iPhone 12 I don't want to go back to fingerprint scanners again...

[ApplePro1000]

You would definitely benefit more from TouchID than FaceID.

Like to be honest. Face ID is the best apart from wearing a mask but the recent iOS 14.5 and watchOS 7.4, you can unlock your iPhone without passcode which means that Apple won't need to remove Touch ID, instead you have to pay an extra $200 just to get a Face ID alternative 😂

 

[I7guy]

No Face ID is not more “ Secure” (that’s BS) face ID can be tricked there are many examples online of it being fooled. […]

There are “some” unverified examples online. But there are verified examples of Touch ID being “fooled”. Horses for courses as the saying goes.

 

[I7guy]

This. I don't know who invented Face ID, but it certainly wasn't for security. Face ID was made so anyone will be able to quickly unlock your iPhone, without having to use your finger or ask for your passcode/password. That's it. Even if no one has access to your driver's license etc. imagine when you're asleep, and someone takes your iPhone and unlocks it by holding it in front of your face. It's unlocked. And while you're sleeping, that person now has access to your device without your consent. Therefore, compared to Face ID, even a simple 1-digit passcode/password would make it harder or at least require more effort and time to unlock your iPhone.

Imagine your sleeping or worse and done takes your finger to unlock with Touch ID. One could say Touch ID wasn’t made for security either. As far as attention awareness, turning on that option makes it more difficult to get into your phone. Touch ID has no such option.

 

[ecatomb]

For security, FaceID is better than TouchID.
But I'd like a iPhone SE with same size of iPhone 12 pro and camera.

Wearing a mask is one of the reason that make want TouchID instead of the other but would be scared by using it... So have to use FaceID... It's safer

 

[Tozovac]

Or no actions for face id and one action for touch id based on what is being done on the phone. So it all balances out. Additionally taking "more actions" for innovations often save time in the long run for getting a task done, because there are additional options.

I have nothing against having FaceID as an option; I just want TouchID. I find it much quicker and more flexible/convenient.

I’m sure there are ways of using touchID in day to day use that are faster or as fast as TouchID.

I (and maybe many others) frequently use TouchID when my ipad or phone is away on the table and facing up or not at me. And I don’t want to take the time to orient it towards me.

I take back what I said about needing 2 steps to use FaceID with an iPhone. Unless you have a butler following you around holding your phone, it’s not zero steps. In fact you often need 3 steps to enable FaceID on an iPhone, for instance.

1) grab it with your hand
2) orient it so the camera faces you and ensure or move it to in the portrait orientation (2 steps sometimes but call it 1)
3) swipe up

With my iPad or iPhone with touchID:

1) grab it with your hand and just like you provide pressure to the sides or back of the phone, rest your finger on the button, usually my thumb. No need to orient it to face you, etc.

Imagine your sleeping or worse and done takes your finger to unlock with Touch ID. One could say Touch ID wasn’t made for security either. As far as attention awareness, turning on that option makes it more difficult to get into your phone. Touch ID has no such option.

Someone touching something to my finger is a lot more sensitive (and at risk of waking someone ) than is pointing a phone to my face quietly, (assuming they’ve not taken the extra action to turn on attention awareness).

 

[bushman4]

Touch ID would be an alternative way to log in when you’re wearing a mask or when your iPhone is laying flat on your desk
It’s a useful feature underscreen or in the power button.
Android has had both for a while what is Apple waiting for

 

[Tsepz]

FaceID is so much better than TouchID.

Maybe it's because I've always had TouchID and only recently bought an iPhone 12 mini, but FaceID kicks TouchID's butt.

I love just looking at my phone to unlock it. It's like magic. With touch ID, I would have to place my finger on a certain area of the screen where as with FaceID, I just need to LOOK at the screen and it's ready to go.

In fact, FaceID is so fast for me, I just pick up my phone and swipe up without even thinking about it. That seems way more convenient than picking up my phone, placing my thumb in a certain spot and waiting for it to unlock, then swiping up. Even if it's VERY FAST, you can't simply raise the phone and swipe up immediately as you would have to be still for a second or so, then swipe up.

