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trip1ex

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Or a feature that has been proven to be a life saver for people who have used it.
YOu're dealing in lottery ticket type situations. Yet acting otherwise.

How many watches has Apple sold? I think they sell roughly 40mn per year.

When you sell those numbers it's pretty easy to find an emergency or two where someone can claim that without the Watch I would have been ...
 

The-Real-Deal82

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YOu're dealing in lottery ticket type situations. Yet acting otherwise.

How many watches has Apple sold? I think they sell roughly 40mn per year.

When you sell those numbers it's pretty easy to find an emergency or two where you can claim that without the Watch I would have been ...
So would you apply this same logic to a smartphone? We didn't have them when I was a teenager but everybody has them now and not everybody needs to call the emergency services. 'Lottery ticket type situations' eh?
lottery ticket situations at best.

And over reliance on this stuff probably has caused deaths as well.
An over reliance on smartphones has caused plenty of deaths too, using them behind the wheel while driving or people walking out in front of vehicles while distracted on their commute etc.
 

trip1ex

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So would you apply this same logic to a smartphone? We didn't have them when I was a teenager but everybody has them now and not everybody needs to call the emergency services. 'Lottery ticket type situations' eh?

An over reliance on smartphones has caused plenty of deaths too, using them behind the wheel while driving or people walking out in front of vehicles while distracted on their commute etc.

Yep for the most part but given you're carrying a phone already...it only makes the Watch more of a lottery type ticket situation in terms of saving lives.

And think of airpods...I would bet if you could wave a wand and magically make airpods disappear you would save lives. And then I could play the examples in a commercial. And it's all because of the scale those sold at every year... some 80mn or so.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Yep for the most part but given you're carrying a phone already...it only makes the Watch more of a lottery type ticket situation in terms of saving lives.

And think of airpods...I would bet if you could wave a wand and magically make airpods disappear you would save lives. And then I could play the examples in a commercial.
That is only because less people wear smartwatches at this point. They are being worn by more and more people and if ever they become the norm like a smartphone, it'll just be a standard everyday feature.

I've worn a watch since I was 6 and could tell the time, so a smartwatch is just a different version of a watch for me. The fact it has some useful features is a bonus. You are more likely to be closer to your watch than you are a phone, especially in a car crash for example. Not trying to tell you to use one, I couldn't give a toss either way, just highlighting a point.
 
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trip1ex

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That is only because less people wear smartwatches at this point. They are being worn by more and more people and if ever they become the norm like a smartphone, it'll just be a standard everyday feature.

I've worn a watch since I was 6 and could tell the time, so a smartwatch is just a different version of a watch for me. The fact it has some useful features is a bonus. You are more likely to be closer to your watch than you are a phone, especially in a car crash for example. Not trying to tell you to use one, I couldn't give a toss either way, just highlighting a point.
YOu're missing the pt. I'm sure you'll be using the crash detection any day now.
 
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Webcat86

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YOu're missing the pt. I'm sure you'll be using the crash detection any day now.
Honestly it does feel like you're just making these comments for a reaction or to argue.

I mean, what is your broader point here? That you don't want a watch and don't think its benefits are sufficient? Ok, that's fine. Or are you trying to say that they don't offer any benefits to anyone except for a few fringe people but purely because Apple has sold so many that statistically it became inevitable? Because if that's your point, it's clearly wrong.

Look at the rates of obesity, and heart disease. Granted, watches can't predict or protect against all heart disease at this point in time. But they can encourage, incentivise, and gamify weight loss and improving cardio fitness. They can also detect irregular heartbeats before they become problems. These are genuinely life-saving developments that affect far more than just a few people, and they are by no means insignificant, lottery, or strawman arguments. After all, 100% of wearers have a heart, and a very significant percentage of them will experience some sort of heart issue in their lives.

And that's just heart. Many more people suffer from collapsing, fainting etc — even narcoleptic people can benefit from this.

And then there's blood oxygen. I know of more than one person who went to hospital during the covid pandemic because their AW said their blood oxygen was low.

All of these examples are real and significant on their own. When you combine them to see the fuller picture of how AW can help people, it's even more obvious that they can play an important role and it's, respectfully, either ignorant or obtuse to reduce them to "lottery"
 

trip1ex

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Honestly it does feel like you're just making these comments for a reaction or to argue.

I mean, what is your broader point here? That you don't want a watch and don't think its benefits are sufficient? Ok, that's fine. Or are you trying to say that they don't offer any benefits to anyone except for a few fringe people but purely because Apple has sold so many that statistically it became inevitable? Because if that's your point, it's clearly wrong.

Look at the rates of obesity, and heart disease. Granted, watches can't predict or protect against all heart disease at this point in time. But they can encourage, incentivise, and gamify weight loss and improving cardio fitness. They can also detect irregular heartbeats before they become problems. These are genuinely life-saving developments that affect far more than just a few people, and they are by no means insignificant, lottery, or strawman arguments. After all, 100% of wearers have a heart, and a very significant percentage of them will experience some sort of heart issue in their lives.

And that's just heart. Many more people suffer from collapsing, fainting etc — even narcoleptic people can benefit from this.

And then there's blood oxygen. I know of more than one person who went to hospital during the covid pandemic because their AW said their blood oxygen was low.

All of these examples are real and significant on their own. When you combine them to see the fuller picture of how AW can help people, it's even more obvious that they can play an important role and it's, respectfully, either ignorant or obtuse to reduce them to "lottery"
nonsense. the point is the health benefits are being overvalued by some by a country mile.

