishonest here the same way you've repeatedly been dishonest in the past.

One month, huh?

http://www.computerworld.com/action/...icleId=9060998

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/...RSKH0CJUNN2JVN

http://www.infoworld.com/d/security-...ver-issues-457

Did you even read your own links? Did you? Because they basically turn the argument against you. The second link there is just an opinion piece. The first link is some guy having problems with his several year old and completely outdated Sigmatel chipset. The third link is just the media jumping on the opportunity to bash Vista. Microsoft made it well known that it would NOT push through SP1 to people running drivers that were not WHQL certified. You could, however, still download SP1 and install it on your own.

As for virus problems, did you hear of Conficker? Several million PC's infected?

People had to infect themselves with it or have systems that were several years outdated as far as updates go.

Is your Coverflow broken? And you don't have to doubleclick on a pic and open Preview to preview it. Highlight it, press space bar. wow, difficult. Press it again, it goes away.

Why would I use Coverflow? It's slow, bloated, and just generally isn't useful.

Why would I use Quickview when it's really too small to see anything useful? The Windows preview app is full screen by default and let's me zoom in and out with my scroll wheel and go through entire folders without eating up several hundred MB of RAM like Coverflow does.

Three (yes 3) independent pieces of research have proved you wrong on this matter but still the FUD comes. And suddenly you mention how rude Apple is - funny you never mentioned that before - I smell something here.

Actually, I did mention that before. I did in my posts discussing the problems I was having at that point in time. You have a have a habit of stalking me so I'm surprised you missed those posts. Or are you selectively remembering things as you have before?

Oh, and we discussed the customer satisfaction thing before. Like I said, you have people here who have been dragged through the mud by Apple yet they're still satisfied with Apple just because its Apple. Apple's numbers are heavily skewed in its favor because of an overly loyal fan base.

I think you're right about the quality issue but I don't want to drag around a bunch of discs around with my laptop. Do you think that sales of downloads will eventually outsell discs because its easier. Just curious.

Thats what disc carriers are for. Most notebook bags I've seen and have owned have had space for at least a dozen discs. And with blu-ray you don't need to worry about scratching.

Downloads might eventually overtake physical media for movies. But that is a LONG way off. Why? A number of reasons. DRM is a huge issue. People don't want to be locked to one device. I can't tell you how many people I know have been interested in iTunes movie downloads only to instantly be turned off the moment they find out they can't burn it to a DVD and watch it on their DVD player. The average person almost always replies with "I can burn music I download from iTunes, why not video?" Another reason is bandwidth capping. Charter and Comcast already have bandwidth caps. Time Warner backed off, but AT&T hasn't stopped their testing of capped service either. Other countries have had capped service either always or for years now.

And of course, theres the quality issue. An iTunes "HD" purchase costs as much as a blu-ray disc but is only half the resolution, sometimes 1/10th the video bitrate, and has sub-DVD quality audio (Dolby Digital at a lower bitrate than the DVD Dolby Digital track).

OK - here you are - http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1390&page=2 - I'm sure you'll not like the site or the PC that was used or something - but that was after service packs. I've shown you mine - show me yours

Two problems with yours. One, Vista SP1 drivers weren't finalized by then. Two, they're using FRAPs which adversely affects performance all around. You're also quoting ZDNet which, really, people who are knowledgeable about hardware wouldn't trust as far as they could throw the building they're housed in.

Heres proper benchmarks for a website that is run by people who actually know what they're doing and talking about: http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2302500,00.asp as you can see, Vista SP1 is equal to XP SP3.

I must tell my brother-in-law - he can't find his HDMI on his HP - it's only a year old.

Must have made the mistake of buying one with an Intel GPU. All of the nvidia and ATI/AMD based HP's of the last several years have HDMI. Mines a little over a year old and, guess what, it has HDMI.

Not all of them http://www.skittlers.co.uk/skittlers...oker/Home.html just because people lack imagination doesn't mean the tool is not capable of good results.

I wouldn't call adding your own code into the WYSIWYG editor "good results". I did things like that back in the 90s with Frontpage Express.

Who are these actual bands? (plus actual quotes please).

As soon as you post that list of bands using Garageband to make money. I've been waiting for that list now for what? 6 months?

Maybe it was over here (funny you never came back) https://forums.macrumors.com/showthre...=690995&page=2 maybe it was because J&JPolangin (post number 38) pointed out that your PC recommendation of the week had people complaining about laptops arriving DOA, their rubbish build quality and terrible battery life

Thank you for reminding me about that. I forgot all about that post.

And as I said before, when someone mentioned that about bad build quality. It's funny someone would say Asus has bad build quality, when (up until the MacBooks), Asus was a primary builder of Apple systems.

But now I need to go over there and put Polaris in his place again.

Oh and it looks like my last post in that thread was deleted. It's a good thing I've made a habit of saving my posts now.