If Apple is planning on going back to TouchID, I'm going to be very sad. FaceID is high-tech futuristic stuff and I've only had it fail a few times since I got my iPhone 12 mini. Meanwhile, when I had TouchID, it would fail if my hands were too sweaty or wet, or if there was too many fingerprints on the button and I had to constantly keep it clean and even then, it would fail to recognize my finger sometimes.

Everytime I pick up my iPhone 12 mini, I feel like I'm living in the future. It amazes me every single time still. Especially how the notifications just pop open when my eyes lock onto the phone. It's the one thing Apple has that ACTUALLY feels like magic.

If they DO end up putting a fingerprint scanner back into the iPhone, I hope they keep FaceID as an option and the fingerprint scanner as a secondary option. Another fingerprint scanner would be going backwards in my opinion.

I will always advocate for choice so I absolutely agree if they bring back TouchID keep FaceID around to. I doubt Apple will drop FaceID, they invested a lot into it and seem to be adamant on it being their primary form of biometric over and above TouchID.

I would be so happy if they kept FaceID and then included TouchID on the Power button as the under screen biometrics still seem to be quite inconsistent and not as safe as TouchID, from what I have read, but someone please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[janeauburn]

Touch ID for me.

I really think that what sells iphones today is 90 percent marketing, 10 percent technological improvements.

Most people pick up their new phones and continue doing exactly the same things they did with their previous phones--and nothing more. New phones over the past 5 or 6 years have, in short, represented mostly an unnecessary and indeed grotesque waste of people's money. When I hear that someone in, say, Peru can live on $125 per month, I think I'd rather send my $1,500 down there and give someone a year off.

 

[Momof2.1107]

Like to be honest. Face ID is the best apart from wearing a mask but the recent iOS 14.5 and watchOS 7.4, you can unlock your iPhone without passcode which means that Apple won't need to remove Touch ID, instead you have to pay an extra $200 just to get a Face ID alternative

I use my Apple Watch S4 which is still on 6.2.8 to unlock my iPhone which is on 14.1. This is possible because my iPhone is jailbroken.

 

[childu]

FaceID is so much better than TouchID.

Maybe it's because I've always had TouchID and only recently bought an iPhone 12 mini, but FaceID kicks TouchID's butt.

I love just looking at my phone to unlock it. It's like magic. With touch ID, I would have to place my finger on a certain area of the screen where as with FaceID, I just need to LOOK at the screen and it's ready to go.

In fact, FaceID is so fast for me, I just pick up my phone and swipe up without even thinking about it. That seems way more convenient than picking up my phone, placing my thumb in a certain spot and waiting for it to unlock, then swiping up. Even if it's VERY FAST, you can't simply raise the phone and swipe up immediately as you would have to be still for a second or so, then swipe up.

If Apple is planning on going back to TouchID, I'm going to be very sad. FaceID is high-tech futuristic stuff and I've only had it fail a few times since I got my iPhone 12 mini. Meanwhile, when I had TouchID, it would fail if my hands were too sweaty or wet, or if there was too many fingerprints on the button and I had to constantly keep it clean and even then, it would fail to recognize my finger sometimes.

Everytime I pick up my iPhone 12 mini, I feel like I'm living in the future. It amazes me every single time still. Especially how the notifications just pop open when my eyes lock onto the phone. It's the one thing Apple has that ACTUALLY feels like magic.

If they DO end up putting a fingerprint scanner back into the iPhone, I hope they keep FaceID as an option and the fingerprint scanner as a secondary option. Another fingerprint scanner would be going backwards in my opinion.

Not only I want it back but I think they will need to go back to it to create an iPhone without any notch. It’s easy to put under the screen, works like magic.
Switched from 8 to SE second gen, tried some Face ID iPhones but couldn’t use them as primary phone.

 

[lambertjohn]

FaceID is so much better than TouchID.