Meanwhile the same folks are very likely engaging in 'riskier' behavior than not wearing a Watch. ;)
 
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Webcat86

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nonsense. the point is your'e overvaluing the health benefits by a country mile.

while very likely engaging in other 'riskier' behavior than not wearing a Watch. ;)
Ehh, hard to think you're not just trolling now, especially as nobody has said it's "risky" to not wear one, just that it provides benefits.

Who is better to listen to about how accurately valued the benefits of something are — the people with experience, or the sideline critic who refuses to try it? I'll give you a hint: it's not the latter.
 

trip1ex

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Ehh, hard to think you're not just trolling now, especially as nobody has said it's "risky" to not wear one, just that it provides benefits.

Who is better to listen to about how accurately valued the benefits of something are — the people with experience, or the sideline critic who refuses to try it? I'll give you a hint: it's not the latter.
YOu don't understand the scale and odds involved. Thus you think it's trolling. YOu also don't understand how risky and beneficial are related. STay in school.
 
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jz0309

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YOu don't understand the scale and odds involved. Thus you think it's trolling. YOu also don't understand how risky and beneficial are related. STay in school.
Your arguments don’t make any sense at all, it’s like saying seat belt and/or airbags are like the lottery …
But, you’re entitled to your opinion and that’s all there is to it
 

Andres Cantu

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I had a Series 0, 1, 4, and 7. Just giving up on my 7 now. It’s too tough to keep up with the watch updates and didn’t really use them to their fullest potential. And the stainless steel models get bad resell values.

iPhones I can at least lease every year with carrier.
 

trip1ex

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Your arguments don’t make any sense at all, it’s like saying seat belt and/or airbags are like the lottery …
But, you’re entitled to your opinion and that’s all there is to it
seat belts/airbags are in a different ball park in terms of effectiveness at scale.

it's ok that what I say doesn't make sense to you. you probably didn't read very carefully. I'm also not spending a ton of time writing what you read. And I know some things I tell my kids do not make much sense to them. Some things I say may take them 10-20 years to understand. And one kid might understand years before another kid did. So it goes.
 

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Meanwhile the same folks are very likely engaging in 'riskier' behavior than not wearing a Watch. ;)
what risky behavior would people be more likely to engage in from wearing a watch? Smartphones and headphones, I understand -- they cause people to not pay as much attention to their surroundings, and thus more likely to cause accidents. But I never thought wearing watches could lead to more dangerous behavior.

seat belts/airbags are in a different ball park in terms of effectiveness at scale.
Not sure about how often Apple watch warns people of possible heart problems, but with crash detection, well, Apple watch enhances the protection provided by seat belts/airbags by calling emergency services for you when a crash happens. So if you think having seat belts/airbags is prudent even if most people never get into the kind of accidents where they actually become necessary, then the watch's crash detection is also useful at that same rate.

That said, personally, I wouldn't get an Apple watch just for its emergency features. I got it for its activity tracking features and its integration into Apple's ecosystem. The emergency and health warning features are nice extras to have.
 

Tdude96

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That said, personally, I wouldn't get an Apple watch just for its emergency features. I got it for its activity tracking features and its integration into Apple's ecosystem. The emergency and health warning features are nice extras to have.
I wouldn't either, but it wouldn't necessarily be a bad idea. "Rare" events happen to someone every day. Fall detection is a personal example, I'm not one who'd consider myself at risk of needing it, but I took a fall at night one winter in freezing weather, hit my head hard against pavement and came to with the fall detection shrieking at me. If that fall had been much harder, I probably would be a "my watch helped save my life" statistic, because the chances of someone randomly coming across me in a reasonable timeframe would have been miraculously slim.
 

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How can you feel free since something that never happened?
Straps on the wrist limit bloodflow. I feel like I have mini-claustrophobia on my hand each time I try to wear watches😂 Also sorta scary to wear wifi and bluetooth device this close to my body, yeah yeah yeah you can call me a tinfoil hat but I still don’t wanna do that. For same reason – still don’t have any bt headphones from Apple. Had one JBL model tho which still works but I don’t use it, got it for free as a promotional gift
 

mtbdudex

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Decided to part ways with my Apple Watch Ultra 2. From owning the original 9 years ago and wearing one on my wrist up until now, I felt it was time to try and see just what it feels like to rid myself of it.
I purchased a Omega as my new wearable.
Sold the Apple Watch on eBay.
Now, I feel comfortably free and, for some reason, clear headed.

Give it a try.

Need more content on “you”, your age, what life stage your in, your personality profile ( have you done https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/the-16-mbti-personality-types/ ).


FWIW, I used to Mtb race 1996-2001, I used the tech of the time ; altimeter watch plus polar watch with heart rate strap. Used to track every ride / race from 1996-1999. Objective data Time, length, HR, with subjective feeling - body condition , etc.
By track, I used excel , typed data in, plotted it to visualize it, etc.

Then I cut the data cord after taking 3rd place at NORBA nationals … and ride for fun / fitness but not competitive since.
33cd6f46c6724aab305b436e43a21460.plist




Fast forward to my using Apple Watch .. it’s a companion to my data info now. Both gathering and viewing.
 
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GlenK

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No one’s life is dependent on any device till an emergency hits and you need help in ways not imagined. AW was that help for people who were stuck in storms, fell and used AW for help. Or healthy guys who suddenly got notified by AW about a possible heart issue. Great if you never depend on anything for your health.
Exactly!! That's the main reason I got one. My wife died and it's just my dog and me. I have heart issues and if I had a heart attack in the middle of the night he'd be in big trouble. Set it so if my HR goes below 40 or above 160 it wakes me and if no response it automatically calls 911.

Just the peace of mind has been such a relief. I'm 72 now and retired when I was 55 at which time I took my watch off and swore I'd never wear another one!! Well time and old age changes ones perspective more quickly than I expected.
 
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