Maybe it's because I've always had TouchID and only recently bought an iPhone 12 mini, but FaceID kicks TouchID's butt.

I love just looking at my phone to unlock it. It's like magic. With touch ID, I would have to place my finger on a certain area of the screen where as with FaceID, I just need to LOOK at the screen and it's ready to go.

In fact, FaceID is so fast for me, I just pick up my phone and swipe up without even thinking about it. That seems way more convenient than picking up my phone, placing my thumb in a certain spot and waiting for it to unlock, then swiping up. Even if it's VERY FAST, you can't simply raise the phone and swipe up immediately as you would have to be still for a second or so, then swipe up.

If Apple is planning on going back to TouchID, I'm going to be very sad. FaceID is high-tech futuristic stuff and I've only had it fail a few times since I got my iPhone 12 mini. Meanwhile, when I had TouchID, it would fail if my hands were too sweaty or wet, or if there was too many fingerprints on the button and I had to constantly keep it clean and even then, it would fail to recognize my finger sometimes.

Everytime I pick up my iPhone 12 mini, I feel like I'm living in the future. It amazes me every single time still. Especially how the notifications just pop open when my eyes lock onto the phone. It's the one thing Apple has that ACTUALLY feels like magic.

If they DO end up putting a fingerprint scanner back into the iPhone, I hope they keep FaceID as an option and the fingerprint scanner as a secondary option. Another fingerprint scanner would be going backwards in my opinion.

I don't agree. I love the fingerprint method of authentication. So much easier to use. Hope Apple goes back to it and dumps Face ID.

 

[Jonathantuba]

The only problem I see with FaceID is that it only works with the phone oriented in portrait mode.

I do not understand why that is the case with the iPhone, as if Face ID works in any orientation on the iPad, then why can it not on the iPhone? I find it very annoying when I am using apps in landscape, or particularly if my phone is mounted on gimbal or tripod in landscape to take photos

 

[Saladin12]

So we'd all like more choice then, eh?

 

[cupcakes2000]

Face ID on iPhone is fine, while on iPad is a nightmare

That not even slightly true, it works better as the screen can be at any angle. There are issues if you try to hold it to close to you face though.

Go back? I never left, and I'm not planning on leaving any time soon. Face ID isn't the problem, the lack of a home button is. The UI is just so much smoother with that button than with the stupid slide up silliness.

I'd have hated Face ID a lot more if I'd been forced to deal with it with a mask on. Touch ID even works through neoprene gloves. What a disaster.

So you don’t use it, yet you hate it. The lack of a home button is literally a non issue once you start to use a device without one.

Considering you need one action for Touch ID and 2 for Face ID, Touch ID is still more efficient to many of us.

Too many of Apple’s new feature “innovations” often take more actions to inact, so there’s some new pain that offsets any new again.

Are you really counting looking at the phone as an action?

This. I don't know who invented Face ID, but it certainly wasn't for security. Face ID was made so anyone will be able to quickly unlock your iPhone, without having to use your finger or ask for your passcode/password. That's it. Even if no one has access to your driver's license etc. imagine when you're asleep, and someone takes your iPhone and unlocks it by holding it in front of your face. It's unlocked. And while you're sleeping, that person now has access to your device without your consent. Therefore, compared to Face ID, even a simple 1-digit passcode/password would make it harder or at least require more effort and time to unlock your iPhone.

It’s easier to have someone unlock your phone with Touch ID whilst sleeping than with Face ID. You need to have your eyes open.

 

[cupcakes2000]

No Face ID is not more “ Secure” (that’s BS) face ID can be tricked there are many examples online of it being fooled. Face ID defeats the whole purpose of having a “Secret password” with Face ID everyone has (or knows) what your password is IT’S YOUR FACE and there is a copy of it on your drivers license, your yearbook photo, social media postings, Family photos etc. Using your face as your password is DUMB, there’s nothing more secure than a LONG strong alpha numeric password undergirded by a fingerprint
I’m a bit surprised that so many have drank the “Face ID kool-Aid.

I more surprised about how many here are so anti Apple that they remove fact from statements in order to prove their ‘point’. Whilst it’s certainly true that there is little more secure than a long alphanumerical password, it matters not one little bit whether there are pictures of you face anywhere. You cannot unlock Face ID with a photograph. You cannot create an accurate 3D model of anyones face from a photograph, least of all a driver’s license or yearbook photo. There are not ‘many examples’ online of Face ID being tricked.

 

[cupcakes2000]

Someone touching something to my finger is a lot more sensitive (and at risk of waking someone ) than is pointing a phone to my face quietly, (assuming they’ve not taken the extra action to turn on attention awareness).

It’s on by default. The extra action would be turning it off.

 

[seggy]

Oh gosh that is a brutal example! 😧

ehehehe

 

[lostom]

Go back? I never left, and I'm not planning on leaving any time soon. Face ID isn't the problem, the lack of a home button is. The UI is just so much smoother with that button than with the stupid slide up silliness.

I'd have hated Face ID a lot more if I'd been forced to deal with it with a mask on. Touch ID even works through neoprene gloves. What a disaster.

I'm still rocking an iPhone 6, simply because of Touch ID (will be updating this cycle) , I have a 12.9" iPad Pro and do like Face ID.
The best is, in our household we have 3 android phones which have face and touch, I'd love Apple to implement both.

Sidenote: all our Androids have the touchpad on the back of back the phone, I love that, it's so simple and easy to use.

If Apple could/would do face and touch with the touchpad on the back ( like Huawei Pro's), it would be the ultimate in my opinion, best of both worlds.

 

[lostom]

I would like to unlock my phone by spitting on it.

Not easy, through a mask.

 

[I7guy]

I have nothing against having FaceID as an option; I just want TouchID. I find it much quicker and more flexible/convenient.

I’m sure there are ways of using touchID in day to day use that are faster or as fast as TouchID.

I (and maybe many others) frequently use TouchID when my ipad or phone is away on the table and facing up or not at me. And I don’t want to take the time to orient it towards me.

I take back what I said about needing 2 steps to use FaceID with an iPhone. Unless you have a butler following you around holding your phone, it’s not zero steps. In fact you often need 3 steps to enable FaceID on an iPhone, for instance.

1) grab it with your hand
2) orient it so the camera faces you and ensure or move it to in the portrait orientation (2 steps sometimes but call it 1)
3) swipe up

With my iPad or iPhone with touchID:

1) grab it with your hand and just like you provide pressure to the sides or back of the phone, rest your finger on the button, usually my thumb. No need to orient it to face you, etc.

Since this seems to be about taking a use case and making it the only use case, it's is not indicative of the totality of the use cases.

My phone has notification previews disabled for security. When I'm working at my desk and alert comes in and I look at the phone to see the alert preview. No hands involved. If I need to interact or follow-up I will then pick up the phone. This happens frequently throught the day. Any "extra steps" needed to login is totally negated because I do not have to touch the phone.

Someone touching something to my finger is a lot more sensitive (and at risk of waking someone ) than is pointing a phone to my face quietly, (assuming they’ve not taken the extra action to turn on attention awareness).

Lots of presumptions here. Including that a person will or will not awaken if their finger is touched or if someone is standing over their bed with a phone trying to authenticate with their face and if the finger and/or face is oriented in such a way as to be able to allow the actor to do such a thing.

For me bottom line, you're entitled to you opinion and such vote with your dollars thusly, but the above is plain nonsense.

 

[ian87w]

No Face ID is not more “ Secure” (that’s BS) face ID can be tricked there are many examples online of it being fooled. Face ID defeats the whole purpose of having a “Secret password” with Face ID everyone has (or knows) what your password is IT’S YOUR FACE and there is a copy of it on your drivers license, your yearbook photo, social media postings, Family photos etc. Using your face as your password is DUMB, there’s nothing more secure than a LONG strong alpha numeric password undergirded by a fingerprint
I’m a bit surprised that so many have drank the “Face ID kool-Aid.

I believe you’re confusing FaceID with the insecure 2D face recognition on Android. You might want to review the iPhone X keynote.

 

[collin_]

No Face ID is not more “ Secure” (that’s BS) face ID can be tricked there are many examples online of it being fooled. Face ID defeats the whole purpose of having a “Secret password” with Face ID everyone has (or knows) what your password is IT’S YOUR FACE and there is a copy of it on your drivers license, your yearbook photo, social media postings, Family photos etc. Using your face as your password is DUMB, there’s nothing more secure than a LONG strong alpha numeric password undergirded by a fingerprint
I’m a bit surprised that so many have drank the “Face ID kool-Aid.

People cannot simply use your license, yearbook photo, social media postings, family photos, or any other picture to get into your phone using FaceID. You cannot break into FaceID using a 2D image. A very high-quality 3D mold of someone’s face is needed, which takes a lot of resources. Forging a fingerprint is much easier than creating such a mold, which, again, is something that has been demonstrated by security researchers.

A password does not have to be alphanumeric to be secure. I highly recommend taking a look at this article. Diceware passwords have the advantage of being able to be extremely secure while also highly memorable and easy to type.

 

[MisterSavage]

I love the concept of Face ID and I can tell how it would be much faster for many users. I can, however, think of a situation where Touch ID would more beneficial:
I have been almost blind since birth. I can only see partially from one eye. Whenever I use any device, I either bring my face close to the screen, or bring the device close very to my face (1 - 3 inches).
Because Face ID is designed to work from a normal “working” distance and needs a complete 3D scan (unless used with an Apple Watch), Face ID can never get a complete scan of my face because I need to hold the phone so close, and I don’t know what a “normal” distance is that would give Face ID all the data it needs and so I often have to guess—so it takes longer.

This is an interesting use case and I'm wondering if they could add an accessibility setting to help you. Perhaps make a beep that stops when you're holding the phone a correct distance away from your face. Have you submitted feedback to Apple about this?

Imagine your sleeping or worse and done takes your finger to unlock with Touch ID. One could say Touch ID wasn’t made for security either. As far as attention awareness, turning on that option makes it more difficult to get into your phone. Touch ID has no such option.

I remember reading about a parent who discovered their kid was doing this! He was using sleeping dad's thumb to unlock the phone.

I do not understand why that is the case with the iPhone, as if Face ID works in any orientation on the iPad, then why can it not on the iPhone? I find it very annoying when I am using apps in landscape, or particularly if my phone is mounted on gimbal or tripod in landscape to take photos

I'm thinking space is probably an issue. Compared to the iPhone the iPad has a huge amount of space to add/modify the hardware to accommodate landscape Face ID.

 

[telo123]

Ever since they gave us the ability to unlock phones with the watch with a mask on, I stopped caring about TouchID.

However, I do not wish for Apple to choose one or the other. Having both would be ideal and you can just use whichever one is fastest to unlock or if one fails.

 

[telo123]

No Face ID is not more “ Secure” (that’s BS) face ID can be tricked there are many examples online of it being fooled. Face ID defeats the whole purpose of having a “Secret password” with Face ID everyone has (or knows) what your password is IT’S YOUR FACE and there is a copy of it on your drivers license, your yearbook photo, social media postings, Family photos etc. Using your face as your password is DUMB, there’s nothing more secure than a LONG strong alpha numeric password undergirded by a fingerprint
I’m a bit surprised that so many have drank the “Face ID kool-Aid.

You clearly don’t know how it works then. It needs a 3D representation of your face or some twin to unlock your phone. There’s a reason why there’s an IR blaster that allows faceID to be used even in the dark.

To make a 3D model of your face that is very similar to your actual face takes time and effort. Only those who are truly dedicated in stealing your phone would do this. And by the time you realize your phone has been stolen, I would hope some sense in locking/erasing your phone via Find